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The post number is #669, Stranger. The answer is relatively simple. Case law, or should I say statutory law is based on the constitution.

Bull****. There was no 'case law' that resulted in the Reconstruction amendments. Do your due diligence.

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Since you are new, I don't mind explaining, I don't "feel about black people". I'm not racist. I never have been. Wasn't raised that way. I don't always even really notice skin color or ethnic appearance.

I was watching a movie the other day, it was about 30 minutes into it when I realized another part of the storyline was that this was a "mixed marriage" so called. White guy married to a black lady. I mentioned it to my wife, and she pointed out the very oriental boy who was the son.

Do you have different feelings about black people from white people?
Since you are new, I don't mind explaining, I don't "feel about black people". I'm not racist. I never have been. Wasn't raised that way. I don't always even really notice skin color or ethnic appearance.

I was watching a movie the other day, it was about 30 minutes into it when I realized another part of the storyline was that this was a "mixed marriage" so called. White guy married to a black lady. I mentioned it to my wife, and she pointed out the very oriental boy who was the son.

Do you have different feelings about black people from white people?

How it's been for me, marks, is that anyone of any race is a blood brother when it comes to war. Though I never faced combat, I came close to being sent over to Vietnam. Racism was always a danger to the forces over there, and you have to trust everybody if you want to have a chance at survival. I have no problems with racial intermarriage and there was a lot of that in the military.
 
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The cowards and chickenhawks are that way, Giuliano, which is unfortunate. I was wealthy enough to dodge military service. Most of the people who casually talk about a civil war don't know what they're getting into. With modern economies, there will be mass starvation in a civil war. And with modern weapons the killing will be very very easy.

Oh, so you are a coward as well. Depending on your wealth to keep you out of military service.

You are correct. Most don't know what 'civil war' will be like. Including you. It will not be mass starvation. It will be rutheless killing. And those who are the more rutheless, don't starve.

It's a war your people invited. Get used to it. You wanted it. You will get it.

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Bull****. There was no 'case law' that resulted in the Reconstruction amendments. Do your due diligence.

Stranger

The Reconstruction Amendments are a part of case law, Stranger. They've never been repealed.

Did you have the gumption to go to war when your turn came, Stranger? I'm curious.
 
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At this point who cares if the protestors are angry? They have set race relations back decades by thier actions. What do you want, anarchy? That's not going to be so happy for you when it's your neighborhood they trash.
So you blame the protesters and overlook the reasons for the protests. Are race relations going to improve by doing nothing when the police abuse their power? When a cop kills a black man by putting his foot on his throat, are silence and doing nothing the way to make things better? Your idea of improving race relations seems to be to tell oppressed people to suffer in silence. Things will get better if no one makes a fuss.

Your idea of good race relations seems a little off to me. Whatever happens to black people, your solution is for them to keep quiet and not do anything. Then if they do protest, you see the problem as being caused by them?
 
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Oh, so you are a coward as well. Depending on your wealth to keep you out of military service.

You are correct. Most don't know what 'civil war' will be like. Including you. It will not be mass starvation. It will be rutheless killing. And those who are the more rutheless, don't starve.

It's a war your people invited. Get used to it. You wanted it. You will get it.

Stranger

I must be getting tired, Stranger. Sorry about that I meant to say that I wasn't wealthy enough to keep out of military service. Sorry about the error.

You wouldn't survive a civil war. You hate too much. It would get you and your comrades killed by doing something foolish. Sorry, Stranger, that's not a war you want. You need to be detached from it to a certain extent, emotionally, to survive. I know. I was in the medical corps and remember the training.
 

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The Reconstruction Amendments are a part of case law, Stranger. They've never been repealed.

Did you have the gumption to go to war when your turn came, Stranger? I'm curious.

More bull****. No they are not. They are the result of forcing the Constitution to be changed by war. And even then they had to produce a dog and pony show to get it done. You don't know anything of history.

