Believe Right = Live HOLY

Behold · Jul 3, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
It is not our wrong believing that keeps our flesh wanting to sin. Those wanting to sin, do so naturally. It is the FACT that they have not been born again. They have never truly repented and been given the Spirit of Christ to indwell us and been given the mind of Christ.

Do you have a natural desire to sin, now that you are born again?
Better work on that, as you should not... unless you are trying to stop sinning by effort and will, and in that case, you will sin more and not be able to stop.
"the power of sin is the law".
The law has dominion over the flesh.. It runs it, it empowers it to sin.
You stop this by right believing.
There is no other way.

Behold · Jul 3, 2020

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Behold · Jul 3, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
Christ died for your past sins

To teach that Christ died only for past sin, is a lie.
Don't do that.
See, if Christ only paid for our past sin, then He only paid for a part of our sin.
The truth is, He paid for ALL of your sin. Colossians 2:13

A one time sacrifice for ALL sin.
Christ hath gained ETERNAL REDEMPTION for the born again.
To be "eternally redeemed" is not possible if Christ did not redeem ALL sin.

Behold · Jul 3, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
You have no idea the consequences you will receive by teachings these heresies. You also don't know WHY Jesus came, Romans 8:29-30, nor the power of the Spirit of Christ and how it literally changes us, not making fake Christians that act no different than the world.

I can't make a Christian, nor can i make a fake one.
God makes Christians, I just teach them how to live within right believing so that they can stop sinning and repenting.
You sound so bitter while you state carnal and false accusations.
Listen,
Just read my Threads and find your help there.
Also...
No weapon formed against me shall prosper..
Behold,
if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against their brother;
Then shall you do unto them, as they had thought to have done unto their brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

marks · Jul 3, 2020

What does God mean when He tells us to put off the old man and put on the new man?

Behold · Jul 3, 2020

marks said:
What does God mean when He tells us to put off the old man and put on the new man?

When you are not born again, you have a mind that sees only as an unbeliever can see, think, reason, and believe.
When you become a Born Again Believer, you are given a new Spirit and a new conscience that is separated from that other mind that is the flesh.
The born again, are separated from that previous mind and given a new mind (conscience) and a spiritual birth that remakes them as "the righteousness of God in Christ".
The old man is who you were INSIDE, before you were saved.
That part of you, died on the Cross, but, its ability to try to regain your mind, is your flesh.
You are not to allow this to become your mind, again.
You are to renew your mind and walk in a different mind that is the Mind of Christ.
There are things you are to put in your mind or think on, all the time. = Philippians 4:8

This NEW mind operates in Faith and in Love and in Spiritual discernment with a very strong conscience and spiritual sensitivity that resists being drawn into any deed that would offend the Holy Spirit that is in you.

Perhaps you noticed after you were born again, that sin became very sinful to you.
You recognized sin as being everywhere.....you understood 'sin", in a way you didnt before...
That is the Holy Spirit's interaction within the new Conscience.
Becoming really "sin sensitive" is one way you can know that God has done something inside you..
Sinners (unbelievers) dont have this, but the born again do.

justbyfaith · Jul 3, 2020

Behold said:
You are not saved by "not falling away".
Jesus said , If you have Him, you will "never perish".
Jesus said, "If you have Him, no man can take you out of His hand."
This means even the person themselves cant take themselves away from Christ and Salvation.

You are teaching the heresy of "lose your salvation"

The Bible teaches this "heresy".

Luk 8:13, They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Do you believe and/or teach that those who fall away continue to have salvation?

If you do, then you are a teacher of heretical doctrine.

Behold said:
You are a legalist, pretending to be "justbyfaith".... and that is why you reject the Cross and the Blood of Jesus as ETERNAL LIFE< and would spit on this truth by your teaching of.....if you abide and dont fall away, you keep yourself saved".
Your savior, is your "not falling away". and your "abiding". = WORKS. = SELF EFFORT.
You are a "self savor".

I am simply taking all of scripture into account.

Behold said:
Don't teach this in public.
STOP.
Keep your heresy to yourself.
Galatians 1:8 is not a joke.

Luke 8:13 teaches that a man can fall away after having believed; so it is not heresy since the Bible teaches it.

But to you, anything that contradicts what you teach is heresy.

Whereas the real definition of heresy is that which contradicts the word of the Lord.

Behold said:
So, charismaticlady, lets say you stole some grapes from a store today.
That SIN, was paid for 2000 yrs ago, if you are born again.
That sin is not on you, its on JESUS.
If it was on you, you'd be lost, and not saved.
And until you understand this about your sin, you will not be able to come into mental agreement, perfectly, with The Blood Atonement or the Grace of God.

The blood atonement provides for sanctification (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29, 1 John 1:7).

The blood of Jesus does indeed justify (Romans 5:9). It also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29, 1 John 1:7).

Is it possible that, when applied, it can do one thing without also doing the other?

Behold said:
Im nothing to do with "gnostics" or stupid theories.
Also, i dont repent and confess, because i dont have sin.

