Birth Control Of Any Type Takes Life? Christianity today faces its biggest threat yet, in God closing up the wombs of Christian Women. That is exactly what ALL forms of Birth Control effectively do. I am Pro-Lifer, but not a PC Pro-Lifer. I believe that life does not begin at birth, or at conception, but rather when circumstances create a propitious environment that allows for life to express itself in a new child. In God's eyes He, "knew us from the foundations of the earth." That is when life begins as far as God is concerned. The Bible says, "Woe must needs come into the world, but woe unto him who brings that woe." Yes, many sperm and eggs die and even conceived children die in the womb, and some die after birth, and all that is terrible, but woe unto the person who "causes" this loss of life that God has allowed. Thus thwarting the will of God by vetoing his decisions. If occasional problems seem to arise due to what is perceived of as too many children, too few children are a much greater danger, especially to the Christian world. Christians have been, for some time now, reproducing at about half of replacement rates and the figure is falling all the time. That is, it takes about 2.2 children average per woman under the best of circumstances for any human group to just replace themselves. At a rate of half of replacement, or 1.1, any human group becomes statistically extinct in less than 100 years. We are well into our last century on this earth if those figures hold up. In any case we are diminishing while our enemies are increasing.Now, we can pick around this subject all day, and argue back and forth as to when life begins, and as to the sinfulness, or not, of birth control, and as to exactly what the Bible says, and doesn't say, and we can parse the details of the statistics on demographics, but without doubt, when all is said and done, we have a staggering problem here, and I would like to hear what some of you think we should do about it. I have my own ideas which I have and will express in response to your response.
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Ya i basically agree, thats one of our examples of our corrupt medical system. The problem is though the doctors hand the pills out like candy.
I really don't see a problem with taking pills whatsoever. God provides what He will in His time... and Luke is a doctor. It's not like you are placing a pill over God and He understands that.
Taking effective pills is fine, but taking pills that are basically destroying life in the womb and prohibiting new life from forming.........i think god has a problem with that. Like i say no knock on good pills but harfull pills people should be aware of.Jordan;72795 said:
[quote name='Jordan;72798]How can you kill a life which it doesn't exist yet in the womb? Life starts at conception. And God will choose when and where to place His children in whosoever womb. You can't prohibit which doesn't exist. Even after one is born' date=' you still can't prohibit anything from forming except killing a life form after conception in any inhuman actions. (abortion for example) it's logical common sense and common sense is what God told us to use.[/QUOTE'] True you do have me there jordan, but just out of saftey percautions dont you think the doctors should run some sort of scan to see if life has formed or not. If life hasnt been formed thats one case but if it ineed has then thats another case because thats a concious decision to destroy and not permit life to form. My thoughts on abortion are the exact same reasoning some people that so that knowing that life has indeed formed should be locked up along with the doctors that allow such evil practice.
Founder takes this all over the internet if you read his post this has nothing to do with abortion ...which I think most christian agree is murder period ..Founder is calling birth control murder which is not a biblical doctrine. Not Preventing pregancy is what he is preaching about .... Now if we were to stop preventing pregany ...How much do you think the abortion rate would rise ??? What founder is purposing is his own thought .... Sense no form of birth control is 100% safe ... If Gods wants one to have a child they will rather one is taking a form of contreception or not ...So there is not only no basis for his idea in scripture it doesnt even make sense and in the real world would in fact raise the Abortion rate ...And the amount of unwanted children being in abusive homes or left in trash cans because they were not wanted .....
Agreed! It is like saying, "I don't want to marry and/or have sex" It is a type of "birth control" for Founder. It is completely unbiblical. BTW, may I ask who you are referring or talking to?Christina;72801 said:
With all due respect, Horse Pucky. Blaming God for OUR failings is the actual definition of taking the Lord's name in vain.Jordan;72795 said:
I would use your words in post #9 in response to this but don't want to get into trouble. Founder, are you saying that a sperm and/or an egg is a life. If you are, every time you have a wet dream you are a murderer. How foolish!Founder;72787][B][COLOR=Navy] [SIZE=5]Birth Control Of Any Type Takes Life?[/SIZE] Christianity today faces its biggest threat yet said:
[quote name='Founder;72804][QUOTE=Jordan;72795]I really don't see a problem with taking pills whatsoever. God provides what He will in His time... and Luke is a doctor. It's not like you are placing a pill over God and He understands that.[/QUOTE]With all due respect' date=' Horse Pucky. Blaming God for OUR failings is the actual definition of taking the Lord's name in vain.[/QUOTE']Obviously you are twisting my words on my post and I will never blame God for anybody's failure. The failure to understand this particular subject is YOU! Your failure and yours to blame, not God.
