The Twins

Behold · Jul 12, 2020

2 Nuns.. Identical Twins.

Sarah and Mary

They were beautiful girls, brown hair, golden smiles, twin happy hearts.

They had only been 13 when they went on a mission trip to India that changed both their lives forever.
They had spent 10 days working with the poor, sad, miserable street orphans, who were just barely able to survive in the Dharavi Slum in Mumbai.
Mary was especially touched by the pain she felt the children all shared as their desperate lives.

By the time both Twins were 15 yrs old, they had decided to give their lives in service to God for the sake of the poorest children in India, the starving street Orphans .

For the next 50 yrs, both sisters worked endlessly to give hope and love to these hardest hit by the unfairness of Life, ..... this cruel world.
They loved their work, they gave all their love to the orphans, and for 50 yrs this much needed Godly work continued.
These Twins truly defined the phrase .."Angels of Mercy".

2 days after the Twins 65th birthday they both died in a tragic accident.
They suddenly became trapped by a huge falling roof inside an old abandoned building they had been trying for 12 yrs to slowly renovate into a free health care clinic for their orphans.
Both Twins bodies were eventually found and pulled from the old building, but it had been too late to save their precious lives.

Sister Sarah, went to Heaven.
Sister Mary, went to Hell.

The question now that i have for you.. Reader.. is..

Why did the one sister, Mary, go to Hell? ??
Didn't she give her LIFE to the poor?
Didn't she love the Orphans?
Didn't Mary offer herself sacrificially for her street children..... exactly as her sister Sarah had done also?

So why didn't Mary also go to Heaven with her sister???

A.) "Jesus said : "You must be Born Again".
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justbyfaith · Jul 12, 2020

The answer is found in Matthew 7:23 and Matthew 13:41-42.

I think that one of them trusted in Jesus and His shed blood and the other didn't.

So, the iniquities of the latter were evident on her day of judgment; while the iniquities of the former were covered by the blood.

Behold · Jul 12, 2020

Episkopos · Jul 12, 2020

Behold said:
Sister Sarah, went to Heaven.
Sister Mary, went to Hell.

More fictional beliefs. I hope no one buys into your fictional theoretical rhetoric.

Behold · Jul 12, 2020

Episkopos said:
More fictional beliefs. I hope no one buys into your fictional theoretical rhetoric.

Living to sow discord and strife on a Christian fourm, is not making you a better person.
When do you think you will be able to realize this about yourself?

Episkopos · Jul 12, 2020

Behold said:
Living to sow discord and strife on a Christian fourm, is not making you a better person.
When do you think you will be able to realize this about yourself?

Posting propaganda and tall tales does not constitute content for a Christian forum.

2 Chr. 34:19 · Jul 13, 2020

Episkopos said:
More fictional beliefs. I hope no one buys into your fictional theoretical rhetoric.

Couldnt it be a parable?

Episkopos · Jul 13, 2020

2 Chr. 34:19 said:
Couldnt it be a parable?

A parable based on a lie? A new religion perhaps? One would have to understand God's ways to make a parable that was NOT a lie.

justbyfaith · Jul 13, 2020

Episkopos said:
A parable based on a lie? A new religion perhaps? One would have to understand God's ways to make a parable that was NOT a lie.

It is biblically viable this story about two different people who went, one to heaven, and the other to hell. It is even a picture of what the Bible teaches about heaven and hell.

I'm not certain why you, @Episkopos, would think that this is based on a lie.

If you really think that, there must be something deeply wrong with your theology.

2 Chr. 34:19 · Jul 13, 2020

justbyfaith said:
It is biblically viable this story about two different people who went, one to heaven, and the other to hell. It is even a picture of what the Bible teaches about heaven and hell.

I'm not certain why you, @Episkopos, would think that this is based on a lie.

If you really think that, there must be something deeply wrong with your theology.

2 Chr. 34:19 said:
Couldnt it be a parable?

The rich man and lazarus

Episkopos · Jul 13, 2020

justbyfaith said:
It is biblically viable this story about two different people who went, one to heaven, and the other to hell. It is even a picture of what the Bible teaches about heaven and hell.

I'm not certain why you, @Episkopos, would think that this is based on a lie.

If you really think that, there must be something deeply wrong with your theology.

The lie is the smugness with which certain infiltrators cast people into hell because of a theology which they haven't understood. We are not to cast people into hell.

The OP has no authority to teach whatsoever....quite the opposite.

People who are left behind from the body of Christ are not cast into hell. No believer will ever be cast into hell. One who believes has passed from death to life.

You should know that.

What is at stake is the QUALITY of that salvation. In a great house there are vessels of honour and vessels of dishonour.

And being born again does in NO way guarantee that you are going to be a vessel of honour.

