Stan B
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Calling President Trump a serial liar says a whole lot more about you than it says about him!
Trump using the Bible as a prop...
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Prayer Warrior
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What you’re saying is true. Trump has made some glaring mistakes. I think encouraging the nationwide lockdown is his biggest to date, and I have said this over and over.
But there are a few members on this forum who seem to hate him. They have mercilessly mocked him no matter what he does. They refuse to acknowledge that he has done some good things.
When Trump took office, he made sure that he worked closely with the Christian community in America. We have heard this from a number of Christian leaders who were invited to work with him when he set out to restore the rights of Christians being trampled, like the Christian baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay wedding and was sued by individuals who set him up and then by his state.
I had big misgivings about Melania being First Lady and still do, but the MSM has been ruthless in there attacks on her and their young son even though the MSM acted like Obama’s children were off limits to attack (as they should be).
I could go on and on about how vicious the personal attacks have been against Trump and his whole family. Sometimes enough is enough. Attack his polices as POTUS, yes!!! But I’m done with the vicious personal attacks, especially from Christians.
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Prayer Warrior
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My understanding is that the church in the “photo op” had been attacked by protesters and set on fire. Whatever else you might say about Trump, he has shown respect for Christianity and has supported our ally Israel.
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Nancy
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I hear you Rita, I think something might be going on in his brain, I know he doesn't drink anymore, but there was some speech he gave a while back and he kept mixing up his words and slurring as well. Of course, that doesn't mean he has a brain tumor but, could be many other reasons as I'm sure you know.
xo
John Caldwell
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I do like Trump and support a lot of what he has accomplished and seeks to accomplish. But with the Bible, I believe he is pandering. I hope I am wrong, but it seems that this "conversion" has been mostly if not entirely for political gain as his platform mostly aligns with the Christian conservative view. Nonetheless he is my President and I support him. It is refreshing to have someone who is pro-life in office.
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I have a post-graduate degree in Politics and have been involved in the political process for 40 years. I have yet to meet one single parliamentarian who does not pander to everything and anything if there is a vote in it.
The exception is the politician who is firmly of the opinion that abortion is murder. I was asked that when I stood for election and my answer was unequivable. I do not support abortion in any shape or form.
John Caldwell
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I am a bit apolitical in the sense that I simply do not care about most of the issues (at least as it relates to politics). But the one factor that does influence my vote is abortion. Were all politicians equally against abortion then perhaps I'd go to a second priority, but that has not happened.
Is God using Mr Trump "to restore the rights of Christians that were lost during the previous administration" ? In a word, No. How can this be known ? Well, Mr Trump is amoral, egocentric, tells falsehoods without flinching, is "part and parcel" with what Revelation 13:1, 2 says is the political "wild beast" (see Dan 7:1-8 that shows what symbolic "wild beasts" are) that is under the direct influence or manipulation of the "dragon" or Satan the Devil, so that anyone who is in any "form or fashion" touching the political system is worshipping Satan.(see Rev 13:4 that says that "they (peoples of the earth) worshipped the dragon because it gave authority (or gave its power) to the wild beast, and they worshipped the wild beast")
At Revelation 13:16-18, it says that anyone who is "marked on their right hand (not a literal mark, but means being actively engaged in the political system, such as through voting, running for political office, campaigning for a political candidate, being part of a politicians entourage or "house", pledging allegiance to the flag, giving it a "hand" of support, etc) or on their forehead (having any personal mental feelings for the political system, such as suggesting this or that political candidate, while rejecting others due to perhaps political party considerations) and nobody can buy or sell except a person having the (symbolic) mark (of being part of the political system in heart and mind), the name of the wild beast (that represents divisive and beastly nationalism, segregating peoples one from another) or the number of its name. This is where it calls for (godly) wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man's number (imperfect, showing it is deeply flawed, unable to bring global peace or salvation to its members), and its number is 666 (1 short of the perfect or complete number of 7 [see Jos 6, whereby the nation of Israel marched around Jericho for seven days and on the seventh day, seven times so that then the city was destroyed, bringing God's destructive purpose for the city to completion or seven days is a complete week, as established by God], that God (whose personal name is Jehovah, Isa 26:4) fixed permanently in the garden of Eden as being complete, such as seven "creative" days to bring to fulfillment of the earth becoming a paradise for "meek" ones", Gen 2:1-3; Matt 5:5, and in which when the seventh "creative" day is finished, the earth will be filled with "meek" ones who "will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace......forever" [Ps 37:11, 29), completing his everlasting purpose for the earth to be filled with righteous ones who "love the name of Jehovah, Isa 56:6, who say: "I belong to Jehovah", Isa 44:5)
How many have read Jesus words to his eleven faithful apostles and grasps what it means: "These things I command you, that you love one another (which the world of politics destroys, creating nothing but infighting, constant bickering, never ending arguments, disagreements and personal attacks such as what Mr Trump does on a regular basis)......If you were part of the world (with its "deadly, dirty, and divisive" politics), the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world (having left behind the "divided house" of politics, among other things, to come into Jehovah's congregation, and in which the word "congregation" (Greek ecclesia) means "called out", so that true Christians are "called out" from Satan's world into his loyal body of people who are holy (Lev 19:2; 1 Pet 1:15, 16), apart from the world of politics, and of the false religions of the world called by the mystic name of Babylon the Great [Rev 17:5] and of greedy commerce called by the name of "the merchants of the earth", Rev 18:11), but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you" ?
