What are Your Feelings on Tithes

justbyfaith said:

Consider 2 Peter 1:3-4, Hebrews 11:33, 2 Corinthians 1:20, and Romans 4:20-22.

There are promises in the Old Testament that apply to New Testament saints.

Among them is what is found in Malachi 3.

Of course, 2 Corinthians 8 and 2 Corinthians 9 is given as the teaching for New Testament Christians concerning giving to the church.

Malachi 3 would teach us of a bare minimum that we ought to give as we sow and reap, either sparingly or bountifully, of financial seed.

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Malachi 3 is written to Israel under the Old Covenant and not to the Church under the New Covenant. Malachi 3:8 “Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. “But you ask, ‘How are we robbing you?’ “In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse—your whole nation—because you are robbing me. The whole nation of Israel. There is no 10% bare minimum of giving mentioned anywhere for the Church under the New Covenant.

justbyfaith said:

Not everyone wearing a brown uniform is necessarily a muslim.

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all the way gone now huh
ok lets talk about Muslims some more
the ppl from the 180 degree other side of the planet lol
that you cant fab up a single personal complaint against
pretty sure they are the most diverse ppl youll ever find

Rocky Wiley said:

My church of the past really wanted your tithes.

How about yours?

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If you build your doctrine of giving on the New Testament, tithes do not appear as a requirement. The word is not there once in terms of giving by the congregation. All of those who insist on your tithes do so with Old Testament teaching which is incorrect and simplified as 10% of your income. The Jews who the subject of tithing was addressed to gave up to 30% of their income and it wasn't money it was livestock and farming goods.

The seminal text they use is in Malachi. Bring all your tithes into the storehouse and I will pour you out a blessing which you will not be able to contain. That meant animals and fruit and veg and grain. The Levitical priesthood had storehouses for the purpose of storing the tithes that the Jews brought to them. If it was money, they would not need the storehouses.

The only instruction to give in the New Testament is to give as God has blessed you and as your heart tells you to. There is no mention of 10%.

marksman said:

If you build your doctrine of giving on the New Testament, tithes do not appear as a requirement. The word is not there once in terms of giving by the congregation. All of those who insist on your tithes do so with old Testament teaching which is incorrect and simplified as 10% of your income. The Jews who the subject of tithing was addressed to gave up to 30% of their income and it wasn't money it was livestock and farming goods.

The seminal text they use ins in Malachi. Bring all your tithes into the storehouse and I will pour you out a blessing which you will not be able to contain. That meant animals and fruit and veg. The Levitical priesthood had storehouses for the purpose of storing the tithes that the jews brought to them. If it was money, they would not need the storehouses.

The only instruction to give in the New Testament is to give as God has blessed you and as your heart tells you to. There is no mention of 10%.

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Good points. Malachi 3:10 - Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house..

Rocky Wiley said:

Putting God first isn't the question. Do you think you must tithe? My Pastor thought so!

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Anyone who preaches and teaches compulsory tithing is ignorant of the New Testament instructions on contributing to the work of ministry.
God Loves a Cheerful Giver 2 Cor 9:6-8
…6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 7 Each one should give what he has decided in his heart to give , not out of regret or compulsion. For God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things, at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.…
Berean Study Bible ·

Also, God doesn't have mortgages, never has any debts to pay, and His name is not on the title deeds or invoices that pertain to the properties where congregations meet, so if an ekklesia is struggling financially put it down to poor stewardship by man-made institutions, not any failure on the part of God to keep His promises.

One additional thought. The tithe demand arose because churches started to have paid employees and the only way they could guarantee an income to pay then was to get people to give a certain amount on a regular basis. This way they could ascertain how much income they were going to get each week.

I have read of several churches who have gone into meltdown because they were losing membership and the tithes were not sufficient to cover the wages bill. The Crystal Cathedral of Robert Schuller was in this position that is why they had to sell up (to the Catholics) and move into more modest buildings. Once Robert had died, it all went backward.