So knowing that you can see that there are layers of error in the OP.

justbyfaith · Jul 13, 2020

Episkopos said:
No believer will ever be cast into hell.

The believer who falls away will not be in heaven (Luke 8:13).

Episkopos said:
People who are left behind from the body of Christ are not cast into hell. No believer will ever be cast into hell. One who believes has passed from death to life.

You should know that.

Even a believer who works iniquity will be cast into hell, if you consider someone who commits iniquity to be a believer. Matthew 7:23, Matthew 13:41-42.

Behold · Jul 13, 2020

Episkopos said:
Posting propaganda and tall tales does not constitute content for a Christian forum.

Jesus often told stories.- parables.

Biblical Stories contain gems of wisdom and nuggets of spirituality which are to be uncovered by sincere believers.
My simple Story of the Twins, reveals the most important verse in the New Testament that Jesus ever spoke to humans, and what He proclaimed is not a story, a fairytale, a parable, a myth, and is also not symbolic.
Its everlasting TRUTH.

Behold · Jul 13, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Even a believer who works iniquity will be cast into hell,

You committed "iniquity" against me on this forum, many times, by accusing me falsely of teaching "Gnosticism".
You later said you'd never even read any Gnostic teaching, and had no access to any, you said......... while, you have been accusing me of teaching what you've never even read.
So, according to your understanding of a believer who works iniquity, i'd say you have a problem to consider.

justbyfaith · Jul 13, 2020

Behold said:
You committed "iniquity" against me on this forum, many times, by accusing me falsely of teaching "Gnosticism".
You later said you'd never even read any Gnostic teaching, and had no access to any, you said......... while, you have been accusing me of teaching what you've never even read.
So, according to your understanding of a believer who works iniquity, i'd say you have a problem to consider.

I have not falsely accused you.

I have said that Christian teachers have taught me what is the gnostic teachings but that I don't have access to gnostic writings themselves; by which a man might be deceived by gnosticism if he were to read them.

Do you have access to such writings?

But Christian teachers have taught me faithfully that gnosticism teaches that matter is evil and spirit is good.

You claim that we have no sin because our real selves is not our body and therefore the fact that our bodies are vile (Philippians 3:21 (kjv)) does not mean that we have sin.

This is right in line with what I know of gnostic teachings...they deny that what we do in the body has any affect on our salvation or anything else, for that matter.

However, scripture is clear (Romans 8:12-13) that what we do in the body does matter.

John was teaching against gnosticism when he made his statement in 1 John 1:8...and therefore your denial of that verse is an affirmation of gnostic teachings.

Behold · Jul 13, 2020

justbyfaith said:
I have not falsely accused you.

I have said that Christian teachers have taught me what is the gnostic teachings but that I don't have access to gnostic writings themselves; by which a man might be deceived by gnosticism if he were to read them.
Do you have access to such writings?
But Christian teachers have taught me faithfully that gnosticism teaches that matter is evil and spirit is good.
You claim that we have no sin because our real selves is not our body and therefore the fact that our bodies are vile (Philippians 3:21 (kjv)) does not mean that we have sin.
This is right in line with what I know of gnostic teachings...they deny that what we do in the body has any affect on our salvation or anything else, for that matter.
However, scripture is clear (Romans 8:12-13) that what we do in the body does matter.
John was teaching against gnosticism when he made his statement in 1 John 1:8...and therefore your denial of that verse is an affirmation of gnostic teachings.

""""""""I have said that Christian teachers have taught me what is the gnostic teachings but that I don't have access to gnostic writings themselves; by which a man might be deceived by gnosticism if he were to read them."""""""""

If your "teachers" are heretics who taught you, then that does not excuse you from accusing me falsely.

""""""Do you have access to such writings?"""""

The entire world has access to such writings. Have you ever used "GOOGLE"?
How about "wikipedia"?

""""""But Christian teachers have taught me faithfully that gnosticism teaches that matter is evil and spirit is good."""""

Either you are a terrible student or your teacher is not able to understand Gnosis or how they spiritually perceive = Gnosticism.

""""""""""You claim that we have no sin because our real selves is not our body and therefore the fact that our bodies are vile (Philippians 3:21 (kjv)) does not mean that we have sin.""""""

Philippians 3 teaches that we can't be righteous by the law.....This has nothing to do with having sin or not.

Its the Blood Atonement that proves we have no sin. Its the Grace of God given sacrificially though The Cross that explains why we have no Sin.
And of course our "real selves" is not our body... Our body CONTAINS our "real selves".
WE live in an earth suit. It will die and go back to the EARTH. How can you not realize this?
The REAL YOU IN in the BODY.......and now the Born again YOU, is the same REAL YOU< but its a NEW CREATION.
And its this... " In Whom you (born again) are circumcised WITH THE circumcision made without hands (Holy Spirit)....in putting OFF THE BODY OF THE SINS OF THE FLESH.......and HOW ?????????? by the circumcision of CHRIST".....

