Shroud of Turin: Absolute proof the man seen in it is Jesus Christ

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Cristo Rei

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IT seems to me that for you, it remains a mystery since it has not yet been demonstrated how it was created, then we should not even be discussing it, right? For in that case, you neither believe it to be true nor false. In other words, it really matters not.

That's basically what i've said all along. I think i said it interested me but was ultimately irrelevant.

The difference is that we're using different standards of evidence. Your using the balance of probability which is used in civil cases and im using beyond reasonable doubt which is used in criminal cases. Thats all it is. The shroud would never get ruled out in a criminal court but would maybe loose in a civil court
 
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You can get these all over the place (this is positive) it reverses from the original.

You can see everything I saw.. but the negative is way better. The candles give off light. You need the negative to see the water stains. They are the candles that cover his arms. Some kind of miracle got on the Shroud after the fire in 1500.

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Just got my 3d glasses in the mail from E-bay. The entire Universe is behind Jesus.

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That's basically what i've said all along. I think i said it interested me but was ultimately irrelevant.

If that's the way you want to believe it go ahead. You can say I'll wait until I'm dead to believe this, but there is actually info on this that proves its a Mary and Jesus Church.. the Old CC.

#1 I proved its Jesus Christ with his Sacred Heart
#2 I proved Mary is the other lamp with her and the Immaculate heart behind her image.

This one picture of the Shroud will revive the Old religion, and that's why Luke came to visit me in 2003. I first saw the Shroud decode images 12/2018. 2 more years to see Mary's Immaculate heart there, too.

I wouldn't see this up close until July11, 2020. Seeing this is marvelous! Nobody will want to stay in the wrong religion anymore.


I love my religion!

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God had the power to put all this on the Shroud in 1500's, and I've seen his Kingdom here on Earth.. its a duel dimension here. God have the power to change entire events.. say you got killed. It would never happen! God saved me from Zane Floyd in 1998. A witness saw him shoot me in the back... and I died.

She freaked out I appeared unharmed later. :) I would never see myself die.

I simply remembered her story for later examinations.

You can google the story.. its the city I live in.. LV, and it happened right after my wife left me, and during that time I didn't care if I died. But God did!

Somehow the devil knew I was destined to do this thing on the Shroud. He was knowing since I was 3.

I'm wreck the devil now with this image. His mission is to stop people from finding the True Church of Christ.

Praying to Mary (Catholic stuff)
 
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Who told you .. that lie? No way you come to know it on your own. And if shes dead why do you believe in Jesus. (your in checkmate)

Its my job to know more than you.

You preach she needed to be saved, then says she as dead as everyone. No way you believe in Jesus. Atheist all believe we're all dead one day.

I think you are coming here to laugh.. and say fooled you I didn't really believe Jesus could save anyone.

The Shroud shows hes God... and it was important to him to put Mary in one of his lights.
Mary herself recognized that she was a sinner in need of saving and of a Savior.

Luke 1:46 And Mary said:

“My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.


48 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.

The fact that she needs saving, like all sinners, death reigned over her as well. And that too proves that she is no deity but is human. And being human and not deity, she is not to be worshipped and prayed to. She may well be most favored, honored, and blessed among women by God, but we must not look upon her more than what God had revealed of her in scriptures, nor of what can be known of her historical existential experience.

Mary was not preached in any way shape or form by any of the chosen apostles, including Jesus Himself, to be a Savior nor a "Coredemptrix". Unlike Jesus Christ, Mary is not God. Even granting for the sake of argument that she is now alive, she is not capable of being what many make of her to be, as if she were one who is omnipresent nor omniscient nor omnipotent. No sir. The most blessed Mary is no God and no angel. She is human.

While Mary was chosen by God, it was Jesus whom God sent to world to be the Savior, not her. Making Mary what she is not is an injustice and dishonor to her.


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Do you believe that Satan and demons have powers and can do deceiving wonders? ...

