What are Your Feelings on Tithes

Rocky Wiley said:

T He never saw a need for a pastor, never even mentioned them, read the book.

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You should read a New Testament.
If you do, read "TITUS" and TIMOTHY"< and notice that Paul is teaching young {preacher boys).
Read Paul talk about how to choose a "BISHOP", as this is Paul's term (translators), for Pastor.

Rocky Wiley said:

If you tithe because you want to tithe. That is good, and God will bless you for it. But if you tithe because the pastor preaches that you must, this pastor is in it for the money!
Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

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I liked your post because it has truth to it.

However, I believe that there are those pastors who preach that you must tithe because they believe that the windows of heaven will not be opened unless the whole congregation tithes. And these pastors may not be in it for the money. They may genuinely want revival.

Rocky Wiley said:

But if you tithe because the pastor preaches that you must, this pastor is in it for the money!

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You seem to be more focused on the failings of pastors than your own failure at Christian giving. Since you hate the tithe, have you decided on a 50:50 split with God, or should you just give Him 90% and keep 10% for yourself? That sounds fair to me. And that would be more along the lines of the poor widow who was praised by Christ.

Rocky Wiley said:

The last church that I attended regularly got a new Pastor and within 5 minutes of his sermon he said "I want you to know, right up front, I will preach tithing.

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I am okay with preaching about tithing when finances are the subject at hand, but I am out of there if that is their emphasis at. every. single. meeting.

Rocky Wiley said:

Bishop seems to be one who teaches, but possible like a preacher but not so much a pastor.
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Im not a Pastor, im an Evangelist, a NT Teacher, and a musician.

"preaching about money," hmm...

justbyfaith said:

Even if I testify of myself, my testimony is valid; for I know where I came from and where I am going...(and while it is the same words, it is slightly different than what Jesus said).

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but you absolutely do not know from where I come or where I am going.
btw

Rocky Wiley said:

Bishop seems to be one who teaches, but possible like a preacher but not so much a pastor.
Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Tit 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
Lucre is money!

Teaching was being taught here in order to get their money.

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"and if i claim to be a wise man..."

Enoch111 said:

You seem to be more focused on the failings of pastors than your own failure at Christian giving. Since you hate the tithe, have you decided on a 50:50 split with God, or should you just give Him 90% and keep 10% for yourself? That sounds fair to me. And that would be more along the lines of the poor widow who was praised by Christ.

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nice deflection imo, as you have not demonstrated his failure right? Nor will you, right?

Enoch111 said:

You seem to be more focused on the failings of pastors than your own failure at Christian giving. Since you hate the tithe, have you decided on a 50:50 split with God, or should you just give Him 90% and keep 10% for yourself? That sounds fair to me. And that would be more along the lines of the poor widow who was praised by Christ.

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Maybe a closer look at the scripture is needed? In Mark prior to her casting in all Jesus is rebuking Pharisees for devouring widows houses, making long prayers for a pretence. Immediately he walks away from the temple and says it's all coming down.

Mark 13:2 KJV
And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Simply back up a few verses

Mark 12:40,42 KJV
Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation. [42] And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.

Now, move ahead 70 years and you get a snap shot of God rebuking the devourer mentioned in Malachi.

In my opinion He wasn't praising her, he was pitied her, for being dupped by the religious hypocrites.

He doesn't dwell in houses made with hands.

Waiting on him said:

Maybe a closer look at the scripture is needed?

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Not really. Jesus praised this woman and that is all we are concerned with. Go thou and do likewise was the message.

Enoch111 said:

Not really. Jesus praised this woman and that is all we are concerned with. Go thou and do likewise was the message.

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Would you be kind enough to send the scripture to support please?

Waiting on him said:

Would you be kind enough to send the scripture to support please?

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And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him. (Mark 12:17)

For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.(Mark 12:44)

"...There are several things that the story of the widow’s mite teaches us. First, God sees what man overlooks. The big gifts in the temple were surely noticed by people; that’s probably what the disciples were watching. But Jesus saw what no one else did: He saw the humble gift of a poor widow. This was the gift that Jesus thought worthy of comment; this was the gift that the disciples needed to be aware of. The other gifts in the treasury that day made a lot of noise as they jingled into the receptacles, but the widow’s mites were heard in heaven.

Second, God’s evaluation is different from man’s. The widow’s two mites added up to a penny, according to man’s tabulation. But Jesus said that she had given more than anyone else that day (Mark 12:43). How could this be, when “many rich people threw in large amounts” (Mark 12:41)? The difference is one of proportion. The rich were giving large sums, but they still retained their fortunes; the widow “put in everything—all she had to live on” (Mark 12:42). Hers was a true sacrifice; the rich had not begun to give to the level of her sacrifice.

