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bukka

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This posting still stands:

Since I've been flooded with postings meant to annoy me and to make answering difficult, I will wait to see if marks and Rennik can answer the following:

I have taken the positions of these two posters to their simple logical conclusion. This is done to show the falsity of their positions. At bottom, both of these posters are still defaming lawful citizens, equating them with the criminals that have infiltrated their assemblies. This position of these posters has not changed. I cannot accept the defamation of lawful protesters exercising their constitutional right of assembly to seek redress of grievances, particularly that of police murder and voter suppression.

So I asked these posters, do you hold all gun owners responsible for the criminals that infiltrate their ranks to possess and use firearms to commit crimes such as robbery or murder? Are you sure about this? Do you want your guns taken away from you. This is another application of the logic these posters are using. I have continued to ask, why you can't be morally consistent? Again, the logical conclusion of your arguments so far, is that you want to take away the Bill of Rights from Americans.

Are you angry that the Bill of Rights are in the hands of a race different from yourself? I have to wonder that. It's getting more and more like it is. I don't know why you hate the Bill of Rights except that it may be cherished by people you don't like.

I have always asserted that BLM was not a specifically Christian organization. I do not believe that civil rights be based upon religious belief; and, in state religions of any type. I don't think that churches should be dependent upon governmental tax dollars with the ministers being appointed or confirmed to their office by the government. I think that is something that is set up for anti-christ.

I THINK THE POSTERS ARE NOT ANSWERING ME BECAUSE THEY CANNOT ANSWER ME. THE LOGIC IS IRREFUTABLE AND SO THEY SEEK TO HARASS AND ANNOY ME AND AVOID ANY TYPE OF LOGICAL ARGUMENTATION.

Again I ask, why not consider the Golden Rule for a change? This is the moral basis for the right of assembly specifically, and for the Bill of Rights, generally. Let us follow Christ and love others as we wish ourselves to be loved. The Golden Rule establishes equity in law.
 

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Grailhunter, please look at my summary argumentation on an earlier page. The issues around the BLM are more complex than you're thinking. If you take away the right of assembly for one class of people, you can take away all of the other civil rights for everybody else. You don't want tyranny in America.
Never did I say, nor think that anyone should be denied the right of assembly or peaceful protests. But protest does not include rioting, looting, destruction of property, attacking law enforcement officers, and or murder. Hopefully you do not equate one with the other.
 

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So you blame the protesters and overlook the reasons for the protests. Are race relations going to improve by doing nothing when the police abuse their power? When a cop kills a black man by putting his foot on his throat, are silence and doing nothing the way to make things better? Your idea of improving race relations seems to be to tell oppressed people to suffer in silence. Things will get better if no one makes a fuss.

Your idea of good race relations seems a little off to me. Whatever happens to black people, your solution is for them to keep quiet and not do anything. Then if they do protest, you see the problem as being caused by them?
There's no black and white people in my view. That's the problem with this whole mess, the perception that when a man is unjustly killed, it just has to be about race. Nevermind that there were multiple races among the officers involved. How does one injustice lead to multiple injustices by all the people yelling " Black lives matter"?
How do they justify trashing cities? It's not even about race, that's just the excuse for the criminals to get away with anything.
 

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You misquoted what I posted, Stranger. You must be getting tired too.

First of all, I didn't quote you.

Second of all, no, I am not tired.

Third of all, again, when did the Confederacy seek to murder all blacks? It is your statement. So tell me.

Stranger
 

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You're (n*****s) the ones wanting to start the war. I am warning you if you continue, this is the way it will end up.

Law and order are the only things holding back the dam against you. But your people are too ignorant to see it. So they attempt to destroy law and order and give the n*****s free reign to run amuck.

So be it. As you said before, 'you reap what you sow'.

Stranger

I missed this posting, Stranger. Sorry about that. Couldn't this also work the other way. Remember, more blacks have service training in the military than whites. I think that this is not something any sane person wants at all.
 

