What are Your Feelings on Tithes

justbyfaith · Jun 18, 2020

In Luke 11:42, it is clear that we are not to leave our tithing undone. This is in the New Testament.

Then, there are the promises in the OT prophets (not the law), such as in Malachi 3, where the person who brings the whole tithe into the storehouse is promised a blessing that he will not have room enough to receive, it is so great.

God says, "Test me now in this."

If God is going to pour out a blessing for your tithe, how is the curse of the law going to apply?

For the curse of the law is that those who are of the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them. (Galatians 3:10).

But tithing is not of the law; for in it there is a blessing.

Those who are under the curse, who seek to be justified by the law, must keep all of the law from conception into eternity if they are going to be saved that way.

But those who tithe properly are not attempting to earn their salvation by it; rather, they are giving out of thankfulness to the Lord for what He has done; and/or, they are giving in order to obtain the promise, by fulfilling the condition of the promise.

Again, those who tithe properly are not seeking to obtain salvation through their tithing. If they didn't tithe, they would be just as saved; but they would be missing out on a promised blessing (spoken of in Malachi 3).

bbyrd009 · Jun 18, 2020

Candidus said:
Who was Jesus rebuking? The Pharisees! Are Pharisees Christian? No! Jesus is speaking to those who are under the Law of the Old Covenant, and them alone!

and youre just talking to another one i guess

bbyrd009 · Jun 18, 2020

justbyfaith said:
It says in Luke 11:42 that we ought not to leave our tithing undone.

If it is a universal principle that we ought not to pass over justice and the love of God, sound hermeneutics would suggest that it is also a universal principle that we ought not to leave our tithing undone.

I do believe that the wallet is the last thing in a man's life to be converted...so don't feel bad if yours hasn't been converted yet.

But if you want to give the Lord absolute surrender...and this is what He is calling for...then give Him your wallet as an offering.

By your wallet I am metaphorically speaking of your finances and your financial situation.

If you cannot trust Him from day to day for your daily needs, how else are you going to trust Him?

He has promised that if you will test Him in this, He will come through for you.

And I say this not as anyone who might be able to receive your tithe. I say it as a layman who sees the tithing of the church as a condition for revival / a latter rain of the Holy Spirit.

only you mean to preachers who have signed 401c3s, right, not the poor

I do believe that the heart is the first thing in a man's life to be converted...so don't feel bad if yours hasn't been converted yet.

Candidus · Jun 18, 2020

Then, there are the promises in the OT prophets (not the law), such as in Malachi 3, where the person who brings the whole tithe into the storehouse is promised a blessing that he will not have room enough to receive, it is so great.

God says, "Test me now in this."

I tested God with this; it doesn't work in the New Testament world!

VictoryinJesus · Jun 18, 2020

Enoch111 said:
You generally manage to pull Scriptures out of context, just because the same words happen to be there. This passage has nothing to do with the subject.

Not following how you said it has nothing to do with it.
Luke 3:17 Lexicon: "His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

into His barn;

ἀποθήκην

(apothēkēn)

596: a place for putting away, hence a storehouse

from apotithém

Hebrews 12:27-29 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. [28] Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: [29] For our God is a consuming fire.

Enoch111 said:
It was a huge mistake for churches to promote tithing, when Christian giving is shown to be considerably more generous in the NT. But storehouses have nothing to do with this.

Matthew 6:19-20 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: [20] But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

What is “lay up”?

Enoch111 · Jun 18, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
Not following how you said it has nothing to do with it.

There is no connection between unquenchable fire and Christian giving. How come you don't get that? Or do you just enjoy spiritual confusion?

VictoryinJesus · Jun 18, 2020

Enoch111 said:
There is no connection between unquenchable fire and Christian giving. How come you don't get that? Or do you just enjoy spiritual confusion?

wadr do not see how you say giving has nothing to do with it; when the Hope and Faith is having fruit of the Spirit which remains and abides in Him and is not burned up nor consumed.

justbyfaith · Jun 18, 2020

Candidus said:
I tested God with this; it doesn't work in the New Testament world!

No you haven't; if you had it would have worked for you.

