Why some are Blinded to the Word

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So the bottom line is that He's trying to protect you,as many,although Christian don't understand the truth and if you did you can't handle it,so in other words He's protecting you from yourself....
Who is protecting whom?

The point of deception is looking for the Antichrist. We should be looking for Christ. We should be repenting our wickedness which may just be plain old self righteousness, who knows. Satan has been sifting us like Job, and we think we know things, and honestly we know nothing. Most of what we think is true, is a lie. We have left the simple truth of the Gospel, for book after book, after book of doctrine, theology, how to live, to the point where not even salvation is clear any more.
 

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The answer is in Thessalonians

It was for their own good,as a quote from a movie comes to mind"You can't handle the truth"

Now what did I mean by that quote?

Only Christians can be deceived,as the rest of the world already are.

The biggest deception to EVER hit mankind is when satan pretends to be Christ.That's when Christians will die spiritually ,as they will go from a virgin to a whore for believing the lie.
And before you say,I can't be(deceived)it is God that will send it to ya

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

The above verse is the deception

The "Son of perdition" is Satan Remember, the temple of God is on mount Zion, and "on the side of the North". This person sitting there is sitting in God's seat, pretending to be God: "Showing himself that he is God."

Do you know what Jesus said about this very thing. Jesus called it in Matthew 24:15, the very same thing that Daniel called it in Daniel 9:27; "the Abomination of desolation". A more correct translation in the "James Moffatt translation Bible" is called "The abomination by the desolator".

"Satan claiming to be God" is the abomination, and "he" [Satan] is the desolator, for the entire world will believe him; except for God's elect, and all those who have the seal of God in their minds [foreheads]. The sealed of God have their gospel armor on, and they are ready to face Satan and his system in the spiritual warfare.

II Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness [deceit] of unrighteousness in [for] them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,"

God is writing this letter to us personally, and we are responsible for understanding it. We are accountable to God to give answer for our actions. It is you and I, individually, that will stand before God and give our personal answer for the personal handling of His Word. There will be no preacher, friend or family member with you on that judgment day, for they will all be explaining and accounting for their own words and actions. If your pastor is one of the false shepherds, and led many saints astray, his ignorance won't help him or you

Now to my OP

II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion [send them a working of error], that they should a lie;"

If you want to believe a lie, God will allow it; in fact he will help you into the system of deceptions Satan will bring on the earth. Do you really think God will come here and personally show you, and talk to you when you refuse to believe His Word, when He gave it in such detail through the prophets and His Son. If you desire to believe that your going to fly out of here, and refuse His word, He will so block your mind that you will not be capable of understanding truth. God will send the "strong delusion" over your mind. The strong delusion is an act of love given by God for your protection.

II Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned [judged] who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

This is the reason for the "strong delusion" of verse eleven; "That they might be damned", it would be more accurately translated "condemned". Condemned for not believing the truth in God's Word when given to them. They had the warning, but still followed Satan, and partook in his religious system.

"Pleasure in unrighteousness" is not referring to drunken brawls, or whore houses, but it is a continuation of the subject here at hand. That subject is "worshipping the Antichrist [Satan] as the true Christ." You will take pleasure in that damnable sin; that unrighteous act will be done in your total ignorance. It's easy to say "I'm saved", but saved from what? The subject here has changed from that of verse eight, to "being damned through deception." The traditions of men will change this subject, from "being deceived by Satan, and enjoying it" to petty activities of the day.

So the bottom line is that He's trying to protect you,as many,although Christian don't understand the truth and if you did you can't handle it,so in other words He's protecting you from yourself....
What you say about the Lord making people incapable of understanding the truth, is quite correct. It is evidenced in the Church's and here on the forums. When the scriptures that tell the truth are presented, there is no changing of anyone's mind, just continue believing in any number of the false teachings out there.
Why is this?
The only answer must be: because God wants it that way. When things really do start to happen; that will be our test of faith, 1 Peter 4:12, and people must stand firm in their faith thru whatever happens. Or lose out; big time!
 

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Who is protecting whom?

The point of deception is looking for the Antichrist. We should be looking for Christ. We should be repenting our wickedness which may just be plain old self righteousness, who knows. Satan has been sifting us like Job, and we think we know things, and honestly we know nothing. Most of what we think is true, is a lie. We have left the simple truth of the Gospel, for book after book, after book of doctrine, theology, how to live, to the point where not even salvation is clear any more.

You not getting what I'm saying,but of course we should be looking for Christ,however do you understand that satan comes first?
 

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You not getting what I'm saying,but of course we should be looking for Christ,however do you understand that satan comes first?
No! God comes first. That is the point. Why would I want to put Satan first?

Satan has always asked God to allow him to come first. God’s answer has always been NO! God's answer is still no.

If any one is attempting to prepare a way, any way, to put it in the hearts and minds of humanity that Satan comes first, that thought process is from Satan, alone.
 

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No! God comes first. That is the point. Why would I want to put Satan first?

Satan has always asked God to allow him to come first. God’s answer has always been NO! God's answer is still no.