And who has read James 4:4 that says: "Adulteresses (or those who have adulterated what is "clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father", James 1:27), do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God ? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world (and its politics) is making himself an enemy of God" ?
When Jesus was standing before Pontius Pilate, he told him: "My Kingdom is no part of the world (or not part of the "mix" with political governments). If my Kingdom were part of the world, my attendants would have fought (that always happens in the world of politics, mud-slinging, stabbing in the back, etc) that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source".(John 18:36)
So, the political "wild beast" or political arena and even any who are just "in spirit" attached to it, are in opposition to Jehovah God, whereby "nations (are) agitated and the peoples (of the different political ideologies all over the earth, from communism, to socialism, to monarchy to democracy) are muttering an empty thing (of how to keep their political system functioning, but is empty because it leads to death)".(Ps 2:1; see Prov 14:12)
The "kings of the earth" will soon "take their stand and high officials gather together as one, against Jehovah and his anointed one (Jesus Christ). They say: "Let us tear off their shackles and throw off their ropes".(Ps 2:2, 3) This will occur when they destroy the false religions of the world or Babylon the Great, as seen at Revelation 17:16, 17 and culminates in the "war of the great day of God the Almighty" that is called Armageddon, in which they are then "crushed" out of existence to make way for God's Kingdom to become "a large mountain, and it filled the whole earth".(Dan 2:35, 44; Rev 16:14, 16)
At Revelation 13:16-18, it says that anyone who is "marked on their right hand (not a literal mark, but means being actively engaged in the political system, such as through voting, running for political office, campaigning for a political candidate, being part of a politicians entourage or "house", pledging allegiance to the flag, giving it a "hand" of support, etc) or on their forehead (having any personal mental feelings for the political system, such as suggesting this or that political candidate, while rejecting others due to perhaps political party considerations) and nobody can buy or sell except a person having the (symbolic) mark (of being part of the political system in heart and mind), the name of the wild beast (that represents divisive and beastly nationalism, segregating peoples one from another) or the number of its name. This is where it calls for (godly) wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man's number (imperfect, showing it is deeply flawed, unable to bring global peace or salvation to its members), and its number is 666 (1 short of the perfect or complete number of 7 [see Jos 6, whereby the nation of Israel marched around Jericho for seven days and on the seventh day, seven times so that then the city was destroyed, bringing God's destructive purpose for the city to completion or seven days is a complete week, as established by God], that God (whose personal name is Jehovah, Isa 26:4) fixed permanently in the garden of Eden as being complete, such as seven "creative" days to bring to fulfillment of the earth becoming a paradise for "meek" ones", Gen 2:1-3; Matt 5:5, and in which when the seventh "creative" day is finished, the earth will be filled with "meek" ones who "will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace......forever" [Ps 37:11, 29), completing his everlasting purpose for the earth to be filled with righteous ones who "love the name of Jehovah, Isa 56:6, who say: "I belong to Jehovah", Isa 44:5)
How many have read Jesus words to his eleven faithful apostles and grasps what it means: "These things I command you, that you love one another (which the world of politics destroys, creating nothing but infighting, constant bickering, never ending arguments, disagreements and personal attacks such as what Mr Trump does on a regular basis)......If you were part of the world (with its "deadly, dirty, and divisive" politics), the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world (having left behind the "divided house" of politics, among other things, to come into Jehovah's congregation, and in which the word "congregation" (Greek ecclesia) means "called out", so that true Christians are "called out" from Satan's world into his loyal body of people who are holy (Lev 19:2; 1 Pet 1:15, 16), apart from the world of politics, and of the false religions of the world called by the mystic name of Babylon the Great [Rev 17:5] and of greedy commerce called by the name of "the merchants of the earth", Rev 18:11), but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you" ?
And who has read James 4:4 that says: "Adulteresses (or those who have adulterated what is "clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father", James 1:27), do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God ? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world (and its politics) is making himself an enemy of God" ?