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There's no black and white people in my view. That's the problem with this whole mess, the perception that when a man is unjustly killed, it just has to be about race.
So when the KKK was lynching black men, that was not about race? You know it was; and you ought to know that racism remains a problem. I agree with you it shouldn't be about race, but it still is in some quarters.
 

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Never did I say, nor think that anyone should be denied the right of assembly or peaceful protests. But protest does not include rioting, looting, destruction of property, attacking law enforcement officers, and or murder. Hopefully you do not equate one with the other.

I don't Grailhunter. See post #703.
 

bukka

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First of all, I didn't quote you.

Second of all, no, I am not tired.

Third of all, again, when did the Confederacy seek to murder all blacks? It is your statement. So tell me.

Stranger

You misquoted me, Stranger. I asked if you thought that the Confederacy should have murdered all the blacks. Of course, if the Confederacy did this, they would lose their monetary investment in slaves and totally destroy the Southern slave economy.
 

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Socialism? That's what we're getting from the Republicans if you pay attention. We do not have free enterprise or capitalism anymore. We have state run enterprise to benefit the fat cats -- very similar to the Chinese and Russian models. Corporations don't save money anymore. Few have cash reserves, many are heavily in debt. They can do that because if times get rough, the government will bail them out.

The big corporations are going to get richer as a result of coronavirus and the recession because smaller businesses are going to go bankrupt. That means more dollars to the big businesses. For example, if you used to shop in mom-and-pop stores, you may find they don't survive. That will mean you'll have to shop at the big stores owned by big corporations.

The movie "No Safe Spaces" shows where Dennis Prager said something interesting, and true! Don't most all Americans want Freedom and Liberty? He said something akin to.., "No! most people will vote to have someone take care of them."

Are people willing to give up their Rights for security? The popularity of Socialism and Government womb to tomb care is swiftly becoming a danger to our Constitution, Way of Government, and people think that it will take care of them as some false hope of Utopia!
 

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Again, you're the ones starting it. Just know what it will be like when it starts. There will be no law to turn to. There will be no 'civil rights' to turn to.

As I said before, you n*****s are s******g in your own bird nest. But, that is what you do best.

Stranger

You're a very unhappy person, Stranger. Do you think you should go on further. I think everyone knows that you've made your position known in this thread.
 

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You misquoted me, Stranger. I asked if you thought that the Confederacy should have murdered all the blacks. Of course, if the Confederacy did this, they would lose their monetary investment in slaves and totally destroy the Southern slave economy.

No, I didn't misquote you as I didn't quote you. Again, where did the Confederacy seek to murder all the blacks?

Stranger
 

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So when the KKK was lynching black men, that was not about race? You know it was; and you ought to know that racism remains a problem. I agree with you it shouldn't be about race, but it still is in some quarters.
Lol, switching subjects is telling me you know I'm right.
I don't support the KKK or any other racist group, including BLM.
What happened before I was born has nothing to do with the subject.
You are never going to get rid of peoples sins, including racism. But we all have the same rights in this country.
People are just using the race card to unleash thier violence and hostility towards the world.
 

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You're a very unhappy person, Stranger. Do you think you should go on further. I think everyone knows that you've made your position known in this thread.

Unhappiness is neither here or there. What a silly statement.

I can go as long as I feel it is necessary. Why, does that bother you? Of course it does.

Sorry, you won't be free of me that easy.

Stranger
 

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Lol, switching subjects is telling me you know I'm right.
I don't support the KKK or any other racist group, including BLM.
What happened before I was born has nothing to do with the subject.
You are never going to get rid of peoples sins, including racism. But we all have the same rights in this country.
People are just using the race card to unleash thier violence and hostility towards the world.

BLM is not a racist group, but advocates civil rights. This has been proven already in the summary argumentation: I have taken the positions of these two posters to their simple logical conclusion. This is done to show the falsity of their positions. At bottom, both of these posters are still defaming lawful citizens, equating them with the criminals that have infiltrated their assemblies. This position of these posters has not changed. I cannot accept the defamation of lawful protesters exercising their constitutional right of assembly to seek redress of grievances, particularly that of police murder and voter suppression.

