What are Your Feelings on Tithes

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Candidus

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It is true that Tithing predated the LAW......that is of no importance......had it been an important factor to support Tithing , Paul would have promoted Tithing and used that (irrelevant ) fact to bolster his argument....we know that he didn’t .....he promoted “ cheerful” giving....
Circumcision predates the Law... blessings were connected; what is a Christian to conclude?

Abraham gave a tithe of the spoils of war... one single time; never to be repeated. A one-time event does not establish a perpetual obligation!

If you want to use Abraham's tithe as a pattern, then tithe what you get from the spoils of war!

There is not, one single time in all of Scripture, a command to tithe from anything other than agricultural increase. To "define" a tithe as a tenth of one's gross income, is not supported by the Bible in any way. Such a definition can only be explained by ignorance or human greed.
 

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Maybe you've stumbled upon the true rapture of God?

I don’t know. Just odd to see it there. A word so readily used and tossed around, kind of jumps at you. Matthew 11:12-14 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. [13] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. [14] And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Mark 9:11-13 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? [12] And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. [13] But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

1 Corinthians 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:

Philippians 1:28-30 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God. (A better enduring substance)[29] For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; [30] Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear to be in me.

Hebrews 13:12-13 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. [13] Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

1 Peter 4:1-2 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered (without the gate, bearing his reproach)in the flesh hath ceased from sin; [2] That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
 

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Except there was no pastor in Jerusalem that was paid a salary. The church was governed by a plurality of unpaid Elders.

Scripture?

Think what you like. In the original, it says one of the sabbaths. What does it say in the original in your bible?

We no longer have the original autographs. My Bible says "the first day of the week". Are you SDA?

And it doesn't say all scripture is etc etc etc for everyone who reads it. If that is how you take it are you going to dash your son against a brick wall?

They did not have pastors.

They did (Ephesians 4:11).

To "define" a tithe as a tenth of one's gross income, is not supported by the Bible in any way. Such a definition can only be explained by ignorance or human greed.

Tithing a tenth of one's gross income, is a way of simplifying what God required, in the case that you don't have any agricultural increase...your responsibility to tithe is not negated by the fact that you are not a farmer.
 

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Tithing a tenth of one's gross income, is a way of simplifying what God required, in the case that you don't have any agricultural increase...your responsibility to tithe is not negated by the fact that you are not a farmer.

You actually need Biblical sanction and not just some personal belief to change what God says about tithes and tithing. You are doing what Jesus condemned the Pharisees for, adding burdens that were never stated by God.
 

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There is not, one single time in all of Scripture, a command to tithe from anything other than agricultural increase.

What is your definition of agricultural increase? ‘And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; [17] And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended. [18] And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, [19] And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, (the heart)choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. [20] And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.’ Mark 4:16-20

Mark 4:5-8 And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth: [6] But when the sun was up, it was scorched; (burned)and because it had no root, it withered away. [7] And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit. [8] And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.

What kind of agricultural increase is that?
 

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You actually need Biblical sanction and not just some personal belief to change what God says about tithes and tithing. You are doing what Jesus condemned the Pharisees for, adding burdens that were never stated by God.

By all means, don't tithe yourself....but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD; by tithing 1/10 of our gross every month (as well as other obediences).
 

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Do you think these words apply to all of us?

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

An ongoing dispute in our home. Flesh is partial and a respecter of persons. Not God. Does God change? He told them all nations would be blessed through them. All nations. Then told them to remove the pointed finger speaking lies of vanity from among them. How many times God asked them ...you say I am unequal...then challenged them ‘are you not the ones unequal?’ Matthew 15:22-28 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. [23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. [24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. [26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. [27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. [28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Acts 10:44-47 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. [46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

How many did He receive that came to Him. All. Questions then:
is God partial?
is God unequal?
is He a respecter of persons?

To not be ‘partial’, to not show partiality...seems absolutely impossible. But He said what is impossible with men, is possible with God. He told them all nations would be blessed through them.
James 3:16-17 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. [17] But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
 
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An ongoing dispute in our home. Flesh is partial and a respecter of persons. Not God. Does God change? He told them all nations would be blessed through them. All nations. Then told them to remove the pointed finger speaking lies of vanity from among them. How many times God asked them ...you say I am unequal...then challenged them ‘are you not the ones unequal?’ Matthew 15:22-28 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. [23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. [24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. [26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. [27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. [28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
Gospel, didn't say anything about salvation, just her daughter was made whole.


How many did He receive that came to Him. All. Questions then:
is God partial?
is God unequal?
is He a respecter of persons?

To not be ‘partial’, to not show partiality...seems absolutely impossible. But He said what is impossible with men, is possible with God. He told them all nations would be blessed through them.
James 3:16-17 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. [17] But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Acts 10:44-47 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. [46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Jesus was partial to his own. The children of Israel.
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Gentiles have been grafted in only because the fullness of Israel has yet to be grafted in. Jesus made a way for us, I speak for myself, because Israel as a whole has not yet been grafted in. I, for one, pray they will come quickly.
 
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By all means, don't tithe yourself....but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD; by tithing 1/10 of our gross every month (as well as other obediences).
Be sure to genuflect and make the sign of the cross when you do it! God will be impressed! o_O
 

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that's a small 'g' god there.... destroying souls and families and people's lives and people's faith....
 
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Do you think these words apply to all of us?

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
In context, Jesus is saying that His personal ministry was not to Gentiles. Yes, this applies to all of us; while we know from other scripture that the Holy Spirit would be sent to minister to Gentiles.
 

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Lovely...

Let me make it clear that I do not have an ounce of Catholicism in me.
And you do not have an once of Bible in you concerning Tithing in the New Testament. God will be no more impressed by your obedience to a rule that He never commanded of Christians, anymore than if you "sacrificed" and gave up chocolate for 40 days, ate only fish as meat on Fridays, or genuflected.
 

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The thief comes but to steal, kill and destroy. ‘I come so that you may have Life’ (the better enduring substance).
Galatians 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
unfortunately that is nothing to do with the version we get in our congregations now imo
they are all tacitly or explicity death centered
 

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I believe for those looking for a rapture, it's on the way but in many ways it won't be as expected.
ha well if one has found Rapture in harpazo i would question their hermenetics anyway i guess
Bible is full of rapture, in Songs, and some prophet i think, this snatching away stuff?
i will cancel teh bargain you made to cheat death i mean how much plainer can it get. It goes on.
Tomorrow Ppl is not the way to go imo
Maybe you've stumbled upon the true rapture of God?
ha well i quoted you to chide that for a bad way to get to rapture, but who knows
 
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unfortunately that is nothing to do with the version we get in our congregations now imo
they are all tacitly or explicity death centered

Was told most of my life about the rapture. I could not wait to be rapture out of here! Even though I wasn’t interested in a relationship with God, being snatched up gave me something to look forward to. Always heard harpazo was where rapture comes from. To snatch. catch away. Take. Do not know how it comes from the word. Do not know how there was a movie on how is the world going to explain the disappearances of so many people. Wouldn’t there be carcasses left behind freaking people out? Or would their bodies immediately turn to dust? In an instant? Why? Questions I had back then...still unanswered by the way.