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Jesus is the Son of man and the Son of God.

In this, He is 100% Man and 100% God in the hypostatic union.

100% x 100% = 100%.
Does being the only begotten son of God automatically qualify him as God Himself?

No, but having his God and Father inside his omnipresent spirit body qualifies him as God.

This phenomenon is exactly how the baby/son is the Everlasting Father...
 

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Does being the only begotten son of God automatically qualify him as God Himself?

No, but having his God and Father inside his omnipresent spirit body qualifies him as God.

This phenomenon is exactly how the baby/son is the Everlasting Father...
I'm not sure what your point is.

Are you trying to say that Jesus isn't God apart from the Father's indwelling?
 

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Bingo.

The son of man came to serve, not God.

You hit the nail on the head with that verse.

The Son of God, (who is God) came "AS" the Son of man, to serve man.

* When God sent His WORD to Earth:
God Sent His WORD, IN a Prepared FLESH BODY, in the LIKENESS "AS" a man (not an angel, animal, plant), but Likeness AS a man.

* When God sent His WORD to Earth:
God said:
God (in Heaven) Would Be "A" Father To Him (Gods FLESH WORD) who was ON Earth.
AND...
Gods WORD in Flesh, ON Earth, would BE "A" Son to God in Heaven.

Heb 1
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

God DECLARED He is the Father of His Word.
God DECLARED His WORD, God put in a FLESH Body, IS Gods Son.

God and the Word of God are the One Same Lord God.

When the Word of God, was ON Earth, it Was Revealed, He is Also the Christ (the Power of God)...

The Son, The Father, The Power are the ONE Same .... Lord God Almighty.



Glory to God,
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The Son of God, (who is God) came "AS" the Son of man, to serve man.

* When God sent His WORD to Earth:
God Sent His WORD, IN a Prepared FLESH BODY, in the LIKENESS "AS" a man (not an angel, animal, plant), but Likeness AS a man.

* When God sent His WORD to Earth:
God said:
God (in Heaven) Would Be "A" Father To Him (Gods FLESH WORD) who was ON Earth.
AND...
Gods WORD in Flesh, ON Earth, would BE "A" Son to God in Heaven.

Heb 1
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

God DECLARED He is the Father of His Word.
God DECLARED His WORD, God put in a FLESH Body, IS Gods Son.

God and the Word of God are the One Same Lord God.

When the Word of God, was ON Earth, it Was Revealed, He is Also the Christ (the Power of God)...

The Son, The Father, The Power are the ONE Same .... Lord God Almighty.



Glory to God,
Taken
God did not send His word anywhere, but He spoke Jesus into existence by His word....


1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him(God's word/Gen 1); and without him was not any thing made that was made....


14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Right, God's word made everything...including Jesus.
 

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I'm not sure what your point is.

Are you trying to say that Jesus isn't God apart from the Father's indwelling?
Yes, exactly.

On earth, he said he had no power, but the Father inside him empowered him.

Same with after the resurrection, then he was given all power from the Father.

His power source was never his, but his Father's(God).
 

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Jesus is the Son of man and the Son of God.

In this, He is 100% Man and 100% God in the hypostatic union.

100% x 100% = 100%.

Disagree God is understood as a mathematical equation.

A human man's Flesh Body is 100% out of Earth Elements.
Never does Scripture teach Jesus' Body was out of The Earths Elements, "nor", as with a human, that His Body Returned to the Earth, rotted, to again become dust of the Earth.

The Back Story plays a prominate part in understanding.

From the beginning of mankind...Created Human men Could Not, Can NOT SEE God.

Historical (OT) men who Believed...were tasked with Teaching Other men About God.

The Dilemma- Teaching men TO Believe IN SOMETHING, "they Could NOT SEE".

Gods Solution- prophecy. God FORETELLING- believing men (in Visions) things that Would Happen, and Those believing men, telling other men. When a foretold Prophecy would come to pass, many others would then also believe.

Gods perspective "according" to Scripture should have been "proof" enough for men to testify...hearing the Word of God, and God having given man, a Prophecy that came to pass, to be Sufficient for men to Trust Gods Word.

For awhile Yes, moving along in history, more generations of men, later generations wanted "more provable" prophecies or "to SEE God", as Proof of Gods Existence.

Believing Teachers...for Ex. Moses and Job asked to See God...because their Task of Teaching human men About an Unseen God was Hard to convince men God existed.

Gods Response? Calling human men stiffnecked...that " hearing Gods WORD" was not sufficient...that men needed TO SEE to Believe!