If any one is attempting to prepare a way, any way, to put it in the hearts and minds of humanity that Satan comes first, that thought process is from Satan, alone.

Just gonna leave this here for ya

satan comes at 666

Christ comes at 777

Does not 6 come before 7?

If you are still alive when these events transpire you either gonna have the mark or the seal,and just to be clear,the mark will not condemn you as some will come out of the confusion.

Do you understand that if you are alive,satan will be the first supernatural being that we would have ever encountered in the history of mankind

Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

Satan will snap his fingers and lightning will come down from heaven. Satan will bring miracles, and supernatural wonders with him, and these wonders are given by God to perform the test the people of the world.

Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."

This is the whole object for the great tribulation. "DECEPTION"! Satan is going to make an image of this "one world system" [religious beast] and breath life into system. Their will be something symbolic created within the system that will cause the whole world to bow. This reminds me of the "image" created in Babylon's "one world government" under king Nebuchadnezzar, in Daniel 3. At that time there were only three that would not bow to the image.

All of the above happens before the return of Christ

Revelation 13:15 "And he had power [it was given unto him] to give life [breath] unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

Satan while sitting in his temple in Jerusalem is given the power to assign his authority to the new religious beast, the "one world system. He has been given the control of all the people on the earth, and he will require them to worship him as god. Satan [the Antichrist] will require their respect, and he will give protection to them and his system. So both the system, and the Antichrist will demand the respect and worship of all people.

This is in reference to the two witnesses that will be killed, for the trouble they caused to Satan, the people of the earth, and Satan's religious system.

The moment the political beast is healed, it becomes a religious order, and set of moral codes and controls. It will be a copy of Christ's kingdom that will follow, however, it is a complete deception, and cheap imitation.

You see going back to my OP ,if one follows satan knowingly ,there's no hope for them,that's why God blinds them so as they won't be judged in ignorance..

However they will still stand the chance of dying the 2nd death which is the death of the soul,as they, if still deceived at the return of Christ will not take part in the first resurrection
 
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Wanted to hear thoughts before I continued..

Hi n2,
I think the answer is simple: "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." 2 Corinthians 4:4 nite nite :)
 

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Hi n2,
I think the answer is simple: "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." 2 Corinthians 4:4 nite nite :)
@Nancy Simply, they need to become like Lydia in Acts 16, 'whose heart the Lord opened'.
 
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Just gonna leave this here for ya

satan comes at 666

Christ comes at 777

Does not 6 come before 7?
Well, in Revelation chapter 6 comes before chapter 13. If John witnessed Satan first, chapter 13 would have been chapter 6. It is not. 666 and 777 are just random numbers. John wrote Revelation in the order, he actually experienced it.

If you accept that 7 billion people are destined for hell, it is you choice. It is not mine. If Satan comes before Christ you are going to get 7 billion lost souls.

Does not sound right, thinking Satan being here is a great thing.
 

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Wanted to hear thoughts before I continued..

Their names are in the book of life, and God is their father. When confronted with the eternal word it pierces the vale and enlightens the heart. This moment of recognition is a sort of paradox, where the Truth isn't taught but it is recognized because it is already known. I think the word for that is insight.
 

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Well, in Revelation chapter 6 comes before chapter 13. If John witnessed Satan first, chapter 13 would have been chapter 6. It is not. 666 and 777 are just random numbers. John wrote Revelation in the order, he actually experienced it.

If you accept that 7 billion people are destined for hell, it is you choice. It is not mine. If Satan comes before Christ you are going to get 7 billion lost souls.

Does not sound right, thinking Satan being here is a great thing.

How can Christ destroy satan when He returns,if satan is not already here?


II Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit [breath] of his mouth, and shall destroy [bring to naught] with the brightness [manifestation] of his coming:"

"The wicked" is better translated, "wicked one": What comes out of the Lord's mouth? It is the Truth. That is also the Word that God put in the mouth of Paul in this writing. Satan shall then be destroyed after being cast out, and also after standing in the holy place. After this is the time of Jesus Christ coming and gathering of His saints. There is no "anytime doctrine" here. It is in the course of certain events, and God lets us know clearly the order of these events, and exactly what to expect. In Matthew 24:15 Jesus is saying exactly what Paul is saying, Satan will come first and reign before the gathering of the saints.

Then Christ will destroy Satan.

And where do you get satan being here is a great thing?
 
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Those who have not come out of confusion at the return of Christ are called the dead,ie spiritually dead to whom stand a chance to die the 2nd death
 

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What you say about the Lord making people incapable of understanding the truth
Thats not quiet true, that would make God equal to the devil. it is he who has blinded the hearts and minds of men. Jesus came to save the lost, not to deceive mankind. Bit like the guy in Wonder Woman, When He says, All I did was plant the seed, they quiet happily did the rest.
 

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Do you understand that if you are alive,satan will be the first supernatural being that we would have ever encountered in the history of mankind
Only to those who dont believe in the reality of Christ and God.

Psa_27:8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.

But so few willing.
 
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Thats not quiet true, that would make God equal to the devil. it is he who has blinded the hearts and minds of men. Jesus came to save the lost, not to deceive mankind. Bit like the guy in Wonder Woman, When He says, All I did was plant the seed, they quiet happily did the rest.

