Has anyone here ever exp'd a false prophet?

Miss Hepburn · Nov 12, 2009

Being drawn to the Lord by the Lord... I was filled with awe and joy.After I slowly met others that were "into" God --- I started hearing about an anti-Christ, false prophets, beware of this and that. I knew nothing really about the Bible, let alone Revelations.As I talk to Christians - I find out about how we are to "Beware!".I read it here - fear of people that might speak in tongues or heal or other such things. Be sure they do not oppose the Message of Jesus.Who are these people, where are these people that there is so much caution (fear) around ---where are they?The folks I meet are just lovely.This is not the only forum where I read about being so careful -it feels very scary and forboding.Any examples? There has been so much talk influencing me - I actually thought a friend was the devil!! He was just acting out from his childhood pain and being a baby.I had to have a serious talk with myself to not get swept away from all I was being exposed to. "Devil here, anti-Christ there, false prophet behind the chair..." Thanks, much appreciated.

gumby · Nov 12, 2009

Read the scriptures child the bible says that many will come claiming to be christ. Matthew 24:5, Matthew 24:23, Matthew 24:24, Matthew 24:26, Mark 13:6, Mark 13:21, Mark 13:22, Luke 21:8 and 2nd Thessalonians 2:3. Look aroud you there already in our churches, in our politics, in our schools and on the street corner. Dont be deceived child.

Christina · Nov 12, 2009

They are everywhere

Redeemed22 · Nov 13, 2009

We can classify false prophets for the sake of discussion.For example, anyone other than Christ claiming to be Christ is a false prophet... and we have lots of warnings in scripture, as gumby pointing out. However, this is not the only sort of false prophet. Prophesying is not strictly "foretelling". Biblically it carries the connotations of preaching, teaching, warning, and the sharing of any knowledge gained supernaturally, which could be foretelling. Put another way, prophesy can take the form of forthtelling (consoling, teaching, warning, etc), foretelling (telling the future), or both. Forthtelling is arguably the most common form in our times, and likely so in most times. So I don’t confuse anybody, let me assure you I believe scripture is complete, but God can continue to reveal things.Prophesying is for the building up of the Church, and must be orderly. Also, a prophet is subject to the discerning and prophesying of others. (See 1 Corinthians 14:29-30). Prophesying (unlike the prophesying for the scriptures, see 2 Peter 1:20) doesn’t mean God is ‘forcing’ you to exactly say certain things. Paul wouldn’t write to have one prophet stop speaking when another starts if God was going to take care of that for us.Thus, even a "true prophet" can smudge a few details, which is why others will evaluate, and why one prophet should yield to another. Prophesy in scripture is of course flawless and was 100% breathed by God. (See again 2 Peter 1:19-21), so don't get me wrong. It is like we are cell phones receiving calls. We don't always receive the signal well (the issue is on our end); we may misunderstand or "mishear" a few words. That doesn't make us false prophets, but it does give cause to have others evaluate what was said. This is the same for any teaching or preaching. The teacher and preacher are trying to communicate God's truth. They have a legitimate connection with God, but they can make errors.Crudely put, a "true prophet" is receiving signals from the Spirit. A false prophet is receiving signals from Satan indirectly by "making crap up", or directly receiving signals from Satan, ie speaking from Satan.I think most false prophets in our culture are of the "indirect" Satanic form. Paul warned a lot about teachers, preachers, and prophets who would "preach" to get money, status, respect, fame etc.. They are telling lies, half-truths, twisted truths, and maybe a few truths. They are not like the "true prophet" because they are only pretending to have God on the line.We can discern these by testing them against the standards of Scripture. You want to keep "indirect" prophets out of your household like you would the flu, rabid rats, or the common cold. Their teachings can cause various levels of problems, and should not be welcome in any degree.Of the directly Satanic type, you want to keep it out of your household like you would the Ebola virus. It is the most destructive kind of false prophecy, arguably, but isn't all over the place like the indirect type. Scripture gives us a way to test spirits. 1 John 4:1-6. I don't recommend testing the "indirect" false prophets by asking them about Jesus like 1 John 4:2-3 has us test the spirits. False prophets can say all the lies they want to, including that they believe that Christ came in the flesh to pay for our sins bla bla bla [send me money], but they do not know God. Test them against the scriptures.Under the covering of a Bible believing Church and the Spirit, "direct" false prophets aren't persistently a threat. You don't have to be constantly looking over your shoulder. However, false doctrines are all over the place. We should not be complacent.To answer the question, I have met false teachers who pretend belief to get money. I haven’t met any people claiming to be Christ, or that I could say were unambiguously speaking directly from Satan.-Redeemed22

