'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?

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Hi Earburner,

That's just it.

Ecclesiasted 1
17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

If we take this from it's context, someone can make it seem like all knowledge is to be avoided, and all wisdom, but is that really what God means?

If we receive this passage within it's context . . .

13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.
14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
15 That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.
16 I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

God tells us to get wisdom, and to get understanding, not repudiate them. Over and over, "I don't want you to be ignorant of this . . ."

Much love!
Yes, you pegged it correct!! And if truly understand what John 5:39 means, we shall understand that the wisdom that you posted for description, is Jesus Himself, Pre-incarnate!:)
 
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Yes, you pegged it correct!! And if truly understand what John 5:39 means, we shall understand that the wisdom that you posted for description, is Jesus Himself, Pre-incarnate!:)

1 Corinthians 1
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Amen!!
 
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God DID NOT Give mankind:
A Forever (Blood) Life Living Body.
(The Body IS Mortal. it Shall Die)

God DID NOT Give mankind:
A Forever (Living Soul).
God Gave mankind "A Soul" and IN Every Soul IS Life...provided BY Gods Breath.
God OFFERED, A WAY, for mankind TO Keep "Forever" Gods Breath Life, in the soul, imparted into a man.
Once a man Accepts Gods Offer- the man's Body "Shall have" an Eternal Living (with Gods Breath, that Is Life) soul.
Okay, but can you say the same about all animals that also have "the breath of life"?
KJV- Genesis 6:17 Genesis 7:15, 22
 

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[QUOTE="Earburner, post: 785855, member: 8090"
]1. Not really. Aren't we following the thoughts of OP about the title of this thread?
2. Everyone's doctrinal stand, from the beginning of understanding Creation, whether right, wrong or indifferent, taints every other topical doctrine down line, right into the book of Revelation.
I guess so, Earburner.

:)[/QUOTE]
Actually, there is no guessing about it.
We all stand in only one of two camps of understanding, about what a "soul" is.

We all understand it from the perspective of "God breathed", and from there, only one question can be asked: WHAT constitutes the "breath of Life", that God breathed into the nostrils of Adam?

In all reality, there are only two logical answers:
1. The Spirit of God Himself
2. The Air of the earth's atmosphere.
 

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In all reality, there are only two logical answers:
1. The Spirit of God Himself
2. The Air of the earth's atmosphere.
3. The quality of being alive, breathed into an inanimate object.

Did you notice, the other living creatures were seemingly created alive?

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

But with man it was different. The animals were "brought forth" from the earth. The animal apparently came up from out of the ground, alive. But with man, God formed man from the dirt, but man was not alive, until God breathed into his nostrils 'the breath of life'.

The first inhalation of the newly created man, but embued with the quality of "being alive".

There is no need to think that this was the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Or is there?

Much love!
 

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So now my question :
In the time frame of Moses, the author of Genesis, what would he know in his day of what exactly the "breath of life" was?

While thinking on that, do try to take the "religiosity" of all "religious thinking", by people in the day of Jesus, the "early church fathers", as well as the days upto The Reformation period, until 1772, out of the equation.

So, what was so important in 1772?
Joseph Priestley - Wikipedia
 

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3. The quality of being alive, breathed into an inanimate object.

Did you notice, the other living creatures were seemingly created alive?

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

But with man it was different. The animals were "brought forth" from the earth. The animal apparently came up from out of the ground, alive. But with man, God formed man from the dirt, but man was not alive, until God breathed into his nostrils 'the breath of life'.

The first inhalation of the newly created man, but embued with the quality of "being alive".

There is no need to think that this was the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Or is there?

Much love!
Hi @marks,

Regarding the other creatures created we are not given further details as we are with the creation of man in Genesis 2. We cannot assume anything regarding their creation if we are not told. They are spoken of as having the breath of life too (Genesis 6:17).

No it is not the Holy Spirit but simply the breath of life.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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3. The quality of being alive, breathed into an inanimate object.

Did you notice, the other living creatures were seemingly created alive?

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

But with man it was different. The animals were "brought forth" from the earth. The animal apparently came up from out of the ground, alive. But with man, God formed man from the dirt, but man was not alive, until God breathed into his nostrils 'the breath of life'.

The first inhalation of the newly created man, but embued with the quality of "being alive".

There is no need to think that this was the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Or is there?

Much love!
Hi Marks, yes, I have studied the issue of what "the breath of life" is in both man and animals. My conclusion is scriptural, and the answer I provide, does not make the "religious thinker" happy at all.

From the stand point of the Medical Field, of which virtually all of us are in some degree dependant upon, we should at last realize the truth of our being, once and for all.
Leviticus 17[11] For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

So then, what is the main function of blood, in what carries to the flesh?
It carries Oxygen to feed the flesh.
Therefore, Oxygen is- "the breath of life".


When one researches the word "soul" in Genesis 2:7, the Hebrew word used there in the KJV, is "nephesh"- meaning "animal soul".
In Gen. "nephesh" is used 22 times; in Exo. 6 times; in Lev. 35 times. Its also in Numbers, Deut., Josh., Judges, 1&2 Samuel, etc., in all of the OT scriptures.
 
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Hi @marks,

Regarding the other creatures created we are not given further details as we are with the creation of man in Genesis 2. We cannot assume anything regarding their creation if we are not told. They are spoken of as having the breath of life too (Genesis 6:17).