If it doesn't produce material blessings, it is sure to bring a spiritual one (Ephesians 1:3). In that mammon no longer will have a hold on you; even if you retain certain material blessings.

justbyfaith · Jun 18, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
I do believe that the heart is the first thing in a man's life to be converted...so don't feel bad if yours hasn't been converted yet.

My heart is very much converted...

You can find my testimony here:

My testimony (justbyfaith).

historyb · Jun 18, 2020

Rocky Wiley said:
My church of the past really wanted your tithes.

How about yours?

My Priest does ask for tithes and he doesn't want to but with all the stuff going on we need it because our rent is due every month, we have some backup but that can go fast. My view is give what you can and do it cheerfully and I do not believe it needs to be money. For instances I and my wife at sometimes during going to church couldn't afford any money but I have computer skills and became the Technology guy and I can set the table, light the candles and my wife cleans the Cup and Paten after Mass. These are our tithes also.

Candidus · Jun 18, 2020

justbyfaith said:
No you haven't; if you had it would have worked for you.

If it doesn't produce material blessings, it is sure to bring a spiritual one (Ephesians 1:3). In that mammon no longer will have a hold on you; even if you retain certain material blessings.

Yet, Ephesians 1:13 has NOTHING to do with tithing.
But, to take it away from the material (which is inferred in Malachi 3), all I got in return was a spiritual kick in the teeth.

Tithing is not Christian! There are ZERO blessings promised for playing the game. I know, I tested it and it just is not true.

Stumpmaster · Jun 18, 2020

justbyfaith said:
In Luke 11:42, it is clear that we are not to leave our tithing undone. This is in the New Testament.

Spoken to Pharisees under the Law of Moses and prior to the better Covenant of Grace. People can still tithe if that's what they have decided in their heart to do, but under the better Covenant of Grace there is no compulsion or obligation to. This was strong meat to the Judaisers and if they became disciples of the Lord they remained babes in Christ as long as they insisted on everyone observing the Law instead of standing in grace.
Heb 7:11-12 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? (12) For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Rom 5:1-2 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: (2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

justbyfaith · Jun 18, 2020

Candidus said:
Yet, Ephesians 1:13 has NOTHING to do with tithing.

Ephesians 1:3

Stumpmaster said:
Spoken to Pharisees under the Law of Moses and prior to the better Covenant of Grace. People can still tithe if that's what they have decided in their heart to do, but under the better Covenant of Grace there is no compulsion or obligation to. This was strong meat to the Judaisers and they remained babes in Christ as long as they insisted on observing the Law instead of standing in grace.
Heb 7:11-12 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? (12) For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Rom 5:1-2 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: (2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Indeed, we are not born again through law-keeping and neither do we maintain our salvation through law-keeping.

Nevertheless, the word of the Lord is timeless; and it says that if we don't give our tithes we are robbing God.

If a child gets an income of $1, it will not hurt them financially to give ten cents out of that dollar. It may even teach them the value of money.

That's what the Lord does when we give the prescribed 10%. He shows us that He can make our money stretch so that we can make ends meet, even when before we began to tithe, we could barely make ends meet on 100% of our income!

I am not going to be legalistic about a specific 10% except to say that the promise given in Malachi of a blessing poured out is based on a 10% gift into the coffers of the storehouse.

Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6 tell us that we can sow more or less financially; and we will also reap more or less financially.

But I believe that tithing the prescribed 10% is God's way of testing our faith as to whether we will trust Him with our finances. See Matthew 6:25-34.

You may not get a financial return on your tithing but you will definitely get a spiritual return (Ephesians 1:3); in that mammon will not have control over you any longer even though you may be able to keep a substantial material blessing.

Candidus · Jun 18, 2020

That's what the Lord does when we give the prescribed 10%. He shows us that He can make our money stretch so that we can make ends meet, even when before we began to tithe, we could barely make ends meet on 100% of our income!