So now, any "evidence", whether HISTORICAL, GEOGRAPHIC, ARTIFACTS, -- EVERYTHING is satanically altered? -- Really?

Then if this is LITERALLY TRUE, then burn your Bible because satan is deceiving you in those words.
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Anyone who have an erroneous belief about the gospel must repent, be it because of the shroud or something else.

I believe in the truth revealed in scriptures, and in the creation.

Regarding the shroud, it's not really about what science can prove or not prove, but what one makes out of the shroud to be and what doctrines one makes out and believes because of it.

As for me, I always go first to scriptures in the examination of the truthfulness of such things.

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This is soooo interesting.
You believe that anyone that has an erroneous belief about the gospel he must repent.

First, if a person is reading the gospels,. he has ALREADY repented.
This is why he's reading the gospel.
It's also possible that an unsaved person is reading the bible to find out about God,,,but it's usually the other way around.

AND....if I have a doctrine wrong, I'm lost?

That, my friend, would mean that we are all lost since no one believes 100% what any other person believes.

Must we be baptized to be saved?
Is OSAS correct?

Do we all agree on the above?
So, according to you, many born again believers are going to hell because they got a teaching wrong?

This is WORSE than the CC.
Did God go on vacation and put YOU in charge?

Please rethink your position or Jesus' death was totally uneffectual.
 
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What about Mary's Immaculate heart being on the Shroud? Immaculate means clean and pure free of Sin. And the Protestant stick a sword in it every day.

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@GodsGrace, I asked these questions to brian100. May I know your answers? Besides, the video does not have the answers to these.

3. What happened to about the hundred pounds mixture of myrrh and aloes on the burial cloths used to wrap the dead body of Jesus?

4. Scriptures speaks of "cloths", plural, meaning more than one piece. Evidently, one would be that was used to wrap around Jesus' head and the other (may be more than 1) would be that used to wrap around His body. So, how do you explain that there is only a single cloth (shroud of Turin) that supposedly wrapped around the entire body of Jesus including the head part?


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Tong,,,sorry for delay.

Must the video answer ALL questions in order for it to be real?
Do we know EVERYTHING about Mars?
Does this mean it's not real?

Anyway, yes, I'll be happy to answer your questions.

3. What happened to the Myrrh. Do we know it was hundreds of pounds?
Where is this stated? The woman who took care of Jesus' body were able to carry such a
weight?

God created the universe. He could certainly remove myrrh from the top of His body when He resurrected. I should think that the resurrection would cause one not to worry too much about what happened to the myrrh!

4. The video touched on this and, frankly, I don't remember what the speaker stated.
I believe that the face cloth was found neatly folded near Jesus' position on the stone slab.
Here is how John recounts the finding of the cloths:

John 20:1-7
1Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
2So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.”
3So Peter and the other disciple went forth, and they were going to the tomb.
4The two were running together; and the other disciple ran ahead faster than Peter and came to the tomb first;
5and stooping and looking in, he saw the linen wrappings lying there; but he did not go in.
6And so Simon Peter also came, following him, and entered the tomb; and he saw the linen wrappings lying there,
7and the face-cloth which had been on His head, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself.


As you can see from John's account, he got to the tomb first (it is believed that Peter and John went to the tomb and John got there first because he was younger and ran quicker).

Then came Peter and entered the tomb.

And he saw the linen wrappings lying there.

And the FACE CLOTH which HAD BEEN on Jesus' head, NOT LYING WITH THE WRAPPINGS, but rolled up IN A PLACE BY ITSELF.

That would be the explanation. Told by John who was a witness.
 

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If Tong won't believe then God will do something to him to make him believe. I believe so much that i know God can intercede into his life.. but he may not like God's answer for him. We can only pray he will come around to see the pictures as truth.

In real life I have seen too many times what God does to people who don't believe in Mary.
 
