The great harlot Rev 17, 18

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amadeus

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I think without debate we can say fornication has been normalized in the past 2-3 decades, and Hollywood has been the centre of the entertainment world for many decades now, there also has been an oversexualization of the entertainment industry, could we say Hollywood is the modern day Babylon?

Possibly.
Everyone who is confused with regard to God and His purpose is presently part of Babylon. I would say that unbelievers are not included as they do not concern themselves one way or the other about God's plan.
 
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...Some Christians even mix Christian spirituality with tribal spirituality.
This is effectively what happened in Samaria [northern 10 tribes of Israel] after they were under the thumb of Assyria. They mixed paganism with the laws given to Moses. The OT is filled with types and shadows what we see today.
 

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...the system which has been there since babylon was created after the flood.
Actually before the city of Babylon, we have the tower of Babel [Gen 11]. The two words [Babylon and Babel] are the same, both meaning confusion. Today the confusion is found in groups called churches who vehemently at times oppose each other usually not even understanding what groups other than their own are believing or saying that they are believing. They are all confused except anyone who is really following the lead of the Holy Spirit first... all of the time.
 
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I thought mystery Babylon was all the false religions of the world
Think of the confused state of the 30 to 40,000 denominations calling themselves Christian based on the same Bibles while often being diametrically opposed to each other in beliefs or doctrines or rituals or.... ?
 
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Think of the confused state of the 30 to 40,000 denominations calling themselves Christian based on the same Bibles while often being diametrically opposed to each other in beliefs or doctrines or rituals or.... ?

I was thinking more along the lines of non Christian religions
 
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amadeus

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Or you could also look at the religious structure in place at the time Jesus walked the shores of Galilee and climbed the mountains of Judea, and compare that to the religious of today.

Israel was often reference as the wife of God.
The parallels between the natural children of Jacob [Israel] up until the birth of Jesus and the supposedly Christian church from the time of Jesus until today are striking. Does no one see a message from God in it?
 

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I was thinking more along the lines of non Christian religions
They are only included in the confusion, I believe, if they something real combined with something of men.

Where would we draw the line between Christian and non-Christian? The JWs, the Mormons and tongue talkers call themselves Christian but are called non-Christian by others. Let God draw the line, if a line needs to be drawn.
 
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Paul said when I depart wolves will come in not sparing the flock.

Indeed, and I believe he says that they will draw others away after them.

Compare with 1john 2:18-19


Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that the antichrist was coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. Thus we know this is the last hour.

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.



Should we not remain within the apostolic community? It is those who call 'come away' that are themselves the wolves. Preying on the innocent..

Peace be with you!
 

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Indeed, and I believe he says that they will draw others away after them.

Compare with 1john 2:18-19


Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that the antichrist was coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. Thus we know this is the last hour.

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.



Should we not remain within the apostolic community? It is those who call 'come away' that are themselves the wolves. Preying on the innocent..

Peace be with you!
We are supposed to be under Christ.

Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Joh 10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Joh 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Joh 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

But men prefer strangers
 

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Jerusalem is the harlot.
Revelation reveals Jesus on the throne.
Revelation deals with two women.
Ot. Jerusalem, which became an adulterous harlot.
The New Jerusalem, the faithful. Bride,the church.
Compare the language in. Jer50,51,with rev 18:4.
Babylon was Israel's enemy in the ot.
Jerusalem killing the prophets and Jesus had become spiritually adulterous, and as Babylon, the saints were told to flee out of Babylon.
 
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Indeed, and I believe he says that they will draw others away after them.

Compare with 1john 2:18-19


Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that the antichrist was coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. Thus we know this is the last hour.

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.



Should we not remain within the apostolic community? It is those who call 'come away' that are themselves the wolves. Preying on the innocent..

Peace be with you!
I see it as God in revelation saying come out of her.
 
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Jerusalem is the harlot.
Revelation reveals Jesus on the throne.
Revelation deals with two women.
Ot. Jerusalem, which became an adulterous harlot.
The New Jerusalem, the faithful. Bride,the church.
Compare the language in. Jer50,51,with rev 18:4.
Babylon was Israel's enemy in the ot.
Jerusalem killing the prophets and Jesus had become spiritually adulterous, and as Babylon, the saints were told to flee out of Babylon.
Sorry hadn't seen your post prior to mine.
 

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The parallels between the natural children of Jacob [Israel] up until the birth of Jesus and the supposedly Christian church from the time of Jesus until today are striking. Does no one see a message from God in it?
I'm beginning to believe that judaizers did corrupt the original established church and what we have now is a confused mess. You know it's not to far from Jerusalem to rome?

Maybe philip is right, maybe I'm an antichrist wolf?
 

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It's not to hard to see

Hosea 2:4-11 KJV
And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms. [5] For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink. [6] Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths. [7] And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them : then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now. [8] For she did not know that I gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal. [9] Therefore will I return, and take away my corn in the time thereof, and my wine in the season thereof, and will recover my wool and my flax given to cover her nakedness. [10] And now will I discover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers, and none shall deliver her out of mine hand. [11] I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

What do you think, can anyone see religion in this?

I believe your giving the Roman Catholic to much credit.

Sadly... this is why I have asked for this discussion is my little brain is simply unable to figure out the puzzle mysteries in the bible... a passage such as the above has to many components to it... Anyways.... I do believe RELIGION is part of the Harlot... I absolutely believe this... in all denominations... ( what ever has been perverted ... the actions of clergy seen and unseen ... the incorrect doctrines that dare to rebel against what the bible has said... anything that has USED the name of CHRIST for impure motive... This is so far what I can see that Harlot to be... and it is indeed WAY bigger than the Catholic church.

very happy for your contribution... I understand it's not anyone's job to walk me through scripture... but I do appreciate it...
 

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I understand it's not anyone's job to walk me through scripture... but I do appreciate it..
You want to know the truth seek after Christs He will open your eyes. Revelation doesnt come from men or reading the bible it comes from God from Heaven.
 

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Its not just about Her, and I would not think being called a Harlot was any credit, and she like all mens religions has prostituted herself, look at the influence she has on the world and all the wealth she has collected and all the dressing up to make herself look good to the world.

I really believe that this is a HUGE part of the Harlot...I just don't know if it all of it... (meaning if it might not be broader even then sins of the churches)... the BRIDE ( the BODY of Christ... HIS church ) has definitely PROSTITUTED herself... but for those who think this is only the Catholic church... I would disagree... this is a BROAD judgement on all CHRISTIAN religions. In my opinion.
 
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