CharismaticLady
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The seven churches are a three-fold prophecy.
The specific local church in the town of 2000 years ago
Individuals of the types specified in the letter throughout the ages
A church age of a specific time frame.
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The seven churches are a three-fold prophecy.
The specific local church in the town of 2000 years ago
Individuals of the types specified in the letter throughout the ages
A church age of a specific time frame.
Because you have confessed Jesus as Lord, and have chosen to follow him, partaking of the new nature, and struggling to overcome the lower nature every day, I'm confident that nothing evil will befall you in eternity to come, and you will derive pleasure from God's happiness with you. Keep it up, and all of your suffering will have been worth the wait.
CharismaticLady
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Randy, where are you getting this? Romans 7? Don't you know that with the new nature is a lack of struggle. You naturally do what your new nature wants to do. The struggle was in the Romans 7 law of sin and death. Romans 8:2 says, but the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, has freed me from the law of sin and death.
You seem to be hauling around a lot of baggage of doctrines of demons. Forget everything you've been brainwashed with, and trust the Bible only IN CONTEXT.
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Galatians 5:17 is about those who have the Spirit of God; and it says that they cannot do the things that they would.
CharismaticLady
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We have already gone over this and I've already told you 1 John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. (Why? Because their new nature doesn't WANT TO.)
Someone without the Spirit of God cannot do righteousness. (Why? Because they don't WANT TO)
You are reading it backwards and not in line with the rest of scripture.
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No; I am saying that the person who is born of God cannot sin.
Therefore when we compare the scriptures what does it say about whether we would sin if we could do so and there was no restraint from the Holy Ghost?
Ye "cannot" do the things that ye "would". (Galatians 5:17).
Gal 5:17, For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Think about what that means.
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CharismaticLady
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We may be saying the same thing if you are actually saying that those who are walking in the Spirit do not sin because they don't want to.
I'm saying that those who walk according to the Spirit don't sin even though they might want to.
CharismaticLady
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Yes, that's what I thought you meant, and I disagree. Only those with the old nature ruling them would have the desire, but they are not born again, and do not have the Spirit. Those who have the Spirit are not in the old nature, thus do not desire what the old nature would have wanted.
That is contrary to what it says in Galatians 5:17.
The verse in question is obviously speaking of someone who has the Spirit of the Lord dwelling in them.
Take the time to read the verse in the kjv.
Gal 5:17, For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
CharismaticLady
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Read the sins of the flesh, vs. 19-21. I DON'T WANT to do any of those. If you do, then do you really have the Holy Spirit?
As I said, you are understanding it cock-eyed!
Good night.
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No, I actually have many years of experience walking in the Spirit. It isn't a doctrine of demons. It isn't a piece of cake. Just read Paul's letters. He went through misery sometimes--I'm surprised you haven't seen it. He felt like he had the sentence of death. He called the high priest an insulting name, I think. Paul wasn't perfect. He had to fight the lower nature like everyone else. That's how he knew to tell fellow believers to put side the carnal ways of man. If he was so easy for Christians he wouldn't even have to tell them.
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Your flesh, or your old man, wants to do all of those.
In my new man, or in the Spirit, I don't want to do any of those.
But I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells no good thing (Romans 7:18).
Denying that you have a sin nature is a denial of one of the basic concepts of Christianity.
And I am not denying the new nature in saying that the old man is still a factor.
I am saying that the flesh is a reality in all of our lives that we all have to deal with.
For example, I know that I have touches of prejudice in my heart against people of color because of past experiences I have had with them that were bad. But I say also that this is sin and based in my flesh; because Christ has confined sin to the flesh (Romans 8:3).
I know that there are people who are born again of the Holy Spirit who also have racial prejudices within their constitution. Again, it is in their flesh and not in their spirit; because Christ has confined sin to the flesh (Romans 8:3).
The first and only step that we can take in dealing with these matters is to confess them as sin and to bring them to the Cross as something to be dealt with at the Cross.
If you have never had any bad experiences with people of another race, and therefore have no racial prejudices, I commend you.
However, I think that racial prejudice is a sin that affects people of every color and is deeply rooted in the differences that we have with one another. I also don't think that there is anyone who is completely unaffected by this problem to some degree or another.
So I think that if you are honest with yourself, you will admit that it applies to you. And if you will never admit it, it will never be dealt with at the Cross. It will not be forgiven and cleansed because it remains unconfessed (see 1 John 1:9).
That is so well said! And it's not just prejudice, but covetousness, jealousy, sexual lust, anger and rage, a critical spirit, bitterness. How people cannot see this I can't fathom. We're all different, and we all have to fight these things in one way or another. We have good days, and we have bad days. But we are told to "fight the good fight" "in season and out of season." It means we have to keep on plugging away whether we feel angry or not. We have to strive to keep our spirit in the love of Christ. And that does take work. There is no question that Jesus did the work in making his gift available to us. But even after we take that gift, we have to put down our sinful tendencies every time they rise up. That's really our daily job. And if we succeed, we will have won the battle.
That's possible. The primary meaning of the passage is historical, having to do with those 7 historical churches in Asia Minor. But God being God He could've used these 7 churches to cover the entirety of NT history, to apply to all possible churches, and perhaps, as you say, even in different eras, progressively.
I would say, however, that the love of Christ is a gift of the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5) and therefore it is not kept through our striving to keep it.
It is kept through simple faith in Jesus and our abiding in Him.
I think that 2 Chronicles 32:31 is a good verse to look at on this issue.
God left Hezekiah for a season in order that Hezekiah might know what was in his own heart.
God has done this with me before in times past also; and I have found that apart from the Holy Spirit I am the worst of sinners.
When He is with me, I find that I can do just about anything and entire sanctification belongs to me.
But if He were ever to leave again, boy would I be in trouble!
So I agree with the faithful statement that is worthy of all acceptation spoken of in 1 Timothy 1:15, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
I do believe that this is a statement that all of us need to apply to our own selves in ownership of the fact that each one of us is the chief of sinners more than anyone else around us.
We are to consider others better than ourselves (Philippians 2:3); and this includes the unregenerated people around us.
God left Hezekiah for a season in order that Hezekiah might know what was in his own heart.
God has done this with me before in times past also; and I have found that apart from the Holy Spirit I am the worst of sinners.
When He is with me, I find that I can do just about anything and entire sanctification belongs to me.
But if He were ever to leave again, boy would I be in trouble!
So I agree with the faithful statement that is worthy of all acceptation spoken of in 1 Timothy 1:15, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
I do believe that this is a statement that all of us need to apply to our own selves in ownership of the fact that each one of us is the chief of sinners more than anyone else around us.
We are to consider others better than ourselves (Philippians 2:3); and this includes the unregenerated people around us.
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CharismaticLady
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I think one of them is Acts of the Apostles 23:3-5.
I will leave the other passages for Randy to give to you.
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