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Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity.
 

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How the Nazi Regime converted the people:a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”B) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted
 

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“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.] “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
 

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I think you're in error with this one. It wasn't Christianity that was a catalyst. It was a bastardized form called Catholocism.
 

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Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism
 

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Geordie72, I believe you are out here to cause trouble. It clearly seems that you are twisting History and blaming on Christianity. It is an insult to us that knows and cares about History. But it is sickening to hear words from men without given proved for a SO-CALLED fact.Adolf Hitler is a sick type of ANTI-CHRIST! I will not endorse lies and opinion of men!
 

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Just curious, but do you have anything positive to say about the religion you claim to belong to? Or, is it as I suspect, that you have nothing better to do with your life than "troll" a Christian forum by making nonsensical posts about this and that?
 

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Well, I have noticed that if we walk in Love, and not let anyone get us off our square, then if they came with a honest heart with a messed up belief system, they will start to change as they interact with others.If they came just to be a troll, then not getting a negative response from us real Christians will make them board and they will go away. Give a troll food, and they will continue to stay and eat.So, geordie72 may really believe what he thinks is really the truth, and He may be confused as to why "WE" can't see that truth. OR He may just be a troll, that attempts to gender strife. Love will separate that.We have someone else on the forum that is WAY out there, and is not very nice when you respond back to them, but I really believe that person truly believes what they write, and is just confused. No problem there.Be blessed everyone. Jesus Is Lord.
 

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[quote name='Brother Mike;73263]Well' date=' I have noticed that if we walk in Love, and not let anyone get us off our square, then if they came with a honest heart with a messed up belief system, they will start to change as they interact with others.If they came just to be a troll, then not getting a negative response from us real Christians will make them board and they will go away. Give a troll food, and they will continue to stay and eat.So, geordie72 may really believe what he thinks is really the truth, and He may be confused as to why "WE" can't see that truth. OR He may just be a troll, that attempts to gender strife. Love will separate that.We have someone else on the forum that is WAY out there, and is not very nice when you respond back to them, but I really believe that person truly believes what they write, and is just confused. No problem there.Be blessed everyone. Jesus Is Lord.[/QUOTE']Matthew 7:6 - Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
 

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WhiteKnuckle;73254 said:
I think you're in error with this one. It wasn't Christianity that was a catalyst. It was a bastardized form called Catholocism.
Just out of curiosity... by what claim do you call Catholicism "Bastardized"? I do believe that Hitler hated Catholics too? And you can't claim that true and orthodox Catholicism is any more anti-semitic than other Christian religions...
 

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Having studied evolution for many years and recently revisited the subject, those who accept the truth know that the catalyst behind WW1 and WW2 was Darwin's theories.Both the Kaiser and Hitler believed in the survival of the fittest and the idea of a superior race as espoused by Darwinian theory. They embarked on their wars to eliminate the weakest and to produce a strong superior race, which they were to be head of. Ultimately they wanted a one world government run by the Arryans. Hitler did not see Jews, homosexuals and gypsies as part of his superior race, hence his desire to eradicate them.
 

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Deadwheat1224;73285 said:
Just out of curiosity... by what claim do you call Catholicism "Bastardized"? I do believe that Hitler hated Catholics too? And you can't claim that true and orthodox Catholicism is any more anti-semitic than other Christian religions...
I was raised strict Roman Catholic and it has some major problems: their claim of authority is Jesus telling Peter that he is the rock that the church would be built on, and use that as their "right" and as the establishment of the office of Pope. They teach about Purgatory, when there's no such place mentioned or implied in the Bible. They claim that Mary is still a virgin, and are thus forced to claim that Jesus' brothers and sisters were actually his "cousins." They teach that the Sacrament literally turns to flesh and blood (transubstantiation), and claim that members are to believe everything that the church teaches or nothing (dogma).
 

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WhiteKnuckle;73254 said:
I think you're in error with this one. It wasn't Christianity that was a catalyst. It was a bastardized form called Catholocism.
No, it was on man's megalomaniacal thirst for conquest and an over-inflated sense of importance who happened to come to power at a volitile point in history.
 

