Not a sinner.

justbyfaith · Jun 30, 2020

Behold said:
They now accuse God of doing the Devil's work by "ordained". or "caused". or "pre-destined".
Its the same group, same spirit and same Lie.

Predestination is not a lie but a biblical doctrine. See Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:4, Ephesians 1:11, 1 Peter 1:2.

I am not saying to blame God for evil in the world. That is the result of His permissive will; in that He permits man to have his own free will.

Behold said:
Anger is not a sin.

Actually, anger without a cause is a sin.

Mat 5:22, But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Behold said:
Do i personally ever feel anger?
Sure.
You can't be human and breathing and not at times feel anger.

So, the question is, Have you ever been angry with someone without a cause?

Behold said:
Its not possible to want to murder someone and not have a reason.
C'mon.

It is possible to be angry with someone without a cause...otherwise Jesus wouldn't have said it.

Behold said:
You can KILL someone, without a reason...... by accident.

Because you were angry with them without a cause.

stunnedbygrace · Jun 30, 2020

Behold said:
Its not possible to want to murder someone and not have a reason.
C'mon.
Even a psychopath has a reason.
You murder because you want someone dead......and there has to be a reason.
Murder without a reason, is impossible.
You can KILL someone, without a reason...... by accident.
But MURDER< requires a decision, stunnedbygrace.
Jesus was MURDERED on the Cross by people who hated him and wanted him to DIE SUFFERING.
So, that is THEIR heart, = full of murder.
Jesus's heart was to go to the Cross because of Love for US and because He wanted to please the Father.

To give a reason for why you are angry at someone is not the same as having cause.

I can say, I murdered him in my heart because he cut me off in traffic and almost caused the death of both of us. That's a reason.

But if I have ever in my life done the same to someone else while driving (and of course I have, whether through distraction or not being careful about a blind spot), where is my cause?

stunnedbygrace · Jun 30, 2020

Or I could say, I murdered her in anger because she was very mean and spiteful to me. That is a reason for my murder.

But if I have ever been mean and spiteful myself to anyone, where is my cause?

Do I have cause to have anger in my heart for what is done to me if I have ever done the same thing? I will tell you truthfully I have actually done worse than be mean.

VictoryinJesus · Jun 30, 2020

Giuliano said:
I read in the heart to mean "with the wish or intention to do it." Your neighbor might have a very attractive wife but he might be a lot bigger than you and with a temper. He might kill you. So there you are, wanting to do it but afraid. You would if you thought you could get away with it. Or maybe you put the moves on her and she laughed. You still wanted to do it.

See your point but it could also be the played out act in your head ...to fantasize, but never follow through, thinking no one will ever know. In a sense able to fantasize in the mind whatever you want and to get away with no consequences or connection to the act. Thought it means others may not see what is hidden in secret places, but God searching those secret places of the heart knows what is hidden there. Same with murder.

Giuliano · Jun 30, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
See your point but it could also be the played out act in your head ...to fantasize, but never follow through, thinking no one will ever know. In a sense able to fantasize in the mind whatever you want and to get away with no consequences or connection to the act. Thought it means others may not see what is hidden in secret places, but God searching those secret places of the heart knows what is hidden there. Same with murder.

Oh yes, the fantasies. I think we are on treacherous ground too if we enjoy seeing or hearing about some sins. That could mean watching violent movies or enjoying violent news. We can try to deceive ourselves by saying, "I would never do that," but that leaves the question unanswered why we enjoy the violence. I think this shows up in how some people obsess about sex. They seem to enjoy discussing it while condemning it. They are inviting the images into their minds but saying others are the guilty ones. Paul has a few interesting lines.

Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Relishing sinful images in the mind is dangerous when combined with condemning others. Paul continues:

2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

It's almost a rule: If someone starts judging others as if some sin is so big and dangerous that God couldn't fix it, that sin takes on power. The images in the mind become more attractive. The more someone condemns others for it as a way of trying to avoid admitting he enjoys the images, the more he is tempted to that sin. If he started off as not guilty of what he judged others for, he often winds up guilty since that he's entertaining those fantasies in his mind.