Miss Hepburn · Nov 13, 2009

To answer the question, I have met false teachers who pretend belief to get money. I haven’t met any people claiming to be Christ, or that I could say were unambiguously speaking directly from Satan. Redeemed22

Thank you, Redeemed, for answering the question.That's what I mean - who the heck is claiming to be Christ?I mean you have your nuts like Jeffers, Manson, the The Waco guy, Jim Jones, etc. They are loons. Mental cases.From reading above I see the psychics at the Psychic Fairs would fit in.Some TV Evangelists, but not all. ( Some are fabulous teachers and sell their CD's and need money to keep going -others are pretty scary.)But, Christina - "everywhere" is what I was directing my question for ---that is the ambiguous scary feeling that I read so much about -like they are my friends, my neighbors, lurking ...what exactly do you mean?I don't go to fortune tellers, no one I know is saying they are Christ, none of the people I know are prophecying any future anything. There are some radio programs that have paranormal wacky things appealing to sensationalism hungry folk - the Art Bell crowd. Books by Jeanne Dixon would qualify.But this "everywhere thing" I read alot and it just does not make sense to me.The corners I look around the only thing there is more sidewalk.Thanks guys, Miss Hepburn

Redeemed22 · Nov 13, 2009

Well, Satan is the Antichrist. Satan is the father of lies. Lies are all over the place. Thus the influence of the Antichrist is everywhere.We are to tear down any pretention that sets itself up against the truth of Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5The subtleties of Satan are everywhere. More graphic stuff, like the fictionized versions see in movies, are silly to look all around for. If you have Christ, you will know it when you see it. It is the subtleties that are more pernicious.Paul tells us to "be alert and self controled because your enemy, the devil, prowls like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." 1 Peter 5:8. So it is not an issue of calling Ghostbusters, but an issue of not drifting into apathy and distraction. The grounding of resisting Satan by the power of the blood of Jesus in day to day stuff is just what is needed in times of more evident and "scary" spiritual battle. Our armor is not made up of a magical Antiantichrist gun and an M16. Instead it is Righteousness, Truth, Salvation, the peace of the Good News, etc Ephesians 6:10-18. Verse 18 echoes the "stay alert" idea. But note that it is God's provision of armor, salvation, and peace that protects us. Though we are in a fight, we can have faith that we are secure.A total preoccupation with spiritual warfare and a total ignorance (unwillful, or otherwise)of it are each very unhealthy.-Redeemed22

Miss Hepburn · Nov 13, 2009

[quote name='Redeemed22;74844]Well' date=' Satan is the Antichrist. Satan is the father of lies. Lies are all over the place. Thus the influence of the Antichrist is everywhere.We are to tear down any pretention that sets itself up against the truth of Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5The subtleties of Satan are everywhere. More graphic stuff, like the fictionized versions see in movies, are silly to look all around for. If you have Christ, you will know it when you see it. It is the subtleties that are more pernicious.Paul tells us to "be alert and self controled because your enemy, the devil, prowls like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." 1 Peter 5:8. So it is not an issue of calling Ghostbusters, but an issue of not drifting into apathy and distraction. The grounding of resisting Satan by the power of the blood of Jesus in day to day stuff is just what is needed in times of more evident and "scary" spiritual battle. Our armor is not made up of a magical Antiantichrist gun and an M16. Instead it is Righteousness, Truth, Salvation, the peace of the Good News, etc Ephesians 6:10-18. Verse 18 echoes the "stay alert" idea. But note that it is God's provision of armor, salvation, and peace that protects us. Though we are in a fight, we can have faith that we are secure.A total preoccupation with spiritual warfare and a total ignorance (unwillful, or otherwise)of it are each very unhealthy.-Redeemed22[/QUOTE']You got that right.

whirlwind · Nov 13, 2009

Miss Hepburn;74840][COLOR=purple][B]Thank you said:
[/COLOR] That's what I mean - who the heck is claiming to be Christ?I mean you have your nuts like Jeffers, Manson, the The Waco guy, Jim Jones, etc. They are loons. Mental cases. Miss Hepburn

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.They come in His name, Christ...claiming to be Christ-ian. And...they deceive many. For instance, take Joel Osteen. For a few weeks I watched him and thought he was wonderful but then I realized...I had not learned one thing. His congregation sits there (and I have no idea what denomination they are) believing they are worshipping the Lord but...they aren't. They feel good but it is just fluff. They are not prepared for the end of days.