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The opinions of men do not last long.

God's Word is forever, and is what is important.

Charles Chiniquoy used to be deceived by the same authority deceiving 2 billion souls and more today, deceiving as they have done since the early centuries.

Jesus set Charles CHiniquoy free with the truth which Charles willingly embraced and he repented of horrendous sins from his past as a priest in the false gospel, counterfeit church. He is still speaking from the grave with his testimony/ available last I checked,
for those who seek the truth - it is truly amazing the depths of deprivation and deception the preisthood is totally swallowed up in.
The priesthood is not swallowed up in deception.
What do YOU know about the priesthood but what you read in biased writings.
You should thank God the crusades took place,,,
I hope you know the Muslims conquered Jerusalem and most of Europe and THAT is the reason the crusades place...to REMOVE the Muslims from Europe and Israel and that whole region.

Don't hate the CC so much....and learn history instead.
 

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Proetestant will let Muslims take over everything until they are all converts to Islam. If I had to lead God's army alone against Islam then so be it!
 

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The false teachings , we are all in Christ Jesus commanded to have nothing to do with.
 

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hint: true history is difficult to find - the historical accounts are and have been re-written so often, by the so-called 'victor'....

But God Promises whoever seeks the truth will find it, if they keep seeking from Him, the truth, and give up what is false.
 

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The false teachings , we are all in Christ Jesus commanded to have nothing to do with.


I saw Protestant who said they believed in Jesus but not in Mary lose their whole family to tragic accidents.
 

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Basing faith on it is one thing but some of the comments really make me shake my head.
Until someone can replicate such an image then it remains a mystery and a possibility in my book.
There's a joker on youtube that uses paint and a written explanation of how this pinhole camera could do it.
That's all i could find

Also, Fran, the gentleman that opened this thread is taking the claim to another level. He has different ideas and frustrates people but i don't mind him
Look above at post #522 and give me your thoughts please... The voice of reason
Just from looking at the shroud from the distance at which one is kept...the Mary image and heart cannot be noticed.

As I see close ups of the shroud (not the ones posted by the O.P.,,but my own)
it DOES kind of look like an image of Mary and the other side of the burned area does kind of look like the Immaculate Heart of Jesus. I do not notice the sword myself, but that doesn't mean it's not noticeable from up close.

Sometimes we see images in clouds. I think we could get a little carried away by all this.
God does not need the Shroud to convince persons. Miracles do not convince people. (in some instances they do).

If @Brian wants to believe that the Shroud is God speaking to him,,,then he's right in sharing what he believes God has told him to do. Of course, we don't know if this is true or not, which is why we should stick to scripture. Also, this is a very bad way to witness, as I've stated before.

I also don't understand why some are so OPPOSED to the O.P.
Is it because they believe the Shroud is "catholic" and they so dislike the CC?
This is unfortunate because it then clouds everything they come into contact with that is Catholic.

Perhaps if they saw the prison that Paul was kept in and maintained by the CC in Rome in the Roman Forum, they'd be thankful that some church -- no matter which one --- was faithful in saving what could be saved of our faith.
 
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The sword is that little handle I marked. It proves its Mary's heart and no other. Then look at the ribbon of roses.

Absolute proof!

That's the Immaculate Heart of Mary! Catholics had taught she was Immaculate for centuries!
 

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Tong there is a burial cloth resembling exactly like Jesus to look at. Wake up dude. If you are going to summary dismiss as a fake just leave and wait for God to show you the truth.

I know enemies of Mary are his enemies too.

He see's anti Mary people as thy seeds. . (trying to replant these lies about her.)

Just wait around for some time and see God's answer to you.

When will I find someone to say wow that's really on the Shroud?

You can see crown of thorns around Jesus Sacred Heart , too. You can see the pointed thorns!

This is the Scientific Catholic Jesus and Mary!!
WOW!
THAT'S REALLY ON THE SHROUD!