Nancy · Jun 30, 2020

Behold said:
Actually, stunnedbyGrace, you would have to have murder in your heart, to accomplish that sin,.....not just anger.
You can be angry and not want to murder, but if you want to murder, that can be an anger issue, or it can be a psychological issue were a person enjoys killing as a pleasure.

"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

"Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:"

Yes, there is righteous anger and there is un-righteous anger. Either way, it's something that should pass before the day is out. I also believe this is talking about our fellow Christians...(brother?)...

Behold · Jul 1, 2020

Nancy said:
"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

"Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:"

Yes, there is righteous anger and there is un-righteous anger. Either way, it's something that should pass before the day is out. I also believe this is talking about our fellow Christians...(brother?)...

"Anger rests (continues to exist) in the heart-mind of a FOOL".

So, yeah, this is a potential for everyone.
Unresolved anger is like unforgiveness or living IN-with past regrets., all of this is a self inflicted poison if you allow it to stay in your heart and mind.

VictoryinJesus · Jul 1, 2020

Giuliano said:
I read in the heart to mean "with the wish or intention to do it." Your neighbor might have a very attractive wife but he might be a lot bigger than you and with a temper. He might kill you. So there you are, wanting to do it but afraid. You would if you thought you could get away with it. Or maybe you put the moves on her and she laughed. You still wanted to do it.

‘Wanting to do it but afraid’ of the neighbor who has a temper and could kill you. Thought more yesterday after your post and get you basically said the same thing ...the only part was fearing the neighbor. So in fearing the neighbor the fantasy is kept in secret and the dark, ...so the neighbor doesn’t kill him. Looks like he gets away with it, but does he? Which should be feared more ...the neighbor with a temper or God? Another example: having fantasies about your wife's sister. It continues every time she visits. It could end your marriage to say anything and you never act on those fantasies...so who does it hurt? but what of John 3:19-21 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Isaiah 45:2-3 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: [3] And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

Just an opinion but treasures of darkness, hidden riches in secret places....is confession and repentance of our evil deeds being brought out into the light for the destruction of evil. What if it causes shame? What if it causes great loss? What if it breaks our image? Are we not to fear God more, and trust that a clear conscience towards Him is better than saving our own rear?

Isaiah 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. (What is the hiding place?) where nothing is hidden from God. (What is washed)

GodsGrace · Jul 2, 2020

justbyfaith said:
If "water" is referring to natural childbirth in John 3:5, then it is not referring to baptism. And likewise, if it is referring to baptism, it is not referring to natural childbirth.

One of these interpretations is the correct one; and the other one isn't. Personally, I believe that it is referring to baptism. What would be the point of Jesus saying that in order to be born a second time you must be born a first time? Isn't that a given already? He would be being redundant.

There is debate as to what it means...actually it could be proven either way....natural childbirth or baptism. Biblical scholars are not agreed on what every single verse might mean.

No, I did answer it....I just didn't answer it the way you wanted me to. To be clear with you, I don't believe what the Mormons believe about the order of Melchizedec...as a matter of fact, I don't even know what they believe about it...I just know that they have a doctrine on the issue. What I said about the order of Melchizedec is what I am aware of in knowledge about the order of Melchizedec, based on Hebrews chapter 7....if that is not good enough for you, then go buy a car.

Don't know what GO BUY A CAR means....
but actually I took your advice and just did buy one.

Actually, that is one commandment that I know that I always keep in my new nature....as this love has been given to me as a gift (Romans 5:5). Even when sin within me sins (Romans 7:17, Romans 7:20), the love of the Lord is always present in my heart as it is shed abroad in my heart through the Holy Ghost. I don't always live according to that love; but that love is always present in the center of my heart.

Good. This is as it should be!