Miss Hepburn · Nov 13, 2009

whirlwind;74848] [B]Matthew 24:5 For many shall come [U]in my name[/U] said:
They come in His name, Christ...claiming to be Christ-ian. And...they deceive many. For instance, take Joel Osteen. For a few weeks I watched him and thought he was wonderful but then I realized...I had not learned one thing. His congregation sits there (and I have no idea what denomination they are) believing they are worshipping the Lord but...they aren't. They feel good but it is just fluff. They are not prepared for the end of days.

Wait, wait, wait, if I read your post correctly this is what I "could" come up with ---tell me I'm reading it wrong, please.Because of the nature of the topic and everything...I understand that "in His Name" - can mean "Christ-ian" (Which I had not considered before this post.) --then your word is "deceive" in relation to Joel Osteen. Now, because you had not "learned one thing" and because you do not know what denomination they are in italics even and they believe they are worshipping the Lord, implying they are not...and you say they are "not prepared for the end times"...are you saying all that equates to Joel Osteen is thus either a false prophet or even worse?I want to get clear on what you are saying.

forgivenWretch · Nov 13, 2009

whirlwind;74848] [B]Matthew 24:5 For many shall come [U]in my name[/U] said:
They come in His name, Christ...claiming to be Christ-ian. And...they deceive many. For instance, take Joel Osteen. For a few weeks I watched him and thought he was wonderful but then I realized...I had not learned one thing. His congregation sits there (and I have no idea what denomination they are) believing they are worshipping the Lord but...they aren't. They feel good but it is just fluff. They are not prepared for the end of days.

whirlwind · Nov 14, 2009

Miss Hepburn;74852][COLOR=purple]Wait said:
A false prophet can be one that feeds us deception by twisting God's Word...an example would be saying we will be raptured before the tribulation. Another type of false prophet/teacher is one that doesn't teach God's Word. Instead of Scripture you will hear the words of the teacher. Their own words can be delivered by an attractive, personable, well dressed and likeable man or by some crazy acting, spinning around, laughing, slaying in the spirit person with a stack of pouffed up and well coifed hair. It doesn't matter for either way those in the audience are NOT HEARING THE WORDS OF THE LORD. They are not learning, they are not being prepared, they are being....entertained. Mark 13:5-6 And Jesus answering them began to say, "Take heed lest any man deceive you: For many shall come in My name, saying, 'I am Christ,' and shall deceive many. Jeremiah 23:28-29 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath My word, let him speak My word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. Is not My word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?Let the false prophets, the dreamers, the deceivers speak their words for they are the chaff that will be burned. We are to be those that speak and hear His Words faithfully. Then...we will not be deceived for His Word breaks the false rock, the false christ.

Miss Hepburn · Nov 14, 2009

Whirl,In your opinion, are you saying Joel Osteen deceives people? Are there any twisting of God's Word going on? Is it a sin to speak your own words? Is learning a prerequisite to something? (worship, church attendance) Did you learn 'something' when you listened to Joel for those times? (Would inspiration count? Inspiration related to being joyous, clarity about your relationship with your Father so you could not have low self esteem and face another day knowing He loved you, for example? Learning how to face your life fearlessly and with hope that God does things for the good that love Him?)Sorry so many questions I started this with one and they kept coming - LOL!I would then ask you how and where - like give an example (of word twisting and deception)---so we could skip a step! Ha!Thanks again, Miss Hepburn

whirlwind · Nov 14, 2009

Miss Hepburn;74875][B][COLOR=purple]Whirl said:
[/B] In your opinion, are you saying Joel Osteen deceives people? Are there any twisting of God's Word going on? Is it a sin to speak your own words? Is learning a prerequisite to something? (worship, church attendance)

He deceives by omission. For instance, if you asked your child to tell you what the teacher taught that day so you too could learn and he told you what the teacher said during lunch or recess...did you learn the important lesson? Your son didn't lie but he omitted the vital information. That is a form of deception. As far as him twisting words...I don't know as I only watched for two or three Sundays and didn't hear any of our Father's words for him to twist. But, no it isn't a sin to speak our own words. However, you must ask yourself...is it a sin for one to stand at a pulpit in the role of a teacher of God's Holy Word and....not use God's Holy Word. Learning is very important for it keeps us from being deceived.... Psalm 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Did you learn 'something' when you listened to Joel for those times?