So I asked these posters, do you hold all gun owners responsible for the criminals that infiltrate their ranks to possess and use firearms to commit crimes such as robbery or murder? Are you sure about this? Do you want your guns taken away from you. This is another application of the logic these posters are using. I have continued to ask, why you can't be morally consistent? Again, the logical conclusion of your arguments so far, is that you want to take away the Bill of Rights from Americans.

Are you angry that the Bill of Rights are in the hands of a race different from yourself? I have to wonder that. It's getting more and more like it is. I don't know why you hate the Bill of Rights except that it may be cherished by people you don't like.
 

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Thank you for your post, marks. Trump is deeply venerated by many of his followers as another "christ" or "anointed one". I was just wondering again how far that veneration goes. If someone thinks that Trump is a "christ", they may ascribe this thing about toileting and many other miracles to him. I suppose further stories are floating around.

I do have an agenda. I want Christ restored to his rightful place as Savior and Lord of his church among people who call themselves conservatives. I want them to act like Christians again. I want the idols of hatred, selfishness, anarchy, and false "christs" be cast aside.

I thank you, marks, for your wondering. I appreciate thoughtfulness and kindness where-ever I encounter it. Thanks again!

There is a Pendulum that swings. The only Messianic view of Trump you see is propagated to offset the extreme Leftist Media's obsession with destroying him! You can't see anything right with his personality or policies, why should I see anything wrong with him and his policies? If the Pendulum is pegged to the Left in the Media, you will see an equal response to the right to offset it!

So much for the Leftist Media's sycophantic Idol Worship of Obama!
 
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Unhappiness is neither here or there. What a silly statement.

I can go as long as I feel it is necessary. Why, does that bother you? Of course it does.

Sorry, you won't be free of me that easy.

Stranger

You can stay if you want, Stranger. I suspect that those who are not racists and are not happy with my arguments may quietly have a different point of view. I had to ask for them just out of fairness for them. Its that Jesus wants me to follow the Golden Rule and do to others as I would have them do to me.
 
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There is a Pendulum that swings. The only Messianic view of Trump you see is propagated to offset the extreme Leftist Media's obsession with destroying him! You can't see anything right with his personality or policies, why should i see anything wrong with him and his policies? If the Pendulum is pegged to the Left in the Media, you will see an equal response to the right to offset it!

So much for the Leftist Media's sycophantic Idol Worship of Obama!

This is not part of the OP Candidus. This is not about Obama and Trump. This is about the BLM.
 

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You can stay if you want, Stranger. I suspect that those who are not racists and are not happy with my arguments may quietly have a different point of view. I had to ask them just out of fairness for them. Its that Jesus wants me to follow the Golden Rule and do to others as I would have them do to me.

Gee thanks. I really was needing your approval. Not...nausea.

Yes, play your Jesus card as you do the race card. Many may fall for it. I am not one of them.

Stranger
 
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Gee thanks. I really was needing your approval. Not...nausea.

Yes, play your Jesus card as you do the race card. Many may fall for it. I am not one of them.

Stranger

It's tough to live in a world without love, isn't it, Stranger? Christ died on the cross for our sins and because of this, because of the forgiveness we receive, we can be grateful, and have patience for others, especially those in their sins. As a Christian, I try to witness for Christ when I'm so moved. Is it the case that no one has ever witnessed to you about Christ, Stranger? Has no one been concerned about you hatred and the lack of love and happiness in your life? If that has been the case, that is rather sad.
 
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Because the N*****s don't care about law. All they care about is N*****s. Thus OJ is set free. A 'white lynching' was avoided.

It doesn't matter if the black is guilty or not. What matters to the N *****s is that he is set free.

Stranger
Racial slurs are uncalled for! Come on, Stranger, this only foments more hatred! Get a grip!
 
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