Which, the latter part of this statement is a teaching of the gnostics.

Behold said:
Dont teach that only past sin is resolved, because if you teach this lie and heresy, you are teaching that a person is responsible for their sin, and that rejects the Blood Atonement.

Men are indeed responsible for their own behaviour; otherwise the whole idea of judgment is a farce.

Behold said:
But if you get into the heresy that BY keeping commandments or by living a good clean life, is how you stay connected to God and remain saved, you are teaching the devil's lie of self saving. Galatians 1:8
Be careful of that line.

I would point out what it says in Romans 11:20-22:

Rom 11:20, Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21, For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22, Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Behold said:
That is the Holy Spirit's interaction within the new Conscience.
Becoming really "sin sensitive" is one way you can know that God has done something inside you..
Sinners (unbelievers) dont have this, but the born again do.

Now you're teaching my doctrine.

CharismaticLady · Jul 3, 2020

Behold said:
One of your wrong theories is that you have sin, if you sin.
Why is this not possible if you are born again?
Because you can't be "in Christ" as "the righteousness of God, and be a sinner.
Jesus can't have your sin and you also have it.
One of you has it, so, decide who..

You obviously didn't read my post very well, which is why you are making some hilarious assumptions.

I said that Jesus doesn't have our sin anymore. It is you that says Jesus still has it. What are they, trophies? No! They are destroyed and forgotten. Our nature has been cleansed and we no longer want to sin, so don't.

It is you that also says that a Christian sins, but it isn't called sin. That is not scriptural. If a Christian willfully sin, they weren't a Christian in the first place - it is a dichotomy.

Behold said:
The reason you think you have sin, is because you don't yet believe that Jesus died for the "sin of the world", and not just for the born again.

Hysterical! I never said I willfully sin. Another proof you didn't understand my post.

Behold said:
See, Christ redeemed the entire world from sin. He paid for it all.. He took it all, became it all, and its gone.
YET, this redemption that paid for the sin of the world is not applied to every person, YET.
A person will "die in their sin", because they have not received the FINISHED Blood Atonement that has paid for the sin of the world, already.
The Blood Atonement (the finished work of Jesus on the Cross) does not SKIP any sin.
It paid for the sin of the world., 2000 yrs ago, and is always reaching into eternity.
Regarding the "world".. John 3:16 There is no sin but one that isn't already paid for, by the blood of Jesus.
The one sin is Christ Rejection, which is the unpardonable sin.

What you have not read in scripture even though I POSTED IT. Another proof you didn't read my post. 2 Peter 1:9 says He paid for our old sins. You think, Jesus paid for our willful future sins also. No! That is totally unscriptural. Here is what scripture says, hoping you read this:

Hebrews 10:26
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins

This is because only our past sins are taken away, because Jesus provides the way for us to no longer sin at all - His Spirit. Romans 8:2

Behold said:
So, charismaticlady, lets say you stole some grapes from a store today.
That SIN, was paid for 2000 yrs ago, if you are born again.
That sin is not on you, its on JESUS.
If it was on you, you'd be lost, and not saved.
And until you understand this about your sin, you will not be able to come into mental agreement, perfectly, with The Blood Atonement or the Grace of God.
ALL sin is solved and resolved by Jesus 2000 yrs ago, but not all have this resolution as "justification by Faith".
Only the Born again have it.

1. I wouldn't steal anything. Do you know why?

Hebrews 10:30-31

CharismaticLady · Jul 3, 2020

Behold said:
Im nothing to do with "gnostics" or stupid theories.
Also, i dont repent and confess, because i dont have sin.
Jesus has it.

Did you ever repent at all?

CharismaticLady · Jul 3, 2020

Behold said:
Jesus became our sin and died for our sin, on the Cross.
All Our sin is there, if we are born again.

Colossians 2:13. = God forgave all our sin.
Not some, not the first 234, and not just "till the day we were saved, but not any after".

God forgave and forgot, ALL our sin.
Sin is gone.

All our sin up to the time He cleansed us. IOW, all our PAST SINS.

CharismaticLady · Jul 3, 2020

Behold said:
I can't make a Christian, nor can i make a fake one.

I didn't say you could. Unless you think you are the Spirit...

Behold said:
God makes Christians, I just teach them how to live within right believing so that they can stop sinning and repenting.

You are not teaching scriptural truth, but only what you mistakenly believe.

Behold said:
You sound so bitter while you state carnal and false accusations.

I've been on forums for years, and the scriptures are so clear. So why are you teaching heresies, and won't even read the scriptures that prove you are mistaken. What you teach is very dangerous for immature Christians.

Behold said:
Listen,
Just read my Threads and find your help there.
Also...
No weapon formed against me shall prosper..
Behold,
if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against their brother;
Then shall you do unto them, as they had thought to have done unto their brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

Your threads could send someone to hell if they acted on them. And you refuse scriptural instruction. Proverbs 1:7

justbyfaith · Jul 4, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
It is you that also says that a Christian sins, but it isn't called sin. That is not scriptural.