Third, God commends giving in faith. Here was a woman in need of receiving charity, yet she had a heart to give. Even though the amount was negligible—what could a widow’s mite buy?—she gave it in faith that God could use it. The widow’s faith is also evident in the fact that she gave the last of her money. Like the widow of Zarephath, who gave her last meal to Elijah (see 1 Kings 17:7–16), the widow in the temple gave away her last means of self-support. Does that mean the widow left the temple completely destitute, went home, and died of starvation? No. The Bible teaches that God provides for our needs (Matthew 6:25–34). We don’t know the details of this particular widow’s future, but we can be certain that she was provided for. Just as God provided for the widow and her son in Elijah’s day (1 Kings 17:15–16), God also provided for the widow in Jesus’ day...
https://www.gotquestions.org/widows-mite.html

Enoch111 said:

And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him. (Mark 12:17)

For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.(Mark 12:44)

"...There are several things that the story of the widow’s mite teaches us. First, God sees what man overlooks. The big gifts in the temple were surely noticed by people; that’s probably what the disciples were watching. But Jesus saw what no one else did: He saw the humble gift of a poor widow. This was the gift that Jesus thought worthy of comment; this was the gift that the disciples needed to be aware of. The other gifts in the treasury that day made a lot of noise as they jingled into the receptacles, but the widow’s mites were heard in heaven.

Second, God’s evaluation is different from man’s. The widow’s two mites added up to a penny, according to man’s tabulation. But Jesus said that she had given more than anyone else that day (Mark 12:43). How could this be, when “many rich people threw in large amounts” (Mark 12:41)? The difference is one of proportion. The rich were giving large sums, but they still retained their fortunes; the widow “put in everything—all she had to live on” (Mark 12:42). Hers was a true sacrifice; the rich had not begun to give to the level of her sacrifice.

Third, God commends giving in faith. Here was a woman in need of receiving charity, yet she had a heart to give. Even though the amount was negligible—what could a widow’s mite buy?—she gave it in faith that God could use it. The widow’s faith is also evident in the fact that she gave the last of her money. Like the widow of Zarephath, who gave her last meal to Elijah (see 1 Kings 17:7–16), the widow in the temple gave away her last means of self-support. Does that mean the widow left the temple completely destitute, went home, and died of starvation? No. The Bible teaches that God provides for our needs (Matthew 6:25–34). We don’t know the details of this particular widow’s future, but we can be certain that she was provided for. Just as God provided for the widow and her son in Elijah’s day (1 Kings 17:15–16), God also provided for the widow in Jesus’ day...
https://www.gotquestions.org/widows-mite.html

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This is contradictory, if God had provided the widow wouldn't have been casting in all she had, or are you saying God had only provided a penny?

Enoch111 said:

And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him. (Mark 12:17)

For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.(Mark 12:44)

"...There are several things that the story of the widow’s mite teaches us. First, God sees what man overlooks. The big gifts in the temple were surely noticed by people; that’s probably what the disciples were watching. But Jesus saw what no one else did: He saw the humble gift of a poor widow. This was the gift that Jesus thought worthy of comment; this was the gift that the disciples needed to be aware of. The other gifts in the treasury that day made a lot of noise as they jingled into the receptacles, but the widow’s mites were heard in heaven.

Second, God’s evaluation is different from man’s. The widow’s two mites added up to a penny, according to man’s tabulation. But Jesus said that she had given more than anyone else that day (Mark 12:43). How could this be, when “many rich people threw in large amounts” (Mark 12:41)? The difference is one of proportion. The rich were giving large sums, but they still retained their fortunes; the widow “put in everything—all she had to live on” (Mark 12:42). Hers was a true sacrifice; the rich had not begun to give to the level of her sacrifice.

Third, God commends giving in faith. Here was a woman in need of receiving charity, yet she had a heart to give. Even though the amount was negligible—what could a widow’s mite buy?—she gave it in faith that God could use it. The widow’s faith is also evident in the fact that she gave the last of her money. Like the widow of Zarephath, who gave her last meal to Elijah (see 1 Kings 17:7–16), the widow in the temple gave away her last means of self-support. Does that mean the widow left the temple completely destitute, went home, and died of starvation? No. The Bible teaches that God provides for our needs (Matthew 6:25–34). We don’t know the details of this particular widow’s future, but we can be certain that she was provided for. Just as God provided for the widow and her son in Elijah’s day (1 Kings 17:15–16), God also provided for the widow in Jesus’ day...
https://www.gotquestions.org/widows-mite.html

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He never said or imply to go and do likewise in regards to what He witnessed of the widow. In fact He walked out of the man made temple immediately after He witnessed it and said look at all the grand buildings, I'm bringing it all down.

Of course the unregenerate wishes nothing more than to try and build what God has made desolate.

Waiting on him said:

Now, move ahead 70 years and you get a snap shot of God rebuking the devourer mentioned in Malachi.

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Don't be ridiculous. The destruction of the temple in 70 A.D. in no way represents the rebuking of the devourer mentioned in Malachi. You make a mockery of God's word in saying this.

The reality is simple...that the scribes and Pharisees, while they gave a tenth of anise and cumin and other spices, neglected the weightier matters of the law...and this they should have done without leaving the other undone.

The temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. not because they tithed and this was the devourer coming against the reality of God's word...no.

The temple was destroyed because Israel did not recognize the time of her visitation.

You attempt to make the word of God null and void by your statements; and in doing so you are doing the work of the devil himself.