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Adolph Hitler was a megalomainiac who eventualy learned how to exploit the fears of the german people and their sence of suffering an unjust burden brought by the post World war 1 treaty that put large repayment burdens on the german people.Hitler himself was a arian supremisist who had no love for Christanity, But living in a country that had a religous traditions He had to make a show of loyalty to that tradition but as it has already been stated he used the code worlds "positive christianity" meaning christianity that was loyal to the needs of the earthy state, not to the trachings of the Spiritual kingdom of Jesus.Oh a few insider quotes from the nazies
(A. Speer, Inside the Third Reich, pp. 142-143)“Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking, ‘You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness….”5
Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, “The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race… Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.”’
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 

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Dad of 3;73515]I was raised strict Roman Catholic and it has some major problems: their claim of authority is Jesus telling Peter that he is the rock that the church would be built on said:
I too was raised as a roman catholic. Thanks be to God that i now believe Jesus. I have been saved from that religon.All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 

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geordie72;73230 said:
The German troops forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.
And then they went off and killed 4.5 million Polish CATHOLICS -- my Uncle and Grandmother were among those killed.
 

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Dad of 3;73515]I was raised strict Roman Catholic and it has some major problems: their claim of authority is Jesus telling Peter that he is the rock that the church would be built on said:
[list type=decimal][*]Actually, the authority comes from Jesus telling Peter that WHATSOEVER he binds on earth WILL BE BOUND in heaven.[*]The "office of Pope" is based on the actions of the Apostles where they picked a replacement for Judas granting him FULL Apostalic authority -- showing that the authority given to them WAS transferrable to others.[/LIST]
Dad of 3;73515]They teach about Purgatory said:
In Matthew 12, Jesus tells us that “Anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” -- showing that there is forgiveness in the next life. Where does this forgiveness happen? Not in heaven because those that are in heaven are in no need of forgiveness and certainly not in hell where no forgiveness is possible. Again, showing that there is some "other place" where forgiveness IS given -- fitting in perfectly with the Catholic Church teaching of Purgatory.[*] In 2 Tim. 1:16-18, Paul asks for mercy for Onesiphorus who is dead. There is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.[/LIST]
Dad of 3;73515]They claim that Mary is still a virgin said:
They teach that the Sacrament literally turns to flesh and blood (transubstantiation)' date='[/QUOTE']In John 3:5,11; Matt. 16:11-12 we see some examples of Jesus correcting wrong impressions of His teaching. In the Eucharistic discourse, Jesus does not correct the "misunderstanding" about eating His flesh and drinking His blood. Why? because they understood correctly. Let's look at it piece by piece ... [list type=decimal][*] John 6:51-52 = Jesus says that the bread He is referring to is His flesh. The Jews take Him literally and immediately question such a teaching. How can this man give us His flesh to eat?[*]John 6:53 - 58 = Jesus does not correct their literal interpretation like He did in John 3:5,11; Matt. 16:11-12 when His followers misunderstood Him. Instead, Jesus eliminates any metaphorical interpretations by swearing an oath and being even more literal about eating His flesh. In fact, Jesus says four times we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. Catholics thus believe that Jesus makes present His body and blood in the sacrifice of the Mass. Protestants, if they are not going to become Catholic, can only argue that Jesus was somehow speaking symbolically.[*]John 6:23-53 = however, a symbolic interpretation is not plausible. Throughout these verses, the Greek text uses the word "phago". "Phago" literally means "to eat" or "physically consume." Like the Protestants of our day, the disciples take issue with Jesus' literal usage of "eat." So Jesus does what?[*]John 6:54, 56, 57, 58 = He uses an even more literal verb, translated as "trogo," which means to gnaw or chew or crunch. He increases the literalness and drives his message home. Jesus will literally give us His flesh and blood to eat. The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (in Matt. 24:38 and John 13:18) and it always means to literally gnaw or chew meat. While “phago” might also have a spiritual application, "trogo" is never used metaphorically in Greek. So Protestants cannot find one verse in Scripture where "trogo" is used symbolically, and yet this must be their argument if they are going to deny the Catholic understanding of Jesus' words. Moreover, the Jews already knew Jesus was speaking literally even before Jesus used the word “trogo” when they said “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” (John 6:52).[*]John 6:55 = to clarify further, Jesus says "For My Flesh is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed." This phrase can only be understood as being responsive to those who do not believe that Jesus' flesh is food indeed, and His blood is drink indeed. Further, Jesus uses the word which is translated as "sarx." "Sarx" means flesh (not "soma" which means body). See, for example, John 1:13,14; 3:6; 8:15; 17:2; Matt. 16:17; 19:5; 24:22; 26:41; Mark 10:8; 13:20; 14:38; and Luke 3:6; 24:39 which provides other examples in Scripture where "sarx" means flesh. It is always literal.[*]John 6:55 = further, the phrases "real" food and "real" drink use the word "alethes." "Alethes" means "really" or "truly," and would only be used if there were doubts concerning the reality of Jesus' flesh and blood as being food and drink. Thus, Jesus is emphasizing the miracle of His body and blood being actual food and drink.[*]John 6:60 = as are many anti-Catholics today, Jesus' disciples are scandalized by these words. They even ask, "Who can 'listen' to it (much less understand it)?" To the unillumined mind, it seems grotesque.[*]John 6:61-63 = Jesus acknowledges their disgust. Jesus' use of the phrase "the spirit gives life" means the disciples need supernatural faith, not logic, to understand His words.[/LIST]
Dad of 3;73515 said:
and claim that members are to believe everything that the church teaches or nothing (dogma).
And why is this a problem? One either believes in the sacred truths or one doesn't.
 