I wore the uniform of this country when it was unpopular to be in the military. I didn't need the approval of the masses to stand up.

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So you blame the protesters and overlook the reasons for the protests. Are race relations going to improve by doing nothing when the police abuse their power? When a cop kills a black man by putting his foot on his throat, are silence and doing nothing the way to make things better? Your idea of improving race relations seems to be to tell oppressed people to suffer in silence. Things will get better if no one makes a fuss.

Your idea of good race relations seems a little off to me. Whatever happens to black people, your solution is for them to keep quiet and not do anything. Then if they do protest, you see the problem as being caused by them?

Renniks, and also marks, have both denied being racists, Giuliano, but that is a good question.
 

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I must be getting tired, Stranger. Sorry about that I meant to say that I wasn't wealthy enough to keep out of military service. Sorry about the error.

You wouldn't survive a civil war. You hate too much. It would get you and your comrades killed by doing something foolish. Sorry, Stranger, that's not a war you want. You need to be detached from it to a certain extent, emotionally, to survive. I know. I was in the medical corps and remember the training.

No, you're just changing your story.

Sure you were.

I may not survive a civil war. Big deal. That doesn't change anything.

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More bull****. No they are not. They are the result of forcing the Constitution to be changed by war. And even then they had to produce a dog and pony show to get it done. You don't know anything of history.

I wore the uniform of this country when it was unpopular to be in the military. I didn't need the approval of the masses to stand up.

Stranger

So you made it to Vietnam, Stranger. That means you seen first hand the poison that racism does to an army. It leads to its betrayal. If you spoke then as you do now, I suppose we'd have treated you as a casualty at home, if you survived.

Hatred ruined the lives of many soldiers in that conflict. Too much hatred to fight the enemy.
 

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No, you're just changing your story.

Sure you were.

I may not survive a civil war. Big deal. That doesn't change anything.

Stranger

It may not matter to you, Stranger, but it would matter to your comrades, I think. They may think you're a liability to them and frag you on patrol or in the middle of the night. Not a happy ending to a supposed happy race war.

Hatred doesn't bring any happiness, Stranger. It only stretches out the unhappiness.
 

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So you made it to Vietnam, Stranger. That means you seen first hand the poison that racism does to an army. It leads to its betrayal. If you spoke then as you do now, I suppose we'd have treated you as a casualty at home, if you survived.

Hatred ruined the lives of many soldiers in that conflict. Too much hatred to fight the enemy.

Yes, black racism. It does lead to betrayal.

Why are you trying to change the subject? Focus on the hatred of BLM.

Focus on the civil war you will create that will be the demise of blacks in America.

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Yes, black racism. It does lead to betrayal.

Why are you trying to change the subject? Focus on the hatred of BLM.

Focus on the civil war you will create that will be the demise of blacks in America.

Stranger

So you hope and dream for the mass murder of blacks in America, Stranger? Is that why you hate BLM because you hate the civil rights accorded to those Americans?

You're an unhappy individual.
 

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It may not matter to you, Stranger, but it would matter to your comrades, I think. They may think you're a liability to them and frag you on patrol or in the middle of the night. Not a happy ending to a supposed happy race war.

Hatred doesn't bring any happiness, Stranger. It only stretches out the unhappiness.

But if there are no blacks in the patrol, there is no threat of being fragged.

Again, whether I live or die in the war is immaterial. That is the nature of war.

Who said any thing about a 'happy race war'. It will be brutal and rutheless. No mercy. Man, woman or child. That is the nature of race wars. The more rutheless you are, the better chance of you surviving.

You are surviving for your race. For your children and family. That they may go on. The other race sees you as an enemy and so you must destroy it.

Simple.

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The protesters are not all black…certainly a diverse group and most of the diversity in the United States are fine people…but…there are subcultures…there are fanatical groups that desire chaos, anarchy, and apocalypse. They have identified a group(s) called Antifa but that is not all that is in the mix. Then there is the extreme left that drools over killing babies and protecting criminals with sanctuary cities and giving illegal aliens equal status and promoting the legalization of drug use, and teaching atheism and communism in our schools and colleges. And then there is the George Floyd Incident.