There is a sense in which it is scriptural.

We are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6).

What this means is that the law no longer points us out as sinners (Romans 4:15, Romans 5:13)...

It no longer condemns us from the outside (as being written on tablets of stone); while it most assuredly ought to govern us from the inside (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4); as being written on fleshy tables of human hearts (2 Corinthians 3:3).

See also Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19.

FollowHim · Jul 4, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
Correct, so is everyone who believes in Jesus, saved?

Jesus says simply the love in their heart will show their true reality.

I know someone who went to church their whole life, yet get too close and they will eat you. However they constructed things thorns and thistles dominated.

We cannot know who has found God and who has not but this fruit speaks volumes. Put simply when blows reign down what is one's response? Love or hate? Indignation, or prayer for the sinners soul? Jesus prayed, so should we.

FollowHim · Jul 4, 2020

Faith in God's love.
Jesus believed in the power of His love alive on people's hearts. When some believe most are wrong, it is they who do not know Jesus's reality. We never know, only the light within.

It is not our place to judge, just to shine. Often sin of domination hides itself in spiritual clothes but is still the same. I know no one here, but I can encourage others to walk deeper and stronger in Him. Amen

Behold · Jul 4, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
Did you ever repent at all?

Never.
I dont confess or repent.
I walk in the Spirit.
(See my Threads).

Try to understand that Paul said this.
Or even better, try to BELIEVE IT at some point in your LIFE

= "if you walk in the SPIRIT, you will not SIN".

See this part? = "will not sin"?

Think about that for a while, before you run to 1 John 1 and try to twist that verse again and again and again..

Behold · Jul 4, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
All our sin up to the time He cleansed us. IOW, all our PAST SINS.

God on the Cross obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION for us.
God on the Cross became all sin, and redeemed the born again from ALL sin....not just a part. Not just their past sin.
Colossians 2:13

Read the word """ALL"" in that verse, and believe it, and stop teaching heresy that denies the Cross and the FINISHED work of Jesus on the Cross.
Stop being deceived.
Wake up.

Behold · Jul 4, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
I've been on forums for years,

You say you've been on forums for years, and yet you still have no idea that the blood of Jesus, the blood atonement, is not a part time redemption, or a temporary solution for sin.
You can't even realize or believe John 3:16.
Maybe its time you get off forums and stop twisting verses to try to harm sincere believers.
Or, you can read my Threads, and stop living in the dark.
That's my advice.

And something else, Mrs deceiver....
You have accused me, more then once, here, of being a "gnostic".
So, i say you are a deceiver who can't prove this.. not ever.
Here is your opportunity to prove you have STUDIED my Threads and compared them to "gnostic" teaching, and are not just using some word you dont even understand or comprehend, (gnostic) regarding THAT theology, and just want to impugn me falsely, by associating me with with that word.

So, here is what you need to do.... asap.
Post the "gnostic" theology, regarding where it is exactly what i teach, YOU SAY, = YOU ACCUES ME.... so that we here on the Fourm can see that you have even any knowledge of their theology, having actually read any of it.
I say you've never read any, and can't even post any that can be compared to what i teach regarding "justification by faith", and "no sin in Christ" and the Position of the Born again, as "the righteousness of God IN CHRIST" having the "gift of Righteousness" as our ETERNAL SECURITY and Eternal Life, in Jesus, "in Christ".
I say you are a deceiver who can't even post ANY "gnostic" theology that even slightly resembles PAUL's Theology, as that is all i teach.
"Pauline Theology".
So, lets see you do it.
And dont dodge my Request, as you need to not just accuse, you need to offer some evidence of my so called "guilt". and "deception" based on "gnostic" teaching that you say i am all about.

Provide it, deceiver.

B

Stan B · Jul 4, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
Correct, so is everyone who believes in Jesus, saved?

That seems to be the way my Bible reads, and the foundation of our faith.

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Stan B · Jul 4, 2020

CharismaticLady said:
Correct. So how does one who believes in Jesus receive the Holy Spirit. Remember even the demons believe and tremble.

cc: @Stan B

Yes, demons know who He is, but they do not believe in Him. The message I get from Scripture is that those who believe in Him place their trust in Him. We are given new life as a new creation in Christ Jesus.

"However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Romans 8:9

The way I see it is that when we are born again we become a new creature, with a new spirit; the Spirit of God now indwells us.

FollowHim · Jul 4, 2020

Behold said:
Never.
I dont confess or repent.
I walk in the Spirit.
(See my Threads).

Try to understand that Paul said this.
Or even better, try to BELIEVE IT at some point in your LIFE

= "if you walk in the SPIRIT, you will not SIN".

See this part? = "will not sin"?

Think about that for a while, before you run to 1 John 1 and try to twist that verse again and again and again..

If you never repent then you stay a sinner. Closed book. With sin comes sorrow.

Believe Right = Live HOLY

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