Behold · Jul 2, 2020

GodsGrace said:
There is debate as to what it means...actually it could be proven either way....natural childbirth or baptism. Biblical scholars are not agreed on what every single verse might mean.

Nicodemus would have known the difference between childbirth by water breaking, and water baptism.
Dont get caught up in "catholic scholar" deception, that tries to prove that water regenerates the soul.
Water gets you wet.
Jesus's blood takes care of your soul.

justbyfaith · Jul 2, 2020

What saves (as concerning baptism) is faith in the operation of God.

Col 2:12, Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

heart surgery:

Eze 36:25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Rom 6:1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2, God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3, Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4, Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Behold · Jul 2, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Rom 6:2, God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

You just quoted Paul as : ""God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein""

Paul just said, if you are saved, how can you possibly be sinning?

Yet, you sin and repent for how many more years?

Notice my Threads? I'm teaching how to do what Paul says..
My Threads are for you, as you repent and confess and sin.
Paul says How can you be doing that?
And running to 1 John is not going to help you.
My Threads can....but you have to be sincere and study them.

justbyfaith · Jul 2, 2020

Behold said:
And running to 1 John is not going to help you.

Believing what it says in 1 John 1:8-9 helps me quite a bit, actually.

While it is not true that I am living a life of bondage to sin, so that I am continually sinning and repenting.

It turns out that the repenting availed for me when I did it.

marks · Jul 2, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Believing what it says in 1 John 1:8-9 helps me quite a bit, actually.

While it is not true that I am living a life of bondage to sin, so that I am continually sinning and repenting.

It turns out that the repenting availed for me when I did it.

Repenting, metanoia, is to exchange the mind. Metanoia (meta=after, noia=mind) literally refers to the result of having exchanged your mind. It is the "after-mind". We had the mind of the flesh. We've repudiated it, and been given the mind of Christ.

Our repentance unto salvation is not about what we do, it's about who we are. We realized that we were not the right people, we didn't do the right things, we thought in wrong ways, and now we realized that, and repented, receiving a new mind, becoming the right people.

Discipling, renewing the mind, these are training in living out of that new mind now.

We need to renew our minds because we are so used to thinking of everything according to how well I'm doing, and not according to what God is doing in me.

If we forget about ourselves, and magnify the Lord, and worship Him, as we turn our eyes upon Jesus, the world grows dim, doesn't matter, glory and grace so outshine everything.

Much love!

justbyfaith · Jul 2, 2020

marks said:
Our repentance unto salvation is not about what we do, it's about who we are.

Who we are continues to be sinners (people who have indwelling sin, 1 John 1:8).

So our repentance has to do more with action than who we are on the inside.

In me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells no good thing (Romans 7:18).

But, inasmuch as my spirit has become one with the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:17, Ephesians 3:19), I have a new nature that can walk in God's statutes and in His judgments (Ezekiel 36:25-27).

The old man, who I used to be, my flesh, is still who I am to a certain extent. It is the dichotomy of flesh and Spirit that is spoken of in holy scripture.

Now the flesh can be crucified so that indwelling sin doesn't have any more say over our behaviour (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8).

So then if my flesh is crucified, the old man is crucified.

There is a definite change that takes place on the inside of us; however that change is not the eradication of sin from who we are as people (1 John 1:8).

It has to do with putting sin to death (Romans 8:12-13, Colossians 3:5-6) so that we no longer are bound to sin to obey it in our behaviour.

And this has primarily to do with our practice. As we mortify the deeds of the body in the power of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:12-13), we do not sin. And this is in the practical sense and not concerning the eradication of sin from our nature (1 John 1:8).

GodsGrace · Jul 3, 2020

Behold said:
Nicodemus would have known the difference between childbirth by water breaking, and water baptism.
Dont get caught up in "catholic scholar" deception, that tries to prove that water regenerates the soul.
Water gets you wet.
Jesus's blood takes care of your soul.

First of all I'm not Catholic, but I do respect many of their teachings.
Second,,,do you think all Protestant scholars agree that it's natural birth?