After several arrests for theft and drug possession, Floyd was charged in 2007 with armed robber in a home invasion case; he agreed to a Plea deal in 2009 and was sentenced to five years in prison. He was paroled in 2013 after spending four years at a private state prison for men located in Diboll, Texas. After his release, he became involved with Resurrection Houston, a local ministry, where he mentored young men in a Christian church community.

Mentor!!? That is a laugh! He lived a life of drugs and violent crime and spent time in prison and his full autopsy indicated that he was still full of drugs when he died….ie… Fentanyl and Methamphetamine is a very cheap and popular combination of drugs, for drug addicts.

Nearly all of the sensationalized police brutality cases over the last 40 years involved black individuals resisting arrest. You rarely here of white individuals resisting arrest. In most of these instances the police are trying to use less intrusive means of subduing the individual, rather than their guns, but wrestling, batoning, and tasering sometimes looks more violent.

If a police officer decides to physically engage someone during an arrest he is risking bodily harm to himself. There is no need for this, we should not be expecting law enforcement to risk life and limb in the performance of their duties. Of course I am talking about any officer regardless of his or her skin color. Stop! Put your hands up and interlace your fingers behind your head! If you do not and you move toward the officer…he should but two rounds in your chest. Not wrestle with you…not baton you….not taser you.

If a police officer decides to physically engage someone during an arrest he risks having his gun taken from him and he could be killed as well as anyone near by. Then the gun can be used to kill others in acts of crime and murder.

Police should not physically engage persons that are being arrested. Tasers of various sorts are ineffective particularly if the individual is full of drugs. This was the case in the Rodney King arrest where he was pumped full of drugs. Rodney King should have been shot, not beat, when he attacked the officers they should have shot him. The baton beating looked much more violent and it was irresponsible of the officers because if he got a hold of one of their guns he could have killed a few of them. The fact of the matter is, arrest time is not the ringing of the bell for a wrestling match. It all comes down for respect for authority in a civilized society.

Police brutality is a misnomer. Most of the cities where ethnic violent crimes rage, are very leftist. In the courts the charges are usually dropped for the criminal if they can prove abuse and civil courts can easily make him a rich man. Look at the settlement that Rodney King received, 5.5 million dollars. Sign me up!

But still police brutality happens, but where is the sympathy for those that put their lives on the line to protect our families and our streets. If these protesters and rioters are any example of what they have to deal with I am not surprised by their actions. “They are just upset” a statement made by Obama as he justified the rioters of Ferguson that nearly burnt the town down. “They are just upset” Even the black leaders make them look like the restless natives in a Tarzan movie…One recently saying that destroying property is not violence and it is immoral to say so. All you have to do is watch and listen to some of the interviews with the protesters to see their mentality. Black lives matter!!! What an ignorant and totally racist thing to say! If white people yelled it, it would probably be considered a hate crime. If whites raised their hands and did a “white power” sign they would be screaming bloody murder!

Law enforcement is held to higher standard as well as they should be. When they cross the line they should be fired or if unlawful put in prison. Then again, in St. Louis, New York, Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, and cities like them several dozen black men are murdered every day. Not by white men, and not by police, black men killing black men, women, and children. Black children and babies being shot in their homes or front yards by drive by shooters or gun fights. It is all a tragedy but it outlines a character that we do not want to cater to or embrace in any way. There is nothing about this that is anything but evil. And the last thing we need to do is to accept it in action or character.

As it is a white police officers are 12 times more likely to shoot a white person than a black person. Headline news; Police officers in Minneapolis use force against black people seven times more than they use it against white people, according to data ... lol because the whites do not resist arrest as often….gotta watch the wording.

