The real gospel.

justbyfaith · Jun 12, 2020

It seems to me that there are two irreconcilable attributes in the heart of God:

1) Justice; which requires that the exact punishment be meted out for crimes committed;

and,

2) Mercy; which desires that less than what is deserved be meted out as punishment.

Justice and mercy meet at the Cross.

Jesus, dying in the place of us, took the penalty for our sins in order that justice might be satisfied and mercy also might be given; for He took the due penalty for our sins.

This is what is preached as THE GOSPEL by many who are included in the orthodox branch of what is termed Christianity today.

If it is not really the gospel, then these preachers are guilty of misleading the majority of those who have become Christians.

If this is not the gospel, then I would ask you, what is?

There is going to have to be something that is going to fill the vacuum that is left when you strip away what is commonly referred to as the gospel by saying that it is false doctrine.

So, anyone who denies the doctrine of Penal Substitutionary Atonement, please, by all means, preach to us what is THE REAL GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST that replaces what has been preached as the gospel by the majority of evangelists for the past 4 centuries at least.

I hope that you have something that you define as the real gospel to replace it?

Because if you don't, then you are asking us to accept the idea that there is NO REAL GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST which we are to believe in unto salvation.

I would say to you unequivocally that such a thing is unacceptable.

justbyfaith · Jun 12, 2020

Originally posted to those who deny Penal Substitutionary Atonement:

Please realize that the Bible teaches that you have sinned and come short of the glory of God; and that the wages of sin is death.

That means that God in His justice has no recourse but to sentence you to death.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is that Jesus died on the Cross in your place and in doing so, He took your death sentence upon Himself; and that this is the Lord's provision so that you can be forgiven.

Therefore if Jesus did not take your death sentence, you are not forgiven.

For God does not arbitrarily forgive people out of hand just because they say that they won't do it again.

Jer 13:23, Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

The fact is, that you are sinners; and your turning over a new leaf is not going to change this fact.

You need someone to pay the penalty for your sins; and that someone can't be you. You don't have it in you to take your own penalty. Only Jesus can handle the punishment that your sin requires.

He did it for you; won't you receive the free gift that He offers? For the gift that He offers is indeed salvation.

He paid the penalty for your sin.

If you reject this, then I will only say this, that this is what the Lord says to you:

Jer 13:17, But if ye will not hear it, my soul shall weep in secret places for your pride; and mine eye shall weep sore, and run down with tears, because the LORD'S flock is carried away captive.

Pray this prayer:

Dear Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I admit that I am a sinner in need of Your forgiveness. I believe that You died on the Cross to pay the penalty for my sins; and I receive You now as my Saviour and as my Lord. Please forgive me of all of my sins and fill me with Your Holy Spirit and Your love. I repent of my sins and I confess that You are the Son of God and that You are the Lord of everything and the Lord of my life. In Jesus' Name.

If you prayed that, let us know.

In the parable of the sower it was the ones who received Christ anonymously who endured only for a short season and then fell away when temptation came.

justbyfaith · Jun 12, 2020

The foundation for the gospel as I preach it is found in the following verses:

Rom 3:25, Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26, To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

The word "propitiation" can be defined as "appeasement of wrath or justice."

I refer you back to the gospel that I preached for a brief moment in the OP and post #2.

Is it not substantiated by these verses?

Yan · Jun 15, 2020

I thought Jesus was crucified to fulfill God's promise to Abraham's offsprings (Genesis 22:8-14), God had told Abraham to let go Isaac from being offered to the demonic Ba'al. Because Nimrod was treat abraham as an enemy of babylonian. Nimrod was not worship God instead of they were worship Azazil fallen angel defined in the book of Enoch as a warfare gods. That's why Jesus known as the lamb of God (John 1:29).
So, as we see how Jesus was giving mercy to the woman who commit adultery to be put to death but Jesus told them whosoever without a sin put a stone at her (John 8:5-7). So, God don't want every sinner to be condemn but they must be fight their own sinful habits. The exact crucifixion of Jesus was to make an atonement between Nimrod offspring and Abraham offspring (Ephesians 2:11-22).

By the way you can read my other writings on my blog [link removed]

Enoch111 · Jun 15, 2020

justbyfaith said:
So, anyone who denies the doctrine of Penal Substitutionary Atonement, please, by all means, preach to us what is THE REAL GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST that replaces what has been preached as the gospel by the majority of evangelists for the past 4 centuries at least.

There can be no true or real Gospel if it excludes, diminishes, or perverts the penal substitutionary atonement of Christ (which is at the heart of the Gospel).

Enoch111 · Jun 15, 2020

Yan said:
I thought Jesus was crucified to fulfill God's promise to Abraham's offsprings (Genesis 22:8-14), God had told Abraham to let go Isaac from being offered to the demonic Ba'al.

You are a very confused individual. Baal had nothing to do with the sacrifice of Isaac.

Yan · Jun 15, 2020

Enoch111 said:
You are a very confused individual. Baal had nothing to do with the sacrifice of Isaac.

You can read about the hidden fact about Jesus crucifixion here :
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It's all make sense for me when all source of religion blended into one understanding and the reason why did Israel always fight with Ishmael offspring.

justbyfaith · Jun 15, 2020

Enoch111 said:
You are a very confused individual. Baal had nothing to do with the sacrifice of Isaac.

He's from Indonesia...they may not have the fulness of what you and I understand to be gospel truth, @Enoch111.

They very likely think on an entirely different spectrum from us as Western Christians who have been privileged with strong teaching from the Bible and a church on ever corner.

Br gracious to him as he is one who is coming from a place of ignorance; I don't think he is out to deceive anyone here.

@Yan

Welcome to the Boards!