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I learned that his wife Victoria got a traffic ticket that day.

(Would inspiration count? Inspiration related to being joyous, clarity about your relationship with your Father so you could not have low self esteem and face another day knowing He loved you, for example?

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Learning how to face your life fearlessly and with hope that God does things for the good that love Him?)Sorry so many questions I started this with one and they kept coming - LOL!

You will find peace in His Word...everlasting peace. He is the Comforter...not man.

I would then ask you how and where - like

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give an example (of word twisting and deception)---so we could skip a step! Ha! Thanks again, Miss Hepburn

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.From what I have seen of some teachers it is such a simplistic rendering of what God wants us to know that it doesn't qualify as milk...it is rather a watered-down, skim milk, no fat version of His truth so that one can't thrive...the nutrients aren't there. There isn't enough to sustain one to even reach the stage where meat can be digested.

Miss Hepburn · Nov 14, 2009

Thanks, Whirlwind. Miss Hepburn

Jimmy Engle · Nov 16, 2009

Last night I watched a video sermon by John Piper and he was discussing this very issue about false teachers or prophets. He mentioned how they will always be really nice and a kind person. He proved his point when he looked at proven heretics from a long time ago. People described them as being gentlemen and really kind and caring. This reminded me of Joel Osteen who preaches not the real gospel but a prosperity gospel on how to get your best life now. He thinks that accepted Jesus as some kind of accessory that you add on will make your life easier...so there out there and it's are job to avoid them.

Redeemed22 · Nov 18, 2009

Candy for Jimmy Engle:http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=faf0159744aecaf5c732

Miss Hepburn · Nov 18, 2009

Jimmy Engle;74944] This reminded me of Joel Osteen who preaches not the real gospel but a prosperity gospel on how to get your best life now. He thinks that accepted Jesus as some kind of accessory that you add on will make your life easier...so there out there and it said:
Well' date=' I may get flak for this but -I will [I']not[/I] be giving candy to Jimmy.1. What is the real gospel then? There are many ways to view the gospel - It is a Diamond - with many facets and no facet is inferior to another.Yes, there is a facet of doom and gloom - another facet on prophesies - another on end times, another on dietary topics, another on the ways of living here on earth ( love thy neighbor, do not worry about our tomorrow or our food and shelter, etc...). another on satan and putting on our armor,another on charity to widows and orphans, another on focusing on the the things above not on the earth...it seems almost endless, doesn't it?Many pastors are out there and they have there place each one of them ---the shouting pastor, the funny pastor, the scolding pastor, the scary pastor, the gentle pastor, the uplifting pastor, the healing pastor, the rich pastor and the meeker pastor. the overweight pastor and the trim pastor.Some tell stories, some pound the pulpit with scripture. Some leave you knowing alot of scripture and filling you with "don'ts and some fears". Others fill you and pump you up with "do's and hopes" --each pastor touches something different in people and draws them closer to the Lord in their particular way to minister to a person at their place on the Path to God.Joel or others like him - always speak 1-2 scripture verses to expound upon and always end their program with "If you haven't accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you can say this prayer right now where you are...", btw.2. When a sentence is started with, "He or she thinks" - I can not know how you know how another really "thinks". It is a presumption that can only be made when you know the person closely. I would ask you Jimmy, not to be confrontive, and you don't have to answer this ---have you actually even read "Your Best Life Now" - all of it? How much have you listened to Joel on Sundays, a couple all the way through? Enough to be able to really say "Joel thinks" ? I watch him occassionally and have read his book - I "may" be able to say "maybe, a little", I "kind of" know what he "may" think.Sometimes I don't even know what I think myself.3. Do you think Jesus went through what He did and taught and healed and fed people as long as He did ---without wanting us to have "our best life" ?What kind of life do you think He suffered and died for us "for" then? Was it only for us to go to Heaven after our death? Was it more than that?Was it for us to suffer also in His Footsteps - not living in abundance John 10:10? Was it only to set us free in the afterlife? Was His yoke not meant to be easy?4. I dare say - reading Joel - he would never agree that "accepring Jesus was an accessory" as you accuse him of -to make your life better or anything else. That's actually very rude to say such a thing about him or anyone, especially when it is not true.Bet you didn't think your one sentence above could make a person respond with such a lengthy post, huh? Take care, still your sis in Christ,Miss Hepburn