When that happens the church is not trusting in God. It is trusting in its members.

justbyfaith said:

Muslims as a general rule don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

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omg, you mean they actually believe what our Scripture says lol
look jbf, you are worshipping Jesus after He specifically told you Whom to worship, and while the RCC surely oppressed the West i bet that was nothing compared to the implied expressed license to kill Muslims that was issued by Jesus Worshippers on Trinity Doctrine at the time, pre-T doctrine whatever, so your really very sad digression into Islam apropos of nothing to attempt to cover your own shame is prolly mostly going to end up backfiring on you too i bet ok.

i totally do not care if you issue edicts and proclamations from On High until the day you (literally, this time) die ok, you dont ever have to die on my account, i got an ignore button bro, but your "church" is melting today and im sure you want to be forgiven too, yeh? You might at least take a look at whose borders are enlarging before you go down that path too much further ok? Arent you reduced to a basically a refrigerator carton now, spiritually speaking?

So just imo ok but id do myself a solid and forget everything i know and go find the Son of Man jbf. That is just their way to say that Yah lives in Unapproachable Light fwiw, not that we need to understand their beliefs anyway, arent we supposed to judge by the fruit? "Christians," i mean?
i mean hypocrite much?

justbyfaith said:

Not everyone wearing a brown uniform is necessarily a muslim.

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i mean jesus man youre not even making sense to yourself now

bbyrd009 said:

i got an ignore button bro,

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So do I...

And I had forgotten that I do not respect your opinion at all for that you come off as not being a real Christian; and that I do my best to ignore you for the most part because of that.

Concerning tithing and Malachi 3...

I believe that 2 Peter 1:3-4, Hebrews 11:33, 2 Corinthians 1:20, and Romans 4:20-22 speak of the fact that there are promises in the OT that we can take a hold of by faith.

So as a general guideline, I count tithing a tenth as being a condition for a promise according to Malachi 3.

While if we give more or less, Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6 (in its immediate context) would tell us that we will receive back more or less respectively (whether the blessing be financial or spiritual...see Ephesians 1:3).

But if you want a blessing that you will not be able to receive, it is so great, then bring the whole tithe (tenth) into the storehouse; for that is the promise of holy scripture.

There is more on this subject in the other current thread on this subject.

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Is it ok to Give = $$$$$$$

mailmandan said:

There is no 10% bare minimum of giving mentioned anywhere for the Church under the New Covenant.

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There is (see Luke 11:42).

justbyfaith said:

Concerning tithing and Malachi 3...

I believe that 2 Peter 1:3-4, Hebrews 11:33, 2 Corinthians 1:20, and Romans 4:20-22 speak of the fact that there are promises in the OT that we can take a hold of by faith.

So as a general guideline, I count tithing a tenth as being a condition for a promise according to Malachi 3.

While if we give more or less, Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6 (in its immediate context) would tell us that we will receive back more or less respectively (whether the blessing be financial or spiritual...see Ephesians 1:3).

But if you want a blessing that you will not be able to receive, it is so great, then bring the whole tithe (tenth) into the storehouse; for that is the promise of holy scripture.

There is more on this subject in the other current thread on this subject.

Link:

Is it ok to Give = $$$$$$$

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Holy Slot-machine Batman!

justbyfaith said:

So do I...

And I had forgotten that I do not respect your opinion at all for that you come off as not being a real Christian; and that I do my best to ignore you for the most part because of that.

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ok well thats pretty obvious from your responses already, ok
i mean jeez jbf when is the last time you actually responded to a post?
have a nice day sir

Stumpmaster said:

Anyone who preaches and teaches compulsory tithing is ignorant of the New Testament instructions on contributing to the work of ministry.
God Loves a Cheerful Giver 2 Cor 9:6-8
…6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 7 Each one should give what he has decided in his heart to give , not out of regret or compulsion. For God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things, at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.…
Berean Study Bible ·

Also, God doesn't have mortgages, never has any debts to pay, and His name is not on the title deeds or invoices that pertain to the properties where congregations meet, so if an ekklesia is struggling financially put it down to poor stewardship by man-made institutions, not any failure on the part of God to keep His promises.

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justbyfaith said:

There is (see Luke 11:42).