That's an absolute lie! I never had to sell everything of value that I had to make ends meet until I was following the false doctrine and was suckered into being financially extorted with the lie of the Tithe. Oh yes, the pastor would parade people with fantastic testimonies that "They always had what they needed and were never in want while they tithed..." while I cannot say that their personal testimony is false, I can say that my experience was not what theirs was, and nobody can say that my experience was not as true as theirs was! The lie is that you will be blessed... yet God never says that He will bless anyone for tithing in the New Testament. I was taught and promised a lie that was never a promise from God.

But I believe that tithing the prescribed 10% is God's way of testing our faith as to whether we will trust Him with our finances. See Matthew 6:25-34.

A standard that fails. God was tested. Either God failed, or as I suspect, God has no obligation to bless that which He never promised!

You may not get a financial return on your tithing but you will definitely get a spiritual return (Ephesians 1:3); in that mammon will not have control over you any longer even though you may be able to keep a substantial material blessing.

Then why was I treated so spiritually bad by the Church when I was tithing? The only 'spiritual return' I received was the freedom of being released from "Tithe Hell," and only then was I blessed.

Candidus · Jun 18, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Ephesians 1:3

Even less is said in that verse!

LC627 · Jun 18, 2020

justbyfaith said:
I simply disagree with you. A fresh anointing is definitely needed. Of course sound doctrine is important too; I am all about sound doctrine.

There is nothing wrong with a guitar and drums as instruments in a worship service.

You would get rid of more than half of all of the worship songs that we sing today.

It's not about entertaining the people with music. I wouldn't go to a church that has a rock band. You can't have a fresh anointing if there is nothing new under the sun! The Word of God is more than sufficient for each and every generation.

bbyrd009 · Jun 18, 2020

justbyfaith said:
My heart is very much converted...

sorry jbf but if i testify of myself, my testimony is invalid right

justbyfaith · Jun 18, 2020

Candidus said:
The lie is that you will be blessed... yet God never says that He will bless anyone for tithing in the New Testament.

You are living under the false assumption that the Old Testament is no longer valid.

Where are the promises located that are spoken of in 2 Peter 1:3-4, Hebrews 11:33, 2 Corinthians 1:20, and Romans 4:20-22 if they are not located in the Old Testament?

God promises He will bless you with a blessing that you will not be able to receive in the Old Testament...

And in the New Testament, He promises that if you give, men will give back into your lap, pressed down, shaken together, and running over (Luke 6:38).

If these promises haven't worked for you, then I can only say that I think there must have been something wrong with your faith.

Candidus said:
Then why was I treated so spiritually bad by the Church when I was tithing? The only 'spiritual return' I received was the freedom of being released from "Tithe Hell," and only then was I blessed.

It seems to me that you were not looking to the Lord for your blessing but to the church. I suggest you read Psalms 118:8-9.

In Matthew chapter 6, we are told that we are not to sound a trumpet before us when we tithe or give alms, in order that we might be seen of men. If you were looking for man's approval in your tithing, you were missing out on an important scriptural truth.

The spiritual blessing spoken of in Ephesians 1:3 (as pertains to the tithe) consists of the fact that you are no longer captivated by mammon even though you possess financial blessing...because you relinquish your right to what God claims for Himself, and thus you are giving glory to God by giving Him what belongs to Him.

bbyrd009 said:
sorry jbf but if i testify of myself, my testimony is invalid right

Even if I testify of myself, my testimony is valid; for I know where I came from and where I am going...(and while it is the same words, it is slightly different than what Jesus said).

justbyfaith · Jun 18, 2020

LC627 said:
It's not about entertaining the people with music. I wouldn't go to a church that has a rock band. You can't have a fresh anointing if there is nothing new under the sun! The Word of God is more than sufficient for each and every generation.

Again, there is nothing wrong with using a guitar and drums in the implementation of worship in a church service.

And I wouldn't call such a thing a "rock band".

I would call it a contemporary worship band.

There is nothing wrong with using instruments in a worship service (again see Psalms 150).

I believe I mentioned in a recent post (What are Your Feelings on Tithes) why the Old Testament is valid and that the New Testament is not the only thing that we go by as Christians.

justbyfaith · Jun 18, 2020

Candidus said:
Even less is said in that verse!

See what you think is said by 2 Corinthians 4:3-4, Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27, and 1 Corinthians 2:14.

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