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Not Satan. Satan is an angel. There are millions of demons though.
Right. A fallen angel...

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Angels, whether fallen or in good standing, cannot make baby angels.
 
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Why doesn't satan have a sex organ still today?

Who cut it off? Maybe Michael or Jesus?

Please elaborate when he or how other demons with sex organs quit mating with human women?

Maybe mass castration?

Thanks.

We know that trees are described as humans in the bible at times. I believe that is so in Gen 2.

Mat_4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
Mat_8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
Mat_8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
Mat_8:33 And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.
Mat_9:32 As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil.
Mat_12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
Mar_1:32 And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.
Mar_5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
Mar_5:16 And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.
Mar_5:18 And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.
Luk_8:36 They also which saw it told them by what means he that was possessed of the devils was healed.
Act_4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act_8:7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
Act_16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
 

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We know that trees are described as humans in the bible at times. I believe that is so in Gen 2.

Mat_4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
Mat_8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
Mat_8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
Mat_8:33 And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.
Mat_9:32 As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil.
Mat_12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
Mar_1:32 And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.
Mar_5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
Mar_5:16 And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.
Mar_5:18 And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.
Luk_8:36 They also which saw it told them by what means he that was possessed of the devils was healed.
Act_4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act_8:7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
Act_16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
So you think that a possessed man had an affair with Eve?
 
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So you think that a possessed man had an affair with Eve?
Yes, how else did she have Cain, a little later Adam knew his wife.
The tree of good and evil, some good people, some bad.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
 

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I go by several things but if Jesus says so, I research more.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
1Jn_3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
beguiled aw-shaw'
A primitive root; to lead astray, that is, (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:

It wasn't that Cain was just mean, he was literally a child of the devil. If we follow the decentants of Cain we will find that all of his children are of the devil. The Pharisees, children of the devil, at Jesus time on earth wanted Jesus dead. King Herold, another child of Cain, had his soldiers to go out and kill all children under 2 years of age.

Put it all together it spells 'truth' and that is why I say it is.


First thanks for the reply, second, how are you using the term "father" in John 8:44? are you using it in a biological sense or a Spiritual sense?.
lets stop here for a second, listen, Matthew 1:1 "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." now this,
Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
also this, Matthew 9:27 "And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us."
NOW ONE MORE, Matthew 22:41 "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,"
Matthew 22:42 "Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David."
Matthew 22:43 "He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,"
Matthew 22:44 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?"
Matthew 22:45 "If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?"

now Rocky Wiley I'm going to ask you a direct question. is the Lord Jesus the Son of God... or the son of David? which one? Now we're going to separate the flesh from the Spirit.

I'll be looking to hear that answer.

PICJAG.
 
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Yes, how else did she have Cain, a little later Adam knew his wife.
The tree of good and evil, some good people, some bad.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Genesis 4:1

The man had sexual relations with Havah his wife; she conceived, gave birth to Kayin [acquisition] and said, “I have acquired a man from Adonai.

This verse says a man and his wife. It does not say a woman and her adulterous relationship. Ironic how we quote one verse to prove a point, but fail to actually quote the verse that refutes the same point.

Is lying about Scripture a fruit a person should be known by? This is why we cannot assume chapter 4 happens after the fall. We start speculating even more lies. Chapter 4 is the proof that chapter 4 is before the fall. We cannot place sin into this chapter, period.

Genesis 4:23
"Lemekh said to his wives,

“‘Adah and Tzilah, listen to me;
wives of Lemekh, hear what I say:
I killed a man for wounding me,
a young man who injured me.

Two people were killed in this chapter. Killing would be considered an act of sin, after the Flood. But the act of dying was the sin. Now before someone cries "victim blaming" which is totally a sin. Paul states in Romans 5:12-14

12 Here is how it works: it was through one individual that sin entered the world, and through sin, death; and in this way death passed through to the whole human race, inasmuch as everyone sinned.
13 Sin was indeed present in the world before Torah was given, but sin is not counted as such when there is no Torah.
14 Nevertheless death ruled from Adam until Moshe, even over those whose sinning was not exactly like Adam’s violation of a direct command. In this, Adam prefigured the one who was to come.

