'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?

marks · Jul 10, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
ah well, you would see them rise up in clouds, or the clouds, right?
The kingdom does not come by observation

Are these the same thing? I don't think so myself. One being a description of an event, the other begin it's own kosmos.

bbyrd009 said:
but i wonder if it is not more about the saying that you know than the actual knowing; the premise being that one who "says he knows" wouldnt necessarily be saying "i know," but possibly rather speaking in facts or iow making a law, essentially, that cannot possibly cover every eventuality? Or as in your case, possibly ruled by desires maybe, leading to a false conclusion,
I will nullify the bargain you made with the grave

So then, is it really true, that in your view of yourself, that there is nothing that you can actually "know"?

Much love!

marks · Jul 10, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
ever seeking knowledge but never learning, etcetc
and he who says he know anything does not yet know as he ought so wadr the Bible is not your private whore-house, thankfully, for you to piss all over in your selfish ego-driven quest for immortality, and you have no business here wadr.

That or i dont. Which is it?

When I read a post like this . . . the question answers itself.

Why will you not at least be civil?

Earburner · Jul 10, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
and he who says he know anything does not yet know as he ought so wadr the Bible is not your private whore-house, thankfully, for you to piss all over in your selfish ego-driven quest for immortality, and you have no business here wadr.

1 Cor. 2[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

bbyrd009 · Jul 10, 2020

charity said:
Hello @bbyrd009,

This is totally out of order.
You do not speak to anyone like that,
let alone a fellow member of the forum.

You should apologise.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

yes ty professor, heil charity

charity said:
I have no idea what you mean I'm afraid.

well its Scripture, so wadr im not too surprised. In all your cherry-picking where to respond, how bout you maybe pick the ones you are currently ignoring for a change? Or bam keep professing as if you know, idc. Have a nice day

bbyrd009 · Jul 10, 2020

marks said:
When I read a post like this . . . the question answers itself.

Why will you not at least be civil?

will you not at least address the last correspondence to you, regardless of how painful it might be? Or will you stay in denial among the religious hypocrites here forever? Bc i dont really care too much tbh ok, you can believe whatever you like as far as i am concerned, even your Absolute Truths that cannot be abrogated any kind of way.

If you ignore the post it just never existed, huh
makes it all better right
so look, go with that, and just click on my avatar and hit "ignore" then, would prolly be best

bbyrd009 · Jul 10, 2020

charity said:
Hello @bbyrd009,

I have no idea what you mean I'm afraid. I can't follow what you are saying.
* You say you do not mean to offend, but if that is so why are you being offensive?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

well, why are you being a witch, divining the future for others when you obv do not know?

bbyrd009 · Jul 10, 2020

Earburner said:
If you would stay with the OP core question of this thread, you also could contribute, and understand the truth/facts of Creation, better than you do.

yes ty professor, guess im just not worthy to sit at your feet bro sorry

bbyrd009 · Jul 10, 2020

marks said:
Are these the same thing? I don't think so myself. One being a description of an event, the other begin it's own kosmos.

ok well you lost me at "begin its own kosmos," and i dont know but i suspect you will want to edit that, and this is to me a sign, when posts get unintelligible, in an important reply? Not that i have any lessons to teach in intelligibility lol

marks said:
So then, is it really true, that in your view of yourself, that there is nothing that you can actually "know"?

no, as i said, it is possibly more about the mindset of one who says that they know, but im thinking you should maybe ask one of the professors in here if you need an Absolute Answer to that, or else you could maybe state something that you actually know and we could see, but then when a point is made you wont be around any longer anyway right? Does that mean that you dont even see them, i guess?

Knowledge brings sorrow why do you think--or i mean "know" i guess, sorry--that knowledge brings sorrow, contrary to your current model?

bbyrd009 · Jul 10, 2020

Earburner said:
1 Cor. 2[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

so then puff yourself up a little more, ok with me; congratulations, you are now Superman

ever consider applying all the uncomfortable passages to yourself, and the ones that make you feel so good about yourself to everyone else?