II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion [send them a working of error], that they should a lie;"
 
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How can Christ destroy satan when He returns,if satan is not already here?


II Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, Whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit [breath] of his mouth, and shall destroy [bring to naught] with the brightness [manifestation] of his coming:"

"The wicked" is better translated, "wicked one": What comes out of the Lord's mouth? It is the Truth. That is also the Word that God put in the mouth of Paul in this writing. Satan shall then be destroyed after being cast out, and also after standing in the holy place. After this is the time of Jesus Christ coming and gathering of His saints. There is no "anytime doctrine" here. It is in the course of certain events, and God lets us know clearly the order of these events, and exactly what to expect. In Matthew 24:15 Jesus is saying exactly what Paul is saying, Satan will come first and reign before the gathering of the saints.

Then Christ will destroy Satan.

And where do you get satan being here is a great thing?
Satan has already been on earth for 2500 years. 2 Thessalonians 2:7
7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way.

The deception is not spiritual. It is physical. It is western science, including evolution and a 14 billion year virtual universe. This is Satan's lie. Do you know many who accept this is a physical cube we exist in? Einstein figured it out, but no one would listen to him. It is called spacetime. It is the length, depth, height, and breadth of God’s love. Einstein said the 3 dimensions is reality bound together with time, which is breadth, a finite amount of time. The 3 dimensions form a cube, and time binds this cube into a whole. That is the reality that God created and made all things, including the angels to exist in, exactly how Genesis 1 declares it to be.

Only when the 6th seal is opened will the truth be revealed. We are in the 3rd seal. Read about the 4th seal, because that is next. Then the 5th and 6th seal will be opened together. That is Paul's rapture from Heaven's viewpoint. It is then that Satan will be revealed. During the next 3 years, will be another 3 year ministry, and Satan will watch again. Then in April of 2023 will be a week of 8 days just like the first time Jesus was on earth. That is when Satan is destroyed or given 3.5 years. If there is a Global revival and billions turn to Christ. Satan will not get any lost souls. But the church needs to repent and make straight paths. Only the Gospel is to be preached. No longer doctrine, theology, nor prosperity. It can be only sin and repentance.
 

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Thats not quiet true, that would make God equal to the devil. it is he who has blinded the hearts and minds of men. Jesus came to save the lost, not to deceive mankind. Bit like the guy in Wonder Woman, When He says, All I did was plant the seed, they quiet happily did the rest.
God has allowed Satan to be a deceiver. It is so we humans must make a choice; do good or evil.

There are also several instances of where God has imposed confusion and error onto those whose hearts were far from Him. Ezekiel 20:23=26, 2 Chronicles 18:19-24, 2 Thess 2:11-12
Also it seems that people ask for lies; Isaiah 30:8-10, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, and those who choose to believe false theories will be locked into them; Isaiah 29:9-12. This is quite evident with people who believe the 'rapture to heaven' theory. They can be very strong Bible believers, yet there is no verse that says God will take His people to heaven and no amount of scripture that proves it wrong, has any effect.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 ...the Gospel is veiled only for those on their way to destruction, their unbelieving minds are so blinded by the god of this passing age, that the Gospel cannot dawn upon them and bring them into the Light.
 

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It is so we humans must make a choice; do good or evil.
Still trying to blame God, it was satans choice God never forced Him, just as we have free will to choose, God doesnt make (force) any one do anything.
 

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Only to those who dont believe in the reality of Christ and God.

Psa_27:8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.

But so few willing.

No! a lot of people believe in Christ,but when the rubber meets the road they fall off,Peter denied Christ,how many times?
 
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Satan has already been on earth for 2500 years. 2 Thessalonians 2:7
7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way.

The deception is not spiritual. It is physical. It is western science, including evolution and a 14 billion year virtual universe. This is Satan's lie. Do you know many who accept this is a physical cube we exist in? Einstein figured it out, but no one would listen to him. It is called spacetime. It is the length, depth, height, and breadth of God’s love. Einstein said the 3 dimensions is reality bound together with time, which is breadth, a finite amount of time. The 3 dimensions form a cube, and time binds this cube into a whole. That is the reality that God created and made all things, including the angels to exist in, exactly how Genesis 1 declares it to be.

Only when the 6th seal is opened will the truth be revealed. We are in the 3rd seal. Read about the 4th seal, because that is next. Then the 5th and 6th seal will be opened together. That is Paul's rapture from Heaven's viewpoint. It is then that Satan will be revealed. During the next 3 years, will be another 3 year ministry, and Satan will watch again. Then in April of 2023 will be a week of 8 days just like the first time Jesus was on earth. That is when Satan is destroyed or given 3.5 years. If there is a Global revival and billions turn to Christ. Satan will not get any lost souls. But the church needs to repent and make straight paths. Only the Gospel is to be preached. No longer doctrine, theology, nor prosperity. It can be only sin and repentance.

satan is the ruler of this world with his evil spirit,however he' is not here defacto ,ie,you will see him live and in person.