In chapter 4, you cannot count 2 murders as sin. It was not a law to break. Nor was it the victim's fault or sin to die!!!

Even the birth of Seth, 100 years later, Genesis 4:25-26

25 Adam again had sexual relations with his wife, and she gave birth to a son whom she named Shet [granted], “For God has granted me another seed in place of Hevel, since Kayin killed him.”
26 To Shet too was born a son, whom he called Enosh. That is when people began to call on the name of Adonai.

God even showed sinful Adam and sinful Eve, grace and mercy in a fallen state and blessed them with Seth, another sinner, who had another sinner, so that from these sinners the whole world would have free will to not be sons of God, but choose to be sons of God. Lemekh and Cain were sons of God. They did not sin, because there was no law condemning them. But sin happened, because 2 people died. 2 people did not die, because 2 people sinned, but because death was now a reality. God would later have to keep struggling with the sons of God, because they were letting sin control them, even when no law was defined. They should have known better being in the full image of God, not even born in sin, as a sinner.

Using Genesis 4, as being sinners and sinning, cannot work ever, especially attempting to say a demon possessed anyone. Angels are not demons, nor had they fallen yet. No one had even died yet. Demons are and can only be a spirit of a fallen human, when that human has reprobated his own soul to the point, he can no longer be saved from sin. Those humans, at the last judgment, will stand before God. God will say, I never knew you, and their name will be removed from ever existing. Then they will be alive in the lake of fire. Their spirit at their time on earth had to leave God's presence, and wondering the earth finding a soul to attach to.

So yes, there have been millions of people, whose names will be removed, and whose spirits have caused millions of people to be possessed. Especially millions before Christ from the 4500 years between the Flood and Christ. Now we have more, because the Female Church that is no longer the church, and many splinters, have caused even more people to become reprobate in their very theology and doctrine of devils. False prophets doing exactly what Antiochus did. Creating their own demons to cast out. Offering up the lives of thousands of humans on the alter, as pigs. Remember it was the pigs that Jesus sacrificed, not humanity. Today false prophets sacrifice humans to get their pigs.
 
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First thanks for the reply, second, how are you using the term "father" in John 8:44? are you using it in a biological sense or a Spiritual sense?.
lets stop here for a second, listen, Matthew 1:1 "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." now this,
Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
also this, Matthew 9:27 "And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us."
NOW ONE MORE, Matthew 22:41 "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,"
Matthew 22:42 "Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David."
Matthew 22:43 "He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,"
Matthew 22:44 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?"
Matthew 22:45 "If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?"

now Rocky Wiley I'm going to ask you a direct question. is the Lord Jesus the Son of God... or the son of David? which one? Now we're going to separate the flesh from the Spirit.

I'll be looking to hear that answer.

PICJAG.

Jesus is God, the one and only God, wrapped in the flesh and at one time that flesh had a grandfather.
I have the Holy Ghost who is God, I still have a earthly father and grandfathers, but my heavenly father is God whom I know as Jesus who is God and who is also the Holy Ghost.

Whew, does that confuse you?
 
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Yes, how else did she have Cain, a little later Adam knew his wife.
The tree of good and evil, some good people, some bad.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Who was the possessed man?
 
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Jesus is God, the one and only God, wrapped in the flesh and at one time that flesh had a grandfather.
I have the Holy Ghost who is God, I still have a earthly father and grandfathers, but my heavenly father is God whom I know as Jesus who is God and who is also the Holy Ghost.

Whew, does that confuse you?
thanks for the reply, that flesh have no desent, nor mother or father, listen, when speaking of Melchisedec, Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

HOLD IT, if made like the Son of God, having no father, without mother, without descent. notice "father" is not capalized, indicating a natural biological earthly father. so the grandparents angel is out.
I have the Holy Ghost who is God
but Jesus is the Holy Ghost who is GOD, big difference.