And i wont even bother asking how you imagine that to be some kind of response to "no, you cannot just make beliefs up like 'i have a soul, forever' in direct negation of Scripture," at least not on a forum, without expecting some kind of backlash?

bbyrd009 · Jul 10, 2020

Earburner said:
that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Strong's Greek: 3609a. oida -- to have seen or perceived, hence to know

so no offense but there is an assumption built in to that, as the link outlines, heck even the v outlines, that you might know, right

so why then does knowledge bring sorrow?

bbyrd009 · Jul 10, 2020

so ima leave yall professors to it ok, keep looking up!
and best of luck to all of you, seriously, in your satanic quest for immortality in heaven after you have died. Believe it as hard as you can, and call it faith, ok with me

bbyrd009 · Jul 10, 2020

'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?

when you change your mind and stop talking like a professor, thats when

Earburner · Jul 10, 2020

charity said:
'For then must He often have suffered
since the foundation of the world:
but now once in the end of the world hath He appeared
to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.'
(Hebrews 9:26)

Hello @Earburner,

Thank you for your response.

1. * Please bear with me while I look at the words themselves for a moment. The margin of my Bible informs me that the word, 'END' is a translation of the Greek, 'sunteleia', (and not 'telos'):- which means 'closing time', denoting the joining of two age-times: i.e., the closing of one, leading on to the other. The 'suntelea' marking the closing period, and telos marks the actual and final end.

The words, 'the end of the world' (aion = age): or 'the end of the age', (age-time or dispensation). The expression occurs 6 times, in Matthew 13:39, 40 & 49; Matthew 24:3; 28:20; Hebrews 9:26.

* This indicates to me, that the Lord came at the end of that age: the age then present; which was coming to a close.

2. * Had Israel repented during the approx. 40 year period covered by the book of Acts, then Christ would have returned then (see Acts 3:19-21), and the events prophesied concerning that event would have been set in motion.

3. However Israel did not repent and this now awaits a future day for it's fulfilment. God in His foreknowledge obviously knew that this would occur, and had provisioned for it in His revelation to the Apostle Paul concerning the mystery: in which Christ would be 'in' (or 'among') the Gentiles; for salvation had been sent to the Gentiles (Acts 28:28), making them independent of the nation of Israel for salvation, which had formerly been 'of the Jews' (John 4:22). This marked (I believe) the beginning of a new age, in which Jew and Gentile believers were equal and united in a joint body, formerly not known, this knowledge having been hid in God since the world began (Ephesians 3:9 & Colossians 1:26).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Prison epistles: Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon. - revealing the mystery.

Thanks for your insightful reply!
1. I agree- 70 weeks (of years) in Daniel 9:24, of time determined upon "thy people", in which the Lord would accomplish His work.
2. I agree- the Lord "confirming His covenenant" with the disciples. Daniel 9:27
3. My decision pending.

Earburner · Jul 10, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
yes ty professor, guess im just not worthy to sit at your feet bro sorry

I believe that most here are not out to offend anyone, but rather are serious in learning, and therefore are not wasting their time over alot of emotional nuances.

No one here is attacking you, but rather enjoining you, but along the lines of the OP:
"Death is swallowed up in victory! When?"

If you do know "when" there shall be total victory over death, then say so, staying on topic. And please stop begging for apologies all the time. Be concise and to the point.
We all don't have alot of time to spare, dodging and weaving around home made acronyms, that we have to interpret.

Earburner · Jul 10, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
Strong's Greek: 3609a. oida -- to have seen or perceived, hence to know

so no offense but there is an assumption built in to that, as the link outlines, heck even the v outlines, that you might know, right

so why then does knowledge bring sorrow?

That one "might know" requires that one humble themselves in the Lord, by saying:
"I don't know, please "guide" me by YOUR understanding, and not MY OWN."
John 16:13. His knowledge brings JOY, not sorrow!
"Knowing the facts/truth about Creation , will deliver one to a correct understanding of "death" in the NT scriptures, especially in the book of Revelation.

charity · Jul 10, 2020

[QUOTE="Earburner, post: 785855, member: 8090"
]1. Not really. Aren't we following the thoughts of OP about the title of this thread?
2. Everyone's doctrinal stand, from the beginning of understanding Creation, whether right, wrong or indifferent, taints every other topical doctrine down line, right into the book of Revelation.
[/QUOTE]
I guess so, Earburner.

VictoryinJesus · Jul 10, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
so why then does knowledge bring sorrow?