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One major problem with this interpretation of the mass and I admit your exegesis is compelling. Having worked in the Catholic System and taken mass, if it is turned into Jesus flesh and blood, one would expect it to taste and feel like flesh and blood, but it doesn't. When one eats and drinks it tastes like what it is-a wafer and wine.That being the case, it doesn't transubstantiate. It is an invention of the church to give more authority and mysticism to the priest.
 

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Deadwheat1224 Just out of curiosity... by what claim do you call Catholicism "Bastardized"? I do believe that Hitler hated Catholics too? And you can't claim that true and orthodox Catholicism is any more anti-semitic than other Christian religions...
Curious to know what does it mean to be anti-semitic?
 

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Hello Knight I hope i can be used by God to free you from deception. But even if you are destined to remain deceived i must do my best to counter the deception you are spreading in this post.
Sir Knight;73856][list type=decimal][*]Actually said:
That Authority was given to Peter and Peter alone. Jesus never established a transferable authority. Jesus revealed that when He left the Helper the holy Spirit would come and tell them all things. Jesus knew Peter would be lead by the Holy Spirit in what He bound and what He loosened on earth. The job of Peter was to Complete the Word of God on earth. Once Peter had gone no such changes to His directives should have been accepted by anyone.
[*]The "office of Pope" is based on the actions of the Apostles where they picked a replacement for Judas granting him FULL Apostalic authority -- showing that the authority given to them WAS transferrable to others.[/LIST]
The Apostles where selecting an equal they where not selecting a Leader. This in no way gives authority for anyone to later establish a pope anywhere.
[list type=decimal][*]Where does it say in the bible that everything regarding the faith is to be found in it's pages? It doesn't! As a matter of fact, it specifically instructs us to observe all that is handed down to us BOTH in writing and ORALLY.
Anything given Orally must never be in conflict with the Words of Jesus. Peter handed down the scriptures to the body of christ. Never did he order anyone to pray in propitious prayers in rebellion against the word of Jesus.
Recall the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man. Many falsely conclude that the Rich Man is in hell but notice that he expresses concern for his brothers so that they do no end up in the same place that he is. Compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are forever cut off from God's graces. Therefore, the Rich Man can not be in hell and since he is obviously not in heaven, he is in some third place where he is beging purified of his sins. For nearly two thousand years, "this other place" has been referred to as Purgatory by the Catholic Church.
Lazarus's concern for his brothers has nothing what so ever to do with The lack of God's grace towards him. The conclusions that you have been taught have no basis.
[*] In Matthew 12, Jesus tells us that “Anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” -- showing that there is forgiveness in the next life. Where does this forgiveness happen? Not in heaven because those that are in heaven are in no need of forgiveness and certainly not in hell where no forgiveness is possible. Again, showing that there is some "other place" where forgiveness IS given -- fitting in perfectly with the Catholic Church teaching of Purgatory.
Jesus was defining the difference between a normal sin that has no forgiveness in the next life but can be forgiven be forgiven in this life through believing Jesus.And sin that could never be forgiven in this life and no forgiveness in the next.All i can do is shake my head at the incredible twists the catholic harlot had to come up with to justify its abominations. [*] In 2 Tim. 1:16-18, Paul asks for mercy for Onesiphorus who is dead. There is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.[/LIST]Where? 2 Timothy 116 The Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain; 17 but when he arrived in Rome, he sought me out very zealously and found me. 18 The Lord grant to him that he may find mercy from the Lord in that Day—and you know very well how many ways he ministered to me at Ephesus.Paul was not praying to God here He was expressing a hope that Onesiphorus would be saved. You cannot pray dead people into eternity with God.
[list type=decimal][*]Mary remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus for we read in Ezek. 44:2 that no man shall pass through the gate by which the Lord entered the world — this is a prophecy of Mary’s perpetual virginity. Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus.