Candidus · Jun 15, 2020

justbyfaith said:
It seems to me that there are two irreconcilable attributes in the heart of God:

1) Justice; which requires that the exact punishment be meted out for crimes committed;

and,

2) Mercy; which desires that less than what is deserved be meted out as punishment.

Justice and mercy meet at the Cross.

Jesus, dying in the place of us, took the penalty for our sins in order that justice might be satisfied and mercy also might be given; for He took the due penalty for our sins.

This is what is preached as THE GOSPEL by many who are included in the orthodox branch of what is termed Christianity today.

If it is not really the gospel, then these preachers are guilty of misleading the majority of those who have become Christians.

If this is not the gospel, then I would ask you, what is?

There is going to have to be something that is going to fill the vacuum that is left when you strip away what is commonly referred to as the gospel by saying that it is false doctrine.

So, anyone who denies the doctrine of Penal Substitutionary Atonement, please, by all means, preach to us what is THE REAL GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST that replaces what has been preached as the gospel by the majority of evangelists for the past 4 centuries at least.

I hope that you have something that you define as the real gospel to replace it?

Because if you don't, then you are asking us to accept the idea that there is NO REAL GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST which we are to believe in unto salvation.

I would say to you unequivocally that such a thing is unacceptable.

Wow! an article on the REAL GOSPEL... and not a single Bible verse!

Amazing how God and the writers of the Bible missed it!

Yan · Jun 15, 2020

Enoch111 said:
You are a very confused individual. Baal had nothing to do with the sacrifice of Isaac.

Isaac burnt offerings was not to penal but to obey Hammurabi laws whereas this hammurabi laws was the source of circumcision (John 7:22; John 7:14-24), and that's why Torah was written by Moses based on the Hammurabi laws.
Because all human sacrifice was all offered to other gods (Deuteronomy 32:16-17; 1 Corinthians 10:18-21).

Yan · Jun 15, 2020

justbyfaith said:
He's from Indonesia...they may not have the fulness of what you and I understand to be gospel truth, @Enoch111.

They very likely think on an entirely different spectrum from us as Western Christians who have been privileged with strong teaching from the Bible and a church on ever corner.

Br gracious to him as he is one who is coming from a place of ignorance; I don't think he is out to deceive anyone here.

@Yan

Welcome to the Boards!

Thank you for your welcome.

justbyfaith · Jun 15, 2020

Yan said:
Isaac burnt offerings was not to penal but to obey Hammurabi laws whereas this hammurabi laws was the source of circumcision (John 7:22; John 7:14-24), and that's why Torah was written by Moses based on the Hammurabi laws.
Because all human sacrifice was all offered to other gods (Deuteronomy 32:16-17; 1 Corinthians 10:18-21).

Moses received the law of the LORD directly from the LORD...not from Hammurabi or any other human law-maker.

Any other pov is distinctly un-Christian.

justbyfaith · Jun 15, 2020

Candidus said:
Wow! an article on the REAL GOSPEL... and not a single Bible verse!

You failed to notice post #3 (The real gospel.).

Yan · Jun 15, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Moses received the law of the LORD directly from the LORD...not from Hammurabi or any other human law-maker.

Any other pov is distinctly un-Christian.

The laws are partly adopted from hammurabi laws and partly from God.
See this scriptures (Exodus 21:21-27; Deuteronomy 19:21), the laws from God are more spiritual and more concern about warning peoples of Israel of sorcery and other divination that worship other than God (Leviticus 17:7-8).

Hammurabi Laws :
Eye for an eye - Wikipedia

bbyrd009 · Jun 15, 2020

Yan said:
The laws are partly adopted from hammurabi laws and partly from God.
See this scriptures (Exodus 21:21-27; Deuteronomy 19:21), the laws from God are more spiritual and more concern about warning peoples of Israel of sorcery and other divination that worship other than God (Leviticus 17:7-8).

Hammurabi Laws :
Eye for an eye - Wikipedia

nice imo

and fwiw he has already um not heard that before
just lie to him and youll get along fine i guess?
lol
ntmy btw, mark here

bbyrd009 · Jun 15, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Moses received the law of the LORD directly from the LORD...not from Hammurabi or any other human law-maker.

Any other pov is distinctly un-Christian.

if your preacher didnt say it in your hearing, it just aint true huh

arent you ordained even? id ask By Whom but you never give a straight answer anyway
jesus already
i mean what do they even teach you guys?
The second five of the decalogue possibly even predate Hammurabi sir
so suck on it i guess

justbyfaith · Jun 15, 2020

Hammurabi got his laws from Moses, or from the God of Moses.

bbyrd009 · Jun 15, 2020

The Code of Moses and the Code of Hammurabi on JSTOR

so, might be best to read this--bc its old--before you get on to the idiot professors at Stack Exchange lol

Yan · Jun 15, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Hammurabi got his laws from Moses, or from the God of Moses.

You were completely wrong, Hammurabi was the son of Noah and the father of Canaan. Hammurabi was Ham itself. And he was the father of Cush which he was the father of Nimrod (Genesis 9:18-29; Genesis 10:6-20).
Moses was born after Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph (Genesis 37). After Joseph was raised as second Pharaoh from jailed those hebrews were lived in egypt until the day Moses were born (Exodus 1).

justbyfaith · Jun 15, 2020

It is possible that Hammirabi would have gotten the law from God before God gave the law to Moses.

But, I would say that there are certain aspects to the law of Moses that were not covered in the law of Hammurabi; and that the law of Moses is superior to that of Hammurabi's code.

Now if you are here to undermine the Christian faith, come right out and say so. It will become evident in time, at any rate, where you stand as concerning faith in Jesus Christ.

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