1 Corinthians 8:1-2 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. [2] And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

2 Corinthians 11:14-19 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. [16] I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little. [17] That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, (Philippians 2:21)but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. [18] Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also. [19] For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.

Maybe knowledge puffs up, brings much sorrow. While Charity edifies, brings joy.

marks · Jul 10, 2020

Earburner said:
That one "might know" requires that one humble themselves in the Lord, by saying:
"I don't know, please "guide" me by YOUR understanding, and not MY OWN."
John 16:13. His knowledge brings JOY, not sorrow!
"Knowing the facts/truth about Creation , will deliver one to a correct understanding of "death" in the NT scriptures, especially in the book of Revelation.

Hi Earburner,

That's just it.

Ecclesiasted 1
17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

If we take this from it's context, someone can make it seem like all knowledge is to be avoided, and all wisdom, but is that really what God means?

If we receive this passage within it's context . . .

13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.
14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
15 That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.
16 I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

God tells us to get wisdom, and to get understanding, not repudiate them. Over and over, "I don't want you to be ignorant of this . . ."

Much love!

farouk · Jul 10, 2020

VictoryinJesus said:
1 Corinthians 8:1-2 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. [2] And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

2 Corinthians 11:14-19 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. [16] I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little. [17] That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, (Philippians 2:21)but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. [18] Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also. [19] For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.

Maybe knowledge puffs up, brings much sorrow. While Charity edifies, brings joy.

@VictoryinJesus It's good also when Scripture knowledge is received with humility.

Taken · Jul 10, 2020

Earburner said:
1. For those who believe that God gave man an eternal soul, do you also believe that upon the return of Christ, the unsaved, both dead and alive, shall be cast into hell, being punished upon Christ's return, by His Eternal flaming fire, to forever suffer the punishing of eternal torment, IN DEATH?

God DID NOT Give mankind:
A Forever (Blood) Life Living Body.
(The Body IS Mortal. it Shall Die)

God DID NOT Give mankind:
A Forever (Living Soul).
God Gave mankind "A Soul" and IN Every Soul IS Life...provided BY Gods Breath.
God OFFERED, A WAY, for mankind TO Keep "Forever" Gods Breath Life, in the soul, imparted into a man.
Once a man Accepts Gods Offer- the man's Body "Shall have" an Eternal Living (with Gods Breath, that Is Life) soul.

Q. If a forever burning Hell is a place of eternal burning of eternal souls, where is death for them? Shall we say that God did not eliminate death for them also?
If so, then in scenario #1, death still exists.

Death of the Body...is No Blood in the Body.
Death of the Soul...is No Gods Breath in the Soul.
The Body & Soul Void of Life, is then Destroyed, burned to ash, forever Separated From God, and forgotten.

Q. If we who are saved, are living forever in the New heavens/earth, with His new life, and death was eliminated for us, does death still exist for the eternal unsaved souls in some place else, called hell?

The unSaved Body & Soul exist as Ash IN the Earth Void of Life, Forever.

Q. If the unsaved, eternal souls were never given the Gift Eternal Life, is the Spirit of God in hell also, keeping them alive?

No.
The Body raised for Damnation is burned to Ash.
Life departs the Unsaved soul (returns to God), the soul is burned.
The Natural Spirit of the Unsaved (is never Born Again) and is burned to ash with the Body.

Q. In which scenario of 1&2 is
1 Corinthians 15:26 fulfilled, whereby death is totally eradicated and eliminated/destroyed?

OT faithful men, Have OVERCOME Death-
Their Faith Saved Their soul.
Their dead body shall be raised in Glory.

Men IN Christ have OVERCOME Death-
Their Faith have saved their soul.
Gods imparted SEED has Born Again their spirit.

Men who continue to obey OT/Mosaic/Jewish Law Will be at their physical death have OVERCOME Death.
They Shall be raised in a Glorious Body.

During the Tribulation: Men who continue Under OT Law, will be SENT "Servants of God" to Preach Christ Jesus, and those who Believe will be Killed Bodily for their Faith, and their soul Saved and raised in a glorious body.

Death will End; After the Tribulation, After the 1,000 yr Reign, After All Who have Rejected God are Dead,
and the Devil and other Fallen Angel's are forever burning in hell in a Fire pit, and the smoke shall continuously rise up and seen on Earth.

Glory to God,
Taken

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