If Ezekiel was talking about anything He was saying that No other person would come into this world through the gate of the Holy Spirit. Because it was by the Holy Spirit that Jesus came into the world. And hear the pain Word of God:Matthew 124 Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, 25 and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS.till What does that word mean? Same as until. Therefore the Word of God is saying that Joseph Did Know Mary after she gave birth to Jesus. No forever virgin that is just a creation of the abominable Mary cut created by the catholic church.
[*]Additionally, we read in Mark 6:3 that Jesus was always referred to as “the” son of Mary, not “a” son of Mary. Furthermore, when searching for Jesus in Luke 2:41-51 and finding Him in the temple, there is never any mention of other siblings.
That’s a stretch a desperate play on words. Hear the pain Word of God: Matthew 1246 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers!And again even more clearer:Matthew 1355 Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? 56 And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?” 57 So they were offended at Him.But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.” 58 Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief.Clear as Day: It is amazing how the catholic church could put forward the big lie, But we forget that the catholic church locked up the world of God for centuries even making it against the law for common people to read the bible. So it is not so amazing that they could conceal the truth and replace them with lies and traditions of men.
[*]Finally, it would have been unthinkable for Jesus to commit the care of his mother to a friend in John 19:26-27 if he had brothers.
I have no doubt that Jesus was closer to John then He was to His brothers. It is not unthinkable for Jesus to ask John to care for His mother especially if He was rejected by His brothers. Jesus said:“A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house His own house.
[*]In Acts 1:12-15 we read about the gathering of Jesus’ “brothers” amounting to about 120 — that’s a lot of children for one woman to have. Mary would have had to give birth to triplets every 9 months straight for three decades![/LIST]
Of course there is a difference between brothers in Spirit and brothers by family. It is clear that the one who spoke both in Jesus home of Nazareth was talking about Jesus Bothers by family because he named them, unless your trying to say that Jesus had only 4 kinsmen in Nazareth??? No it is clear Jesus had brothers and Mary had more children after having Jesus. The Whole Mary ever virgin is a devious construct of a harlot church out to undermine the true worship of Jesus with the abominable worship of a person.
In John 3:5,11; Matt. 16:11-12 we see some examples of Jesus correcting wrong impressions of His teaching. In the Eucharistic discourse, Jesus does not correct the "misunderstanding" about eating His flesh and drinking His blood. Why? because they understood correctly. Let's look at it piece by piece ... [list type=decimal][*] John 6:51-52 = Jesus says that the bread He is referring to is His flesh. The Jews take Him literally and immediately question such a teaching. How can this man give us His flesh to eat?[*]John 6:53 - 58 = Jesus does not correct their literal interpretation like He did in John 3:5,11; Matt. 16:11-12 when His followers misunderstood Him. Instead, Jesus eliminates any metaphorical interpretations by swearing an oath and being even more literal about eating His flesh. In fact, Jesus says four times we must eat His flesh and drink His blood. Catholics thus believe that Jesus makes present His body and blood in the sacrifice of the Mass. Protestants, if they are not going to become Catholic, can only argue that Jesus was somehow speaking symbolically.
Jesus was talking literally in a sense because His flesh and blood was given as atonement for our sins once and for all that believe. But the bread was not His flesh and the wise was not His blood. He instituted this for us to do in Memory of His giving His flesh and blood for the atonement of sins.
[*]John 6:60 = as are many anti-Catholics today, Jesus' disciples are scandalized by these words. They even ask, "Who can 'listen' to it (much less understand it)?" To the unillumined mind, it seems grotesque.
It is good to stand against catholicism for it is a deception. I am anti catholicism but i am not anti-catholic, I thank God for the Honour to stand up against the deception of the catholic church. May you come to believe Jesus and not fall to the ballam deception of following another jesus a construct of the traditions of corrupted men.All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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