Take a look at commentaries from biblehub...

John 3:5 Commentaries: Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

GodsGrace · Jul 3, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Who we are continues to be sinners (people who have indwelling sin, 1 John 1:8).

So our repentance has to do more with action than who we are on the inside.

In me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells no good thing (Romans 7:18).

But, inasmuch as my spirit has become one with the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:17, Ephesians 3:19), I have a new nature that can walk in God's statutes and in His judgments (Ezekiel 36:25-27).

The old man, who I used to be, my flesh, is still who I am to a certain extent. It is the dichotomy of flesh and Spirit that is spoken of in holy scripture.

Now the flesh can be crucified so that indwelling sin doesn't have any more say over our behaviour (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8).

So then if my flesh is crucified, the old man is crucified.

There is a definite change that takes place on the inside of us; however that change is not the eradication of sin from who we are as people (1 John 1:8).

It has to do with putting sin to death (Romans 8:12-13, Colossians 3:5-6) so that we no longer are bound to sin to obey it in our behaviour.

And this has primarily to do with our practice. As we mortify the deeds of the body in the power of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:12-13), we do not sin. And this is in the practical sense and not concerning the eradication of sin from our nature (1 John 1:8).

Well said.
This has come to be so contentious in our Christian faith.
It's obvious that Jesus commanded us to obey Him and this is done by action that is dictated
by being IN CHRIST.

Too many, these days, make it sound as if our actions have no consequences...even if this may not be what they intend; although some do come right out and proclaim we are save forever - no matter what. This is false and incorrect Christian teaching which comes about because of teachings that are not in line with what Jesus meant.

Behold · Jul 3, 2020

justbyfaith said:
It turns out that the repenting availed for me when I did it.

If you are repenting and confessing, you are out of the will of God.
Try not to stay there.

Behold · Jul 3, 2020

GodsGrace said:
First of all I'm not Catholic, but I do respect many of their teachings.
Second,,,do you think all Protestant scholars agree that it's natural birth?

Take a look at commentaries from biblehub...

John 3:5 Commentaries: Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Im also not a Catholic.
So....the answer is...
Its Because Nicodemus says....>"how can i go back into my mother's womb". = He understood that born the first time was the water breaking and the baby came out.
This was his response to "you must be .... BORN.......again.....or one more time.
Nicodemus was not understanding that Jesus meant "spiritual birth" = #2 birth, and replied "how can i come out of the womb a second time".
Born once on Earth, and BORN AGAIN into God's Spirit, is what Jesus was talking about...
Nicodemus only understood "birth" as "womb birth".

Its So amazing that "scholars" who have more degrees then a Thermometer, can't just read what the man says.
Also, the idea of "water baptism" being salvation, comes from a devil corrupted Latin Manuscript that created the Catholic Bible.
In the text that was used to create the Catholic Bible, the translator knowingly mistranslated "born again" as "born again BY water".
= Baptismal regeneration, = HERESY.
So, that is why the Catholics are all about the water and the sprinkling.
A devil led Translator gave them a bible that ruined their understanding of "born again", and nearly every other doctrine that Paul teaches.
Catholics are a victim of their bible, that they were not even allowed to read, till 1961.
Imagine a cult that tells you....."don't read the word of God",.. just come to US and we will tell you what to BELIEVE.

So, this cult has them praying to dead people who are referred to by the CC as "saints".
This cult has them twisting beads and doing penance.
It has them believing that if the were sprinkled by the city water system, then all is well between them and God as long as they keep going to "confession" and doing "penance" and "dying in a state of Grace".
Mary as the Queen of Heaven. (face palm).
The list is so long.......and its so sad, because, its nearly impossible for a Catholic to even consider that something is very wrong, and even then, they are so mind controlled...........

Josho · Jul 3, 2020

@Behold we are made righteous through Jesus Christ, God is gracious and forgiving.

But it still doesn't mean we have a license to sin.

Not a sinner.

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