So this is not really about Police brutality it is more about their resentment for being punished for what they do and what they want to do. For being look down at by the majority of society for doing what they do and for doing what they want to do. They want their criminal subculture to be the culture, they want the gang rule. They want to force the majority to succumb to the gang rule and look at criminal activates as prestigious. The survival of the fittest or who has the larger gang. ie anarchy!
 
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On April 19, 1989 a white woman was gang raped….The Central Park jogger case was a criminal case based on the assault and gang rape of Trisha Meili, a 28-year-old white woman in Central Park, New York. Up to a dozen rapists participated and she was not the only one that was raped that night, three of the victims were raped by single assailants and they were black or Latino. Meili was so badly sodomized and injured that she was in a coma for 12 days. This was a raping rage. The participants in this rape rage were not all black and nor were their victims all white…does that make it better? Does that justify it?

When asked why so many were rampaging through the park raping women that night, they said it was a “wilding” something that white people would not understand. Now this happened a long time ago, but that is not my point….”the wilding”…is my point. The behavior that they expect us to understand and accept as normal….that it is good and it is in their nature and therefore they should not be punished for it. So there is no reason for police, let them do as they wish. It is considered prejudice not to accept them and their natural behavior. This is what it is all about. Too long have people looked down on them for murdering, raping, and stealing, looting, drug trafficking, and rioting. This should be considered good and if you do not agree, you are prejudice. “They did it because they were where upset!”

Defunding the police departments or getting rid of the police? I think the vast…vast…majority of blacks would oppose this…why? Most of the blacks….black families are fine people…the vast majority. Black families…White families….Latino families, it does not matter…most are hard working, tax paying citizens that do not want their families left at the mercy of the scum of the earth, it does not matter what color they are! And it is the scum of the earth that is pushing this. (Not to mention the various subversive groups that are out to fan the fire of chaos and anarchy and the extreme leftists in congress. Our American Communist Party)

At this point with all the negatively toward law enforcement I would not blame the police if they left the cities to burn. And without the police the firemen could not safely answer any calls. “Burn it all down!” was the battle cry of the blacks in Ferguson, Mo. (Another case of a black criminal resisting arrest who thought he would not get shot attacking an officer if he had his hands up.) Go talk to some of the blacks that have families and homes there and see if they appreciated that. That town is still yet to recover. Obama’s explanation, “They were just upset.” If we do not accept what they do when “they get upset” we are prejudice. What do you bet if the home owners and families, white or black, did anything to these people, that they would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The criminals, the rioters, the arsonists, the looters, the murderers, given a free pass. And you are prejudice if you say they should have been prosecuted. Coddle the criminals, protecting the criminals is becoming the rule of law.

What these protesters and rioters are against….they are against morals and good people. Good black people are just as concerned about this trend as anybody else. They do not want people like Floyd invading their homes, stealing what they have worked for and raping their families. They do not want people like Floyd pushing drugs on their kids. They do not want to live in a town where their families could be attacked going to Walmart or the grocery store, or shot down in their own front yard. These rioters are made up of all races, who knows what little girl might attract their attention.

If this keeps up most of the major stores, grocery stores, pharmacies, and corporations could move out of town. What would be left? No police, few jobs, no place to buy food, or get prescriptions filled. What do you think is going to happen? These are people that have day dreams of drugs, chaos, and anarchy, where it is the survival of the fittest and ruled by gangs.

The last thing we need to do is give in to these people, or give them anything. No reason to coddle the rioters, no reason to coddle criminals, no reason to subscribe to this subculture of gang rules.
 

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But if there are no blacks in the patrol, there is no threat of being fragged.

Again, whether I live or die in the war is immaterial. That is the nature of war.

Who said any thing about a 'happy race war'. It will be brutal and rutheless. No mercy. Man, woman or child. That is the nature of race wars. The more rutheless you are, the better chance of you surviving.

You are surviving for your race. For your children and family. That they may go on. The other race sees you as an enemy and so you must destroy it.

Simple.

