Sufficency of Scripture

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justbyfaith

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Feel free to disagree with another's beliefs. Do NOT feel free to misrepresent them and hence bear false witness.

1 Nephi 22

30 Wherefore, my brethren, I would that ye should consider that the things which have been written upon the plates of brass are true; and they testify that a man must be obedient to the commandments of God.

31 Wherefore, ye need not suppose that I and my father are the only ones that have testified, and also taught them. Wherefore, if ye shall be obedient to the commandments, and endure to the end, ye shall be saved at the last day. And thus it is. Amen.

As opposed to this:

Gal 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Jas 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Mat 5:48, Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Gal 5:3, For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4, Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 
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Do you have a problem with Christ and the Holy Spirit. You do know thee ris only one way to heaven and it isnt teh bible.
It is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6); and the Bible testifies of Him.

While Jesus is physically away from us, our means of having a relationship with Him is through reading His love letter to us, wouldn't you say?

I'm still waiting for you to post your testimony.
 
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No; because you must have the right Jesus, the right gospel, and the right spirit in order to be saved (2 Corinthians 11:3-4).

And we have not been over this THOROUGHLY.
*sign*
I'll respond via PM, rather than making with "Mormon bashing thread #7252".
 

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I am talking to you directly...and publicly...the way the Lord would have it.
*sigh*
No, talking to me directly would be one-on-one.
Let me know when you're up for that.

@justbyfaith, Edit to add scripture: "15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. " Matthew 15:18 (emphasis mine)
 

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It is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6); and the Bible testifies of Him.
What dont you have Christ. I guess that is why HE says, " you wont come to Me so I can give you Life". We have the bible Jesus sorry your not required neither is Gods Spirit. Where smart look we corupted teh world and we did a damn good job of corupting God.
 
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What dont you have Christ. I guess that is why HE says, " you wont come to Me so I can give you Life". We have the bible Jesus sorry your not required neither is Gods Spirit. Where smart look we corupted teh world and we did a damn good job of corupting God.
Yep.

Scripture is God's words to us. It is "God breathed".

But a few here have placed their philosophy over Scripture and Scripture over Christ.

Jesus Christ is God's fullest revelation of Himself - the Word. Christ saves - not Scripture. Scripture did not shed its pages to redeem us. Christ shed His blood.

You have identified the problem here. These guys have a philosophy. They use Scripture to back up their philosophy. Somewhere in the mix Christ was punished to take care of man's sins.... well, the lucky chosen anyway.
 

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What dont you have Christ. I guess that is why HE says, " you wont come to Me so I can give you Life".
It would seem that you think that people who hold the Bible to be the word of the Lord do not have Christ.

That is a misinterpretation of John 5:39-40.

It should be clear that every true, born again believer in Christ holds the Bible to be the inspired word of God; and also that every true, born again believer looks to the word of the Lord for guidance.

We do not have the physical Jesus Christ right in front of us, so that we can receive guidance from Him directly.

He has given us His Holy Spirit; and His Spirit speaks to us through His word.

If you are believing that the Lord is speaking to you through some sort of voice in your head, you are very likely being deceived (and you probably need to go to a psychiatrist).

Without the word of the Lord for us to be able to gauge the truth, we are subject to deception all over the place.

The Bible is the standard by which we know the truth (John 17:17).
 
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Scripture is God's words to us. It is "God breathed".

Why do many put words into Gods mouth as if He spoke all the words in the bible, how would men feel if some one ran around telling the world that someone said something they didnt actually say, Thank God for His patients with ignorant men.
 

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It should be clear that every true, born again believer in Christ holds the Bible to be the inspired word of God; and also that every true, born again believer looks to the word of the Lord for guidance.
That is "men" thinking has nothing to do with God. We look to Christ and Gods Spirit for guidance, but that takes faith and believing in the reality of the "living" Christ.

God never stopped speaking men just stopped listening. Listen but cant hear.
 

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Why do many put words into Gods mouth as if He spoke all the words in the bible, how would men feel if some one ran around telling the world that someone said something they didnt actually say, Thank God for His patients with ignorant men.
They use "God-breathed" (literally divinely breathed) because that is the derivitive of θεόπνευστος which we translate "inspired".

I think the reason is that Jesus Christ treated the OT as God's Word. In the NT Jesus told the Disciples God (the Spirit) would tell them (bring to their mind) what to write. Paul also makes distinctions when something he writes is his view rather than God's words to him.
 
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What dont you have Christ. I guess that is why HE says, " you wont come to Me so I can give you Life". We have the bible Jesus sorry your not required neither is Gods Spirit. Where smart look we corupted teh world and we did a damn good job of corupting God.
An issue is people can believe Scripture is the Word of God and still not have Christ (or be "in Christ). Jesus spoke of this in Matthew -" workers in the field" who are "unknown" by the One they believe they serve.

Some have a religion based in Scripture, theology and philosophy rather than on Christ Himself.
 
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Jesus taught from the law, the prophets,and the psalms in Luke 24.
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,


The Apostles had the OT. as scripture.2 tim3:16-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Jesus promised them they would be guided into ALL TRUTH
They were.The apostolic writings complete revelation.


what are you trying to say? you haven't addressed the question at all. somebody wrote down hence documented the scriptures what did they go by?
 
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