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See what? Jesus teaching tithing for the Church? NO. Jesus rebuking the Pharisees and lawyers/so called experts in the law for their hypocrisy!

mailmandan said:

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See what? Jesus teaching tithing for the Church? NO. Jesus rebuking the Pharisees and lawyers/so called experts in the law for their hypocrisy!

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Is it ok to Give = $$$$$$$

justbyfaith said:

That being said, I believe that you attempted to take advantage of the fact that I merely referenced, and did not quote, Luke 11:42. So I will quote it now in order to prove my point.

Luk 11:42, But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Here, Jesus says that the Pharisees were wrong to pass over judgment and the love of God while they "strained at the gnat" of tithing. He says here that they should have done judgment and the love of God without leaving the other things undone: which refers to their tithing.

So then, we are not to leave our tithing undone.

For if we are required not to pass over judgment and the love of God, and we are not Pharisees or scribes, then, even though we are not Pharisees or scribes, we ought not to leave our tithing undone.

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Those that teach tithing to them teach that they are in the stead of Jesus Christ.

Basically, they teach they are Jesus Christ..."when you tithe to me, you tithe unto God".

Luk 11:42, But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Here, Jesus says that the Pharisees were wrong to pass over judgment and the love of God while they "strained at the gnat" of tithing. He says here that they should have done judgment and the love of God without leaving the other things undone: which refers to their tithing.

So then, we are not to leave our tithing undone.

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No! it does not say that!

"But woe unto you, Pharisees!"

Who was Jesus rebuking? The Pharisees! Are Pharisees Christian? No! Jesus is speaking to those who are under the Law of the Old Covenant, and them alone!

"for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Under the Jewish Law, tithing was not optional! They 'ought' to have done it!

To say that this applies in the New Testament to Christians, it violate sound exegetical principles. It applies a 'specific application' and makes it a 'universal principle' which it is not! If there is a 'universal principle' in action here, it is that we cannot 'pass over judgment and the love of God.' That principle is enforced throughout the New Covenant.

The rebuke was not that they tithed scrupulously, but that they missed the boat in why they were doing it! There is no command in all the New Testament that says that Christians are to 'tithe'. It would therefore be an impossibility to say that 'you ought to have done' something that is never commanded, and never required.

Enoch111 said:

Since this is directly applicable to the temple in Jerusalem, why did you even quote it? There were storehouses within the temple.

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Luke 3:16-17 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: [17] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

“There were storehouses within the temple“ Tear down(destroy) this temple and I will raise up (build)another...

Candidus said:

No! it does not say that!

"But woe unto you, Pharisees!"

Who was Jesus rebuking? The Pharisees! Are Pharisees Christian? No! Jesus is speaking to those who are under the Law of the Old Covenant, and them alone!

"for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Under the Jewish Law, tithing was not optional! They 'ought' to have done it!

To say that this applies in the New Testament to Christians, it violate sound exegetical principles. It applies a 'specific application' and makes it a 'universal principle' which it is not! If there is a 'universal principle' in action here, it is that we cannot 'pass over judgment and the love of God.' That principle is enforced throughout the New Covenant.

The rebuke was not that they tithed scrupulously, but that they missed the boat in why they were doing it! There is no command in all the New Testament that says that Christians are to 'tithe'. It would therefore be an impossibility to say that 'you ought to have done' something that is never commanded, and never required.

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It says in Luke 11:42 that we ought not to leave our tithing undone.

If it is a universal principle that we ought not to pass over justice and the love of God, sound hermeneutics would suggest that it is also a universal principle that we ought not to leave our tithing undone.

I do believe that the wallet is the last thing in a man's life to be converted...so don't feel bad if yours hasn't been converted yet.

But if you want to give the Lord absolute surrender...and this is what He is calling for...then give Him your wallet as an offering.

By your wallet I am metaphorically speaking of your finances and your financial situation.

If you cannot trust Him from day to day for your daily needs, how else are you going to trust Him?

He has promised that if you will test Him in this, He will come through for you.

And I say this not as anyone who might be able to receive your tithe. I say it as a layman who sees the tithing of the church as a condition for revival / a latter rain of the Holy Spirit.