Stranger

Is this your reason, Stranger, why you're against the BLM? Are you saying that the Republican Party's bestowal of citizenship and civil rights to blacks was a huge historical mistake that white people have made and that blacks should have been murdered, say, by the Confederacy?
 

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Is this your reason, Stranger, why you're against the BLM? Are you saying that the Republican Party's bestowal of citizenship and civil rights to blacks was a huge historical mistake that white people have made and that blacks should have been murdered, say, by the Confederacy?

When did the Confederacy seek to murder all the blacks?

More bull****.

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On April 19, 1989 a white woman was gang raped….The Central Park jogger case was a criminal case based on the assault and gang rape of Trisha Meili, a 28-year-old white woman in Central Park, New York. Up to a dozen rapists participated and she was not the only one that was raped that night, three of the victims were raped by single assailants and they were black or Latino. Meili was so badly sodomized and injured that she was in a coma for 12 days. This was a raping rage. The participants in this rape rage were not all black and nor were their victims all white…does that make it better? Does that justify it?

When asked why so many were rampaging through the park raping women that night, they said it was a “wilding” something that white people would not understand. Now this happened a long time ago, but that is not my point….”the wilding”…is my point. The behavior that they expect us to understand and accept as normal….that it is good and it is in their nature and therefore they should not be punished for it. So there is no reason for police, let them do as they wish. It is considered prejudice not to accept them and their natural behavior. This is what it is all about. Too long have people looked down on them for murdering, raping, and stealing, looting, drug trafficking, and rioting. This should be considered good and if you do not agree, you are prejudice. “They did it because they were where upset!”

Defunding the police departments or getting rid of the police? I think the vast…vast…majority of blacks would oppose this…why? Most of the blacks….black families are fine people…the vast majority. Black families…White families….Latino families, it does not matter…most are hard working, tax paying citizens that do not want their families left at the mercy of the scum of the earth, it does not matter what color they are! And it is the scum of the earth that is pushing this. (Not to mention the various subversive groups that are out to fan the fire of chaos and anarchy and the extreme leftists in congress. Our American Communist Party)

At this point with all the negatively toward law enforcement I would not blame the police if they left the cities to burn. And without the police the firemen could not safely answer any calls. “Burn it all down!” was the battle cry of the blacks in Ferguson, Mo. (Another case of a black criminal resisting arrest who thought he would not get shot attacking an officer if he had his hands up.) Go talk to some of the blacks that have families and homes there and see if they appreciated that. That town is still yet to recover. Obama’s explanation, “They were just upset.” If we do not accept what they do when “they get upset” we are prejudice. What do you bet if the home owners and families, white or black, did anything to these people, that they would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The criminals, the rioters, the arsonists, the looters, the murderers, given a free pass. And you are prejudice if you say they should have been prosecuted. Coddle the criminals, protecting the criminals is becoming the rule of law.

What these protesters and rioters are against….they are against morals and good people. Good black people are just as concerned about this trend as anybody else. They do not want people like Floyd invading their homes, stealing what they have worked for and raping their families. They do not want people like Floyd pushing drugs on their kids. They do not want to live in a town where their families could be attacked going to Walmart or the grocery store, or shot down in their own front yard. These rioters are made up of all races, who knows what little girl might attract their attention.

If this keeps up most of the major stores, grocery stores, pharmacies, and corporations could move out of town. What would be left? No police, few jobs, no place to buy food, or get prescriptions filled. What do you think is going to happen? These are people that have day dreams of drugs, chaos, and anarchy, where it is the survival of the fittest and ruled by gangs.

The last thing we need to do is give in to these people, or give them anything. No reason to coddle the rioters, no reason to coddle criminals, no reason to subscribe to this subculture of gang rules.

Grailhunter, please look at my summary argumentation on an earlier page. The issues around the BLM are more complex than you're thinking. If you take away the right of assembly for one class of people, you can take away all of the other civil rights for everybody else. You don't want tyranny in America.
 
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