EX 32:9
EX 33:3 / 33:5
EX 34:9
DEUT 9:6 / 9:13
DEUT 10:16
2 CHR 30:8
ACTS 7:51

In these Last days...
God Purposed IN Himself...(Eph 1:9)
Sent His Word in the FLESH Likeness AS a man, for human men TO HEAR and SEE, that men might thereafter Believe. (Heb 1: 1-14)

The Word of God IS God.
The Word of God Coming Forth out from God in Heaven...Coming TO Earth in The LIKENESS AS a man...DOES "NOT" mean The Word of God/ God Himself, Changed" into A "Human" man.

Mal 3:
[6] For I am the LORD, I change not.

Like/ Likeness is a similitude.

Gods Word IS God.
God Is the Creator of Human men.
God IS NOT a CREATED Human man.
Gods Word Came to Earth IN the Likeness, as A "human" man.
Like/ Likeness is a Similitude.

God Desires HUMAN men to Become "LIKE" Him.

Human men WHO Become "LIKE" God, DO NOT BECOME GOD...DO NOT become some silly (human man's notion and teaching) of 100% human and 100% God!

Phil 2:
[ 7]... the likeness of men:
( the Look of a human man, but not a Corrupt Sinful Human man).

But SOME men "try to MAKE" and teach and preach, God IS A Human man.--->

Rom 1:
[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible (human) man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.


Glory to God,
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God did not send His word anywhere,
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Eh, No.

Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

John 5:
[24] Verily, verily, I (Jesus) say unto you, ... believeth on B] him that sent me[/B], (Jesus)...

but He spoke Jesus into existence by His word....

God spoke His Word (Jesus) into "existence" by Jesus His Word?

Eh No.

Gods Word always "Existed", whether or not God Spoke.

Glory to God,
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How is it that you are unaware that Matthew took Hosea 11:1 out of context in Matthew 2:15 and applied the verse to Jesus when in the original context it was referring to Israel?

And how, in 2 Corinthians 9:6, it proclaims the prosperity gospel (in its immediate context) unless you specifically compare it to Luke 8:11?

In both these cases, sound doctrine is obtained when we take a scripture out of its immediate context and apply a topical context instead.

See 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv)....we obtain the teaching of the Holy Spirit when we compare spiritual things with other spiritual things; in other words, when we compare scripture with scripture: whether we compare it to contrasting scripture to come up with a happy medium or whether we compare it with parallel verses to strengthen the case for a doctrine in the word.

1Co 2:13, Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

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You need to learn how to interpret Scripture. You are in serious error and just plain ignorant.
 

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You need to learn how to interpret Scripture. You are in serious error and just plain ignorant.
I know how to interpret scripture...I use the biblical hermeneutic that is given to us as the means by which the Holy Spirit teaches, in 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv).

Resorting to insults reveals the kind of fruit that you bear...briers and thorns. I suggest that you read Matthew chapter 7.
 

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I know how to interpret scripture...I use the biblical hermeneutic that is given to us as the means by which the Holy Spirit teaches, in 1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv).

Resorting to insults reveals the kind of fruit that you bear...briers and thorns. I suggest that you read Matthew chapter 7.
Those are not insults. They are demonstrated fact.
 

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That is an ignorant statement because you are an ignorant person; but I did not just insult you...:rolleyes:

Proverbs 26:4-5.
More verses taken out of context. By the way, if you are insulted by being called ignorant, maybe you should examine why I said you were ignorant on the topic and what ignorant actually means. It was a fact in this situation that you are ignorant on this topic. Insulting you would be if I said you were stupid. But I did not say that. Ignorant is an appropriate term.
 

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More verses taken out of context. By the way, if you are insulted by being called ignorant, maybe you should examine why I said you were ignorant on the topic and what ignorant actually means. It was a fact in this situation that you are ignorant on this topic. Insulting you would be if I said you were stupid. But I did not say that. Ignorant is an appropriate term.
You are only making yourself look worse by saying these things.

Calling someone ignorant is indeed an insult; you are only attempting to justify your sin.
 

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This means that Jesus is an invisible omnipresent(everywhere at one time, bodily) spirit, but can appear in any form He wants to appear as.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
 
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John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Exactly.
He was made a quickening spirit by his God that resurrected him from the dead.

Also, Jesus preexisted in the mind/will of God, which is reality.

He was even crucified from the foundation of the world.

He most certainly was known in heaven while on earth this way.
 

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Also, Jesus preexisted in the mind/will of God, which is reality.
He was even crucified from the foundation of the world.

Do you suppose the "let us" in the following text is Yahweh's foreknowledgement of Jesus...

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image (singular), after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

God Bless!
 

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Do you suppose the "let us" in the following text is Yahweh's foreknowledgement of Jesus...

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image (singular), after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

God Bless!
Yes I do.

I think it was Jesus, body soul and spirit that was standing there with God that God was talking to.

Adam was made in the likeness of Jesus(body, soul and spirit)....


14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.