What are Your Feelings on Tithes

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VictoryinJesus

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A standard that fails. God was tested. Either God failed, or as I suspect, God has no obligation to bless that which He never promised!


“God was tested. Either God failed...” I’m still stuck on are we to test God? Not sure if either have already been posted.
Luke 4:12 Lexicon: And Jesus answered and said to him, "It is said, 'YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST.'"

Matthew 4:7 Lexicon: Jesus said to him, "On the other hand, it is written, 'YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST.'"

the devil in temptation also tests.
 

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Only 10 percent... o_O
Why does that seem crazy to you?

I mean, if you want to give God 100% of your income, I say, more power to you!

I believe that it was George Mueller who would have his orphans pray for food on the table and it would be provided out of nowhere and for free.
 

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Why does that seem crazy to you?

I mean, if you want to give God 100% of your income, I say, more power to you!

I believe that it was George Mueller who would have his orphans pray for food on the table and it would be provided out of nowhere and for free.

Honestly, I think it is crazy because the passage says God will open the windows of heaven and ‘pour out’ a blessing there will not be enough room to receive, til it ‘overflows’ ...Imo examples of blessings ‘poured out’ are Matthew 3:14-17 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? [15] And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. [16] And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: [17] And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Then they crucified the Son.

Acts 7:55-56 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, [56] And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Then they stoned Stephen (Acts 7:59)calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
 

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Honestly, I think it is crazy because the passage says God will open the windows of heaven and ‘pour out’ a blessing there will not be enough room to receive, til it ‘overflows’ ...Imo examples of blessings ‘poured out’ are Matthew 3:14-17 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? [15] And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. [16] And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: [17] And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Then they crucified the Son.

Acts 7:55-56 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, [56] And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Then they stoned Stephen (Acts 7:59)calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
I agree with you...the blessing that God promises to pour out may not have to do with finances at all; but with an outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the latter days...

Jas 5:7, Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
 

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My church of the past really wanted your tithes.

How about yours?

Rocky,

The tithe is biblical but not Christian.

The OT Israelites were called by God to tithe - give a tenth, e.g. Gen 14:20; 28:22; Lev 27:30-32 etc.

However, Christian believers are under the law of liberty. They are to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15).

I found this article helpful:7 Reasons Christians Are Not Required to Tithe.

Oz
 
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If the whole tithe isn't brought into the storehouse therefore, the latter day outpouring of the Holy Spirit may never occur...
 

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You are living under the false assumption that the Old Testament is no longer valid.
It's not so much that the Old Testament is no longer valid but rather that the New Testament is better, jbf. I think you better meditate on the thirteen betters of the Epistle to the Hebrews, especially Hebrews 8:6. Giving to the work of ministry is so much better without the compulsion of the imperfect Law.

Heb_1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb_6:9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
Heb_7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Heb_7:19
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb_7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb_8:6 But now has he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb_9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb_10:34 For you had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that you have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
Heb_11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he has prepared for them a city.
Heb_11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
Heb_11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Heb_12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaks better things than that of Abel.

PS.
NKJV Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
 
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Concerning Hebrews 8:13...

It is in context of Hebrews 8:8-10, in which it is written that the law is written on the hearts and in the minds of all those who are under the New Covenant. See also Hebrews 10:16.

So then, it is the ceremonial law that is growing old and is ready to vanish away...because the Lord fulfilled it in dying on the Cross.

But the rest of it...the moral tenets, statutes, and precepts...these are written on the heart and in the mind of every New Covenant believer.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

And the love of God comes into our hearts by faith (Galatians 3:14, Romans 5:5).

So, the New Covenant is indeed better; for it provides the means by which we can become righteous; whereas the Old Covenant was never able to do that.

However, it should be clear that the Old Covenant is not nullified by the New when it comes down to defining righteousness and sin; for the law defines sin (Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4) and righteousness.

One jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law until all is fulfilled...and among those things that must be fulfilled is that heaven and earth must pass away.

Therefore the change in law spoken of in Hebrews 7:12 cannot be speaking of a removal of certain moral tenets found in the law.

Now, not only is the law written on the hearts and in the minds of New Covenant believers; but the law serves as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv))

Psa 19:7, The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

The law shows man his sin; that he is a sinner in need of the Saviour...because it is written that the Saviour shall save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21) and therefore the law will convict you for as long as you continue to be a sinner.