When Jesus was standing before Pontius Pilate, he told him: "My Kingdom is no part of the world (or not part of the "mix" with political governments). If my Kingdom were part of the world, my attendants would have fought (that always happens in the world of politics, mud-slinging, stabbing in the back, etc) that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source".(John 18:36)
So, the political "wild beast" or political arena and even any who are just "in spirit" attached to it, are in opposition to Jehovah God, whereby "nations (are) agitated and the peoples (of the different political ideologies all over the earth, from communism, to socialism, to monarchy to democracy) are muttering an empty thing (of how to keep their political system functioning, but is empty because it leads to death)".(Ps 2:1; see Prov 14:12)
The "kings of the earth" will soon "take their stand and high officials gather together as one, against Jehovah and his anointed one (Jesus Christ). They say: "Let us tear off their shackles and throw off their ropes".(Ps 2:2, 3) This will occur when they destroy the false religions of the world or Babylon the Great, as seen at Revelation 17:16, 17 and culminates in the "war of the great day of God the Almighty" that is called Armageddon, in which they are then "crushed" out of existence to make way for God's Kingdom to become "a large mountain, and it filled the whole earth".(Dan 2:35, 44; Rev 16:14, 16)
In case you have not noticed it has gone far beyond disagreement. Trump Derangement Syndrome is a VISCERAL HATRED for Trump because his slogan and his goal was to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. And the Leftists and Globalists worldwide hate America and wish to bring it down. The evidence is now before you since the riots began.
Also, in case you were not aware, British intelligence and British politicians were also involved in the coup to take down Trump. And many on the Left have even been speaking about assassinating Trump. Were God's hand not over Trump (for all his foibles and failures) he would have been assassinated.
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quietthinker, the problem is that since the Western media have made it a standard operating procedure to lie about everything, the MSM were also telling lies about the protests and riots.
If BLM was truly peaceful it would have publicly announced that it has nothing to do with Antifa, and would not allow Antifa any room for their anarchistic activities. In fact they would have made sure that there was absolutely no looting, rioting, arson, or violence against the police or innocent citizens. They would have even asked the police to prevent any such insurrection, rather than telling the world to defund the police.
As a matter of fact, Christians need to carefully analyze what these so-called *protests* were all about. No one protested when Donald Trump was being falsely accused and harassed for over three years. No one protested when Michael Flynn was unjustly accused for over three years. And no one has apologized for all the false narratives about these men and others.
Stan B
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Sound as if you are a good and faithful servant of the god you worship. A god who hates the one God appointed to rule over America, and will do everything within his power to destroy God's Anointed One.
But then there is the True God, who is sometimes mentioned on this forum, and He says: “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
Stan B
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All this verbiage could have simply been summarized by you simply declaring "I hate Trump!" Not a Christian ethic, but apparently an ethic promoted by your god.
Black leader unleashes on media at White House: 'Quit lying' about Trump
'Jackson said they're "putting more poison into the black community than any drug dealer."'
Black leader unleashes on media at White House: 'Quit lying' about Trump - WND
The media have been lying about the rioting because they want anarchy in America. Christians should be searching out the truth.
Pollak on ‘Red November’: Black Lives Matter Attacks America’s Institutions, Not Just Police
“I went to [Santa Monica] the morning after the riots,” Pollak continued, “I will never forget the sight of the graffiti on the library, and the graffiti said, ‘Save a life, kill a cop.’
Pollak on 'Red November': Black Lives Matter Attacks America's Institutions, Not Just Police
John Caldwell
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I said that I like and support President Trump and his platform. This does not mean I worship President Trump. He does not represent my faith, only my political platform. Stop bowing down to the Democrat Party.
That is the problem with you anti-Trump folk. You deny the legitimacy of Trump's presidency.
I worship the same God you worship. I serve the same God you serve. God appointed President Trump, put him in power, whether you like it or not.
As a Christian I know that God appointed President Trump, Nancy Pelosi (as Speaker of the House), and previously appointed Obama, Clinton, and Bush. God uplifts people in these roles for His purposes.
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You are beginning to sound like an old record Enoch - and as far as the label is concerned, I was referring to anyone who posts anything negative on here about him being given that label. Also the fact that you keep bringing up the British just because you are talking to me doesn’t actually have any impact - why would I be surprised by what you have shared, the powers that be are all over the place.
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They say that he didn't have a choice. He is the President. Whenever something dramatic happens they whisk the president ( and Queen) to a safe place because they are the 'leaders'. They are told, not asked.
I don't think he has as many choices as we think he has, he's no more 'free' than the Queen is.
Im sure that is why he Twitters so much...and...sadly puts his foot in his mouth so many times.
People may hate him.... but the ALTERNATIVE is horrifying!!
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Prayer Warrior
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Hi, Rita, I don’t know if you’re ignoring me, but I gave you an explanation for why I said this. The bottom line is I’m tired of the hateful comments about Trump.
Edit: I will add that I don’t think a Christian forum is the place for any hateful comments to or about anyone.
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Looks like you don't like the truth when you hear it. Christians at least should be dedicated to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Since at least 2003 the mainstream Western media have been feeding the Western world one lie after another. After 2017, there was literally a CAMPAIGN of disinformation from the MSM. Did you read about what has happened recently at the New York Times because Tom Cotton stated the truth and it was published by the NYT? The editor involved had to resign!
We were all counting on the media to report facts and truth, and they betrayed their trust. They should all have been fired or behind bars for inciting sedition and hatred against conservative and Christian values, while promoting and everything Islamist or Leftist.
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