Jimmy Engle · Nov 18, 2009

I never read Joel's book. I have listened to some of his sermons and he is preaching a false gospel. The gospel of Jesus Christ is all about helping a Christian conform to the image of Christ. How does one do that? By avoiding worldly things and constantly looking to God. That's what Jesus meant when he said in Matt 5:3 - Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. We are supposed to rely on God for everything no matter how small the task. The problem I have with Joel Osteen is that he preaches and makes people want to accept Jesus so they can gain things like money, health, cars, healthy family and so on. Then he will ask people to pray and ask Jesus into their hearts. That isn't found anywhere in the bible. Jesus didn't say, "The time is fulfilled, the Kingdom of God is at hand. Now who wants to pray and ask me to come into their heart? NO! He commanded us to repent and believe and be baptized in his name. That is why their are so many people who go to church thinking that because they are doing that they will go to heaven compared to REAL Christians that got saved through the power of the holy spirit. Big difference. I know my answer is vague but I didn't feel like going in depth with supporting my statements but I will say this and you cannot deny it because it's just true. When a person sees their sin before God and it break them and causes them to come to Christ in repentance and they get saved...they become a new creature that has a passion for God. That is what being born again is all about. Not accepting Jesus so you can have a nice life with wealth and a home and good job and so on. Also when you compare a born again Christian to a person that prayed a prayer to receive Jesus one time in their life and their assurance of their salvation is based on the sincerity of that prayer their is a huge difference. The people that listen to Osteen want what he wants and it's not God. They are coming to Jesus not because they realize that he is our only hope and that he deserves all glory for the price that was paid for us even though we did nothing to deserve it but because they think that by accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior they will have a better life and their life is all worldly to start off with. One more thing, some might be saved by his preaching but I know for a fact that it is not because of him but in spite of him. There is only one gospel and if it's not all about Jesus Christ then it has no power! The Holy Spirit will not work through people unless their hearts are set on Jesus. But rather their hearts are set on getting what they want in life so it will be easier and better for them. Being a Christian isn't easy and it was never meant to be. If it is then I would be somewhat concerned lol. Christianity will never be a friend of this world. We are living in a fallen world where the evil one is spread abroad and there is nothing but darkness. As Christian we are supposed to separate ourselves from the things of the world. I haven't heard Olsteen preach important issues like these. If a preacher never preaches about sin then the Holy Spirit is a million miles from that person.

Miss Hepburn · Nov 18, 2009

Again, I must say - when anyone speaks for someone else -saying things like "people don't want God--- they are accepting Jesus so they can have something---people are coming to Jesus because----" as if he is the spokesman of their heart -I'm sorry I can't take them too seriously. It shouts of presumption. I don't "mean" to offend you - yet I probably am.I can tell you have a good heart, Jimmy and many things you say are true.Jimmy -could you make some indentations or spaces -the type all together and small like that is hard for my old eyes to read.ThanksTake care,Miss Hepburn

WhiteKnuckle · Nov 19, 2009

Allow me to introduce to you Vincent Xavier.... Some may remember his recent antics over washington DC being blown to bits by an underground nuclear weapon in October of this year. This dude moved his church and caused many of his followers to move from Cali all the way to Arkansas. Under the guise of being closer to ground zero and setting up a "help facility". It wasn't just that this guy made false prophecy, but it was the division and pain he caused throughout the Christian community. People were split and fought and argued over this. People were condemend for going against a prophet, and warned strictly of being in danger of despising the prophets and the prophecy. Not only that, but peoples faiths were shaken to the ground when the prophecy didn't come true. People put alot of faith in this guy and were let down, and are now confused and don't know what to follow or what to do. Vincent Xavier has never stepped down from his "office" of prophet. He just said, "I guess I was mistaken, I didn't hear from God" He still preaches, and still gives prophecy, and most of all still takes up money. Me along with a few others argued over this for over a month. We were condemned by the people who believed it. Our entire salvation was in question by the people who support this type of sensationalism. People were heavily divided,, and for what?????? All that time, and arguments and heartache and stress and worry placed on people, just because of this one evil man. Yeah, He's evil! You can listen to his sermons, and he sounds like his heart is good. One false prophecy after another, and he twists the meanings of his long drawn out visions to suit his needs and to keep his followers, and to keep people donating and giving money. He's not the only one, there's many more, but this is my most recent experience with a false prohphet. I've got a long list of experiences with false prophets and false teachers. Praise God though! It's through these experiences that I'm able to still be a "free thinker". Just like God said my favorite verse ever,,, "Come now let us reason TOGETHER"

Has anyone here ever exp'd a false prophet?

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