When you repent and give your heart to the Lord, you cease to be a sinner (1 John 3:9) because you have made a 180-degree turn away from sin and towards righteousness.

This is not the righteousness which is of the law; it is the righteousness which is of God by faith.

Nevertheless, those who have faith are given the Holy Ghost (Galatians 3:14)...and as for those who walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in them (Romans 8:4).

So the righteousness which is of God by faith produces the righteousness which is according to the law...a righteousness which is without the law but is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21).

Because the fruit of the Spirit is love and goodness, among other things...and against such there is no law (Galatians 5:22-23).

Now as concerning tithing, I will say again that the OT gives a promise that the windows of heaven shall be opened to the nation that brings the whole tithe into the storehouse...and that this is the promise of the Lord.

For Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and for ever (Hebrews 13:8, Malachi 3:6).
 

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It says in Luke 11:42 that we ought not to leave our tithing undone.

If it is a universal principle that we ought not to pass over justice and the love of God, sound hermeneutics would suggest that it is also a universal principle that we ought not to leave our tithing undone.

I do believe that the wallet is the last thing in a man's life to be converted...so don't feel bad if yours hasn't been converted yet.

But if you want to give the Lord absolute surrender...and this is what He is calling for...then give Him your wallet as an offering.

By your wallet I am metaphorically speaking of your finances and your financial situation.

If you cannot trust Him from day to day for your daily needs, how else are you going to trust Him?

He has promised that if you will test Him in this, He will come through for you.

And I say this not as anyone who might be able to receive your tithe. I say it as a layman who sees the tithing of the church as a condition for revival / a latter rain of the Holy Spirit.

It says in Luke 11:42 that we ought not to leave our tithing undone. Sorry but you have got that one wrong. He told the PHARISEES to not leave their tithing undone and not to forget to be kind to people which they were not.

Luk 11:42 You Pharisees are in for trouble! You give God a tenth of the spices from your gardens, such as mint and rue. But you cheat people, and you don't love God. You should be fair and kind to others and still give a tenth to God. (CEV)

But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (KJV)

But woe to you, Pharisees, for you pay tithes of the mint, and the rue, and every plant, and pass by the judgment and the love of God. It was right to do these things, but not to leave aside those. (LITERAL)

But woe to you, Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, and pass over judgment and the love of God. You ought to have done these, and not to leave the other undone. (MKJV)

But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and mercy and the love of God. These you ought to have done without leaving the others undone. (NKJB)

'But woe to you, the Pharisees, because ye tithe the mint, and the rue, and every herb, and ye pass by the judgment, and the love of God; these things it behoveth to do, and those not to be neglecting. (YLT)

Seven versions of the same verse and they all say the same thing. it is addressed to the Pharisees under OT law because Jesus did not want then to stop tithing of their substance but to ADD justice and mercy.

Now if that is not conclusive I don't know what is. To say that this applies to the NTC is drawing the longest bow possible and it is obvious the person is trying to make scripture fit into his theology rather than make their theology fit into scripture.

The word tithing is NOT in the New Testament. End of story.
 

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The word tithing is NOT in the New Testament. End of story.
The word tithing is in Luke 11:42, and Luke 11:42 is in the New Testament.

Question: as New Testament Christians, should we pass over judgment and the love of God?

If your answer is yes, then I question your sanity.

If your answer is no, then I would ask, why then is the other thing (tithing) also not valid for New Testament Christians?

For if Jesus spoke one thing to the scribes and Pharisees, and it is valid for New Testament Christians, then the fact that the other thing was spoken to the scribes and Pharisees does not make it invalid for New Testament Christians.
 

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Rocky,

The tithe is biblical but not Christian.

The OT Israelites were called by God to tithe - give a tenth, e.g. Gen 14:20; 28:22; Lev 27:30-32 etc.

However, Christian believers are under the law of liberty. They are to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15).

I found this article helpful:7 Reasons Christians Are Not Required to Tithe.

Oz
At Bible College, I was taught OT by a converted Jew. If you want to know what that involves it means there was NOTHING that he did not know about the OT because he had knowledge of it as a Jew and as a Christian. He taught us that Jews were required to tithe 30% over the year, not 10%.