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Jordan;72808]Obviously you are twisting my words on my post and I will never blame God for anybody said:
Hi whiteknuckle great to see you hope alls well 
And now for your post above you are exactly right hit the nail on the head and founder used to use Onan as an example but he has been proven wrong so many times guess he gave it up (quote)Scripturaly, and scientificaly, it is not sin to use contraceptives.The only concession is the morning after pill. That to me, seems to be the earliest abortion. But, it's controversial, because, it could be momentarily, or days later when the egg is actually fertilized. (quote) I agree with this statement also
And now for your post above you are exactly right hit the nail on the head and founder used to use Onan as an example but he has been proven wrong so many times guess he gave it up (quote)Scripturaly, and scientificaly, it is not sin to use contraceptives.The only concession is the morning after pill. That to me, seems to be the earliest abortion. But, it's controversial, because, it could be momentarily, or days later when the egg is actually fertilized. (quote) I agree with this statement alsoEveryone seems to be correct here except for Founder. There are certain cultist groups like the Apostolic faith movement (Some segments of them) which think birth control is a sin. If God wants you off birth control to have a child, God is more that able to get that point across to you. Several years ago the Lord spoke to me and told me I was going to have a baby girl. Mind you, I trust God, and two years latter a Baby girl was born. She is 2 1/2 now. I don't really believe in a "Election" doctrine, but to think God's plans get messed up, and is in Heaven thinking "OOPS" I can't send that spirit in that body, I did not realize birth control was being used. My mistake. Is completely ridiculous ..................Jesus Is Lord......
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Thinking on this. Birth control can be a sin. Just like if "one only eat's vegitables" or "one esteems one day over another" The person that wont eat meat doesn't sin. But, to him it's sin to eat meat. So, nothing wrong witht hat. The person that observes a Sabbath, to him not observing is sin. Nothing wrong with that. The person who doesn't eat food sacrificed to idols, to him it's sin to eat it. Nothing wrong with that. Now, the person who doesn't use birth control,, to him it's sin to use it. Nothing wrong with that. What so ever you do do so for the glory of God! That's one thing we have to be careful of. Just because we ourselves have liberty, and our conscience is clear doing the things we do, and Jesus is Glorified by us,, So is the the Lord Glorified by those who don't do it. I think that's something that should be made clear when having discussions such as this. Because, "I" don't think it's a sin, doesn't mean that "you" don't. And vice versa,, If it's not a direct command to do so,, then "You" shouldn't preach to me that it's sin. But, "I" shouldn't try to convince you other wise, because of you're conscience. Although "I" shouldn't try to convince you, that means, I shouldn't pressure you about it. Although "I" or "You" have the right, and liberty to explain "our" points of view, comming from either direction.
Nice to see you Whiteknuckle I do understand what you are saying here and while its a nice way to view things as a human being and shows your good character as a person .. It unfortunatley has not much to do with sin. See we can not decide what is and isnt sin for ourselves.. If that were true a theif or murder could decide their actions were not a sin to them. God decides what is and isnt sin. And birth control is not listed amoung the sins. So founder is wrong here. While he is free to not practice this in his relationship should he choose. These are personal decisions as your other examples areFounder has no more right to decide what is sin than the thief.Only God can decide these things. The female egg if not fertilized is disguarded as waste from the human body so it in its self only holds a promise of life ..If not fertilized it is nothing but waste ..So saying preventing that egg from being fertilized is murder like abortion is just not true Gods very laws of nature prove this.
I do understand what you are saying here and while its a nice way to view things as a human being and shows your good character as a person .. It unfortunatley has not much to do with sin. See we can not decide what is and isnt sin for ourselves.. If that were true a theif or murder could decide their actions were not a sin to them. God decides what is and isnt sin. And birth control is not listed amoung the sins. So founder is wrong here. While he is free to not practice this in his relationship should he choose. These are personal decisions as your other examples areFounder has no more right to decide what is sin than the thief.Only God can decide these things. The female egg if not fertilized is disguarded as waste from the human body so it in its self only holds a promise of life ..If not fertilized it is nothing but waste ..So saying preventing that egg from being fertilized is murder like abortion is just not true Gods very laws of nature prove this.
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This is where I was getting it. I'm sorry, I switched from the NIV to the NKJV. My interpretations are kinda screwy,, where in the NKJ "Unclean" is "sin" in the NIV. Anyway,, here's the scripture that I was thinking about. Well, it's one of them. I tend to combine several scriptures in my head that have to do with one certain subject. Maybe one day I'll learn to articulate them into a fine study and explainations. LOL,, Much like you have a knack to do. Romans 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if your brother be grieved with your meat, now walk you not charitably. Destroy not him with your meat, for whom Christ died. 16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18 For he that in these things serves Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. 19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things with which one may edify another. 20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eats with offense. 21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby your brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak. 22 Have you faith? have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that comdemns not himself in that thing which he allows. 23 And he that doubts is damned if he eat, because he eats not of faith: for whatever is not of faith is sin. I wasn't meaning we can decide what's sin and what's not. That's why I said,, "If it's not a command" Such as we know the moral law,, Sexual immorality as an example, there's no way around what's immoral with that. So we can't just sit and say, "Well,, I have 1 wife and 2 girlfriends. It's not a sin for me, but since you don't think it's right, well, you should only have 1 wife and no girlfriends" Also, that's what I meant by,, we shouldn't try to judge people based on these things. If you think this certain thing is a sin, then to you it is a sin, but that doesn't make it a sin for me.
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