No it is not the Holy Spirit but simply the breath of life.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
I think the details are there, and simple, myself.

Much love!
 
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So then, what is the main function of blood, in what carries to the flesh?
Doesn't this ask a question that we have to answer outside of Scripture? It seems a reasonable conclusion, breath, blood, oxygen, OK, just the same, in saying, the life is in the blood, there's no specific that says it's talking about oxygen. Though I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Well, actually, there does seem to be me be something. All the animals have 'the breath of life', but only man was said to be 'breathed into', and only man is said to be created in the image of God.

Much love!
 

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Doesn't this ask a question that we have to answer outside of Scripture? It seems a reasonable conclusion, breath, blood, oxygen, OK, just the same, in saying, the life is in the blood, there's no specific that says it's talking about oxygen. Though I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Well, actually, there does seem to be me be something. All the animals have 'the breath of life', but only man was said to be 'breathed into', and only man is said to be created in the image of God.

Much love!
Why must we "religiously think" EVERYTHING?
Who told you to do that?
Did Moses know what Oxygen ?
NO!!
So, if a doctor says that you need Oxygen, and you say "No, I have "the breath of life" , he is going to tell you that you don't have enough!! Will you receive it, or lay there and die while arguing with him?
 

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Marks wrote:
"Doesn't this ask a question that we have to answer outside of Scripture? It seems a reasonable conclusion, breath, blood, oxygen, OK, just the same, in saying, the life is in the blood, there's no specific that says it's talking about oxygen. Though I wouldn't have a problem with that."

EB's reply:
What you wrote, is typically the thinking of most denominations, as they try to divorce themselves from the years and years of tradition, pounded into them hundreds of times.

Not until 1772 did anyone ever understand WHAT "the breath of life" was, so believe it or not, thousands of years ago, out of ignorance, they came up with a theory and put a "religious spin" on it.
Since way back then, it has become the mantra for most all of the churches all this time, and has become the pivot and the divide of every topic in the Bible, confusing the issues of death, resurrection, heaven, hell, the saved and the unsaved, the1000 years, the New heavens/earth, Jerusalem, of great tribulation, that spirit of antichrist, the MoB,
....and even the parables of Jesus.
WHY?
Ans. All because they refuse to accept WHAT the breath of life really is!!
Oxygenated Air, that we and all the "air breathing" animals breathe.
 

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That would be silly!

o_O
Well of course it would be silly!
We ALL KNOW that we need Oxygenated air to breathe in order TO LIVE. It IS "the breath of life", for us all!
Yes! Its that simple!!
No "religious spin" whatsoever!
 

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I repeat:
The word "soul", in the Hebrew is
"nephesh", which means "animal soul".

So here it is, in everyone's face:
KJV- Gen. 2[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul [nephesh]-
animal soul.
 
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same root as "life" right, not ezackly a puzzle
I have no idea what you mean I'm afraid. I can't follow what you are saying.
whats not to understand there, charity? You are telling people that Yah will honor their bargain with death essentially, right? Assuring believers that Death More Abundantly is what Christianity is all about? I can quote you if you like?
 

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I believe that most here are not out to offend anyone, but rather are serious in learning, and therefore are not wasting their time over alot of emotional nuances.
ok well i believe that Eve is firmly in control with just about all of us, and frankly i weary of posting the Scriptures that countermand your beliefs to no response
No one here is attacking you, but rather enjoining you, but along the lines of the OP:
"Death is swallowed up in victory! When?"
you will not run out of towns before I come
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If you do know "when" there shall be total victory over death, then say so
ah, so now it's "total" is it? i think if you went and asked a three year old about "total victory over death" you would get possibly the most viable answer, weird as that prolly sounds.

Are humans the only creatures who learn to fear eventual death?
We all don't have alot of time to spare, dodging and weaving around home made acronyms, that we have to interpret.
lol pls, they are functionally irrelevant anyway, and the briefest search would inform you of any that you are ignorant of ok
they function awesomely to catch ppl who feel the need to pointlessly lecture, see
That one "might know" requires that one humble themselves in the Lord, by saying:
"I don't know, please "guide" me by YOUR understanding, and not MY OWN."
John 16:13. His knowledge brings JOY, not sorrow!
"Knowing the facts/truth about Creation , will deliver one to a correct understanding of "death" in the NT scriptures, especially in the book of Revelation.
Ecclesiastes 1:18 Lexicon: Because in much wisdom there is much grief, and increasing knowledge results in increasing pain.
so youre almost half right i guess
 
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1 Corinthians 8:1-2 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. [2] And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

2 Corinthians 11:14-19 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. [16] I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little. [17] That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, (Philippians 2:21)but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. [18] Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also. [19] For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.

Maybe knowledge puffs up, brings much sorrow. While Charity edifies, brings joy.
maybe, yeh. "Charity" is maybe not the best xlation there, i think we have a diff concept for "charity" now?
 

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maybe, yeh. "Charity" is maybe not the best xlation there, i think we have a diff concept for "charity" now?

Think so too. Was thinking what charity looks to me and I have no answer. Looks like that would be easy. I’ve see it in God. But not in me. I guess that is why Philippians 2:21 stands out so much. Can relate to seeking after my own.
 
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