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thanks for the reply, that flesh have no desent, nor mother or father, listen, when speaking of Melchisedec, Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

HOLD IT, if made like the Son of God, having no father, without mother, without descent. notice "father" is not capalized, indicating a natural biological earthly father. so the grandparents angel is out.

but Jesus is the Holy Ghost who is GOD, big difference.

PICJAG.
AMEN
 

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thanks for the reply, that flesh have no desent, nor mother or father, listen, when speaking of Melchisedec, Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

HOLD IT, if made like the Son of God, having no father, without mother, without descent. notice "father" is not capalized, indicating a natural biological earthly father. so the grandparents angel is out.

but Jesus is the Holy Ghost who is GOD, big difference.

PICJAG.

There is a serious error in your post. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, a.k.a, the Holy Ghost, nor is Jesus God the Father. The three comprise the Godhead, but they are entirely separate. Jesus was resurrected to sit at God's right hand -- the place of the highest honor -- and then He sent the Holy Spirit to live within us and be our guide.
 

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There is a serious error in your post. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, a.k.a, the Holy Ghost, nor is Jesus God the Father. The three comprise the Godhead, but they are entirely separate. Jesus was resurrected to sit at God's right hand -- the place of the highest honor -- and then He sent the Holy Spirit to live within us and be our guide.
first thanks for your reply, second, if Jesus is not the Holy Ghost, or the one whom you calls the Father. reconcile these two verses for me please.
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." this is the Lord Jesus whom you calls the Son correct? now this,

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

now Jim B, is this the SAME PERSON in both verses who "MADE ALL THINGS?" yes or no, and please note in Isaiah 44:24, the one there said that he was alone, and "by himself", when he "MADE ALL THINGS".

I'll be looking for your answer.

PICJAG

PS and welcome to the board.
 

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@Jim B, I don't want the other topic flooded with this discussion,

you said "Jesus created everything. and is not Jesus the Word here in John 1:3? so it's the same person, or you error, in a lie. for there is only one who made all things including MAN.

PICJAG.
 

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well now that we're getting some where. let's up the ante a bit. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
well now, if JESUS who created/made all things was "alone", and "by myself", then that means there was on other "PERSON", nor anyone to go through...... uh o............ so where was the other two so called "persons"

next time we will examine the term "WITH" as in John 1:1 and find out what it means. also the "with" in Phil 2:6 also.

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There is a serious error in your post. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, a.k.a, the Holy Ghost, nor is Jesus God the Father. The three comprise the Godhead, but they are entirely separate. Jesus was resurrected to sit at God's right hand -- the place of the highest honor -- and then He sent the Holy Spirit to live within us and be our guide.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 

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A little more on creation:
In the churches today 99% of everything they teach is an outright lie and contradiction to the Holy Word of God. They teach evolution. The first tenet in the churches’ belief is the very thing that renders the people powerless, Evolution, Darwinism.
“Well, my church does not teach that.” Well, it does too. It teaches you that all people came from Adam and Eve, that all races, that all nations, that all two legged creatures did not exist on earth before Adam and Eve which, according to them, was approximately 6,000 years ago. This is a huge lie. There were races and nations of people here on earth tens of thousands of years before Adam and Eve. You say, “Well, my Bible does not teach that.” That is because you don’t read your Bible, you don’t study your Bible, you don’t pray to God to give you enlightenment, because if you did you would read in the 1st chapter of Genesis that what happened is a recreation of the heavens and earth. Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” True, God did create all the things we know today. But the second verse says that this is a recreation. “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.” You can read about this in Jeremiah. Jeremiah the 4th chapter the 23rd verse is a direct explanation of Genesis 1:2. “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.” And He goes on to say in verse 28 let “them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH the earth.” Now you can’t redo something that has never been done.