So, do you read? Did you read? We the born again, are spiritually circumcised by God, and our BODY OF SINS OF THE FLESH is GONE GONE GONE.

Sin is Gone, Body is dying, and the real you is NOT YOUR BODY.

""""""""This is right in line with what I know of gnostic teachings...they deny that what we do in the body has any affect on our salvation or anything else, for that matter.""""""""

What we do with our body had nothing to do with our Salvation... =Thats true, but its not a Gnostic Teaching. That is just the realization that Salvation is something that God did on the Cross and not something you can change or DO with your body.

""""""""John was teaching against gnosticism when he made his statement in 1 John 1:8...and therefore your denial of that verse is an affirmation of gnostic teachings."""""""

There is nothing related to Gnostic teaching in that verse, nor in 1 John 3, when he is talking to the born again, and seems to contradict your verse.
But he doesn't.
You just dont understand these verses.

1 Jn 1:9 ....That has to be your favorite verse in the bible, and you still have not understood it.

And.....Its the same John that says we can't SIN in 1 John 3.

So, John understands why He would tell one Group they have "sin"< and later talking to the BORN AGAIN, as he defines them in the VERSE, .. he says we the born again, "can't sin".
This does not mean we can't commit the same deeds we committed before we were saved.
It means that once the Blood Atonement is applied to us, this redeems all our sin.
This includes the Future deeds that are carnal.
We dont have sin, because Jesus has them, on The Cross.
We have His Righteousness, which is to be IN CHRIST... and there is NO SIN found "IN Christ".

justbyfaith · Jul 13, 2020

You keep denying the reality of 1 John 1:8; and therefore you are a false teacher.

Behold said:
The entire world has access to such writings. Have you ever used "GOOGLE"?
How about "wikipedia"?

Have you accessed these writings?

I do not consider myself to have access to them because I do not want to be deceived by gnosticism and therefore I am not interested in those writings.

But apparently you have read them and been influenced by them; and therefore you teach gnosticism and in the very next deny that this is what you do.

Behold said:
Its the Blood Atonement that proves we have no sin. Its the Grace of God given sacrificially though The Cross that explains why we have no Sin.

Another denial of 1 John 1:8.

Behold said:
What we do with our body had nothing to do with our Salvation... =Thats true, but its not a Gnostic Teaching.

It is a gnostic teaching; and it is untrue (Romans 8:12-13).

Behold said:
There is nothing related to Gnostic teaching in that verse, nor in 1 John 3, when he is talking to the born again, and seems to contradict your verse.
But he doesn't.
You just dont understand these verses.

I do understand these verses; and have explained them on these boards ad infinitum.

I see no contradiction between them.

And yet, I don't deny the reality of the first of them, 1 John 1:8.

Here it is again:

We all have indwelling sin; but this does not mean that we have to walk according to the sin nature; because it can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any authority over our behaviour.

Therefore it is true that the one who is born of God "does not" and "can not" sin (1 John 3:9) and that the one who abideth in Christ "sinneth not" (1 John 3:6).

Not because we don't have a sin nature; but because sin has been rendered dead within us.

With these things in mind, please tell me how you still think there is a contradiction between the literal interpretation of 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 3:5-9.

justbyfaith · Jul 13, 2020

Behold said:
1 John 1:9 ....That has to be your favorite verse in the bible,

It is not my favorite verse in the Bible. But it does contradict just about everything that you try to teach on these boards.

Episkopos · Jul 13, 2020

Behold said:
Jesus often told stories.- parables.

Biblical Stories contain gems of wisdom and nuggets of spirituality which are to be uncovered by sincere believers.
My simple Story of the Twins, reveals the most important verse in the New Testament that Jesus ever spoke to humans, and what He proclaimed is not a story, a fairytale, a parable, a myth, and is also not symbolic.
Its everlasting TRUTH.

So you see yourself on Jesus' level now.

You can't tell the difference between an invention of yours and eternal truth. You are really far gone. Inventions from your own religious imagination is not the same as making a proper parable. A fantasy world that you are inviting people to join is not according to reality?

Your simple story is not true at all...it is actually based on untruths. It just shows how you don't understand the gospel at all.

justbyfaith · Jul 13, 2020

Episkopos said:
So you see yourself on Jesus' level now.

You can't tell the difference between an invention of yours and eternal truth. You are really far gone. Inventions from your own religious imagination is not the same as making a proper parable. A fantasy world that you are inviting people to join is not according to reality?

Your simple story is not true at all...it is actually based on untruths. It just shows how you don't understand the gospel at all.

@Behold may be off-base on a few things...

But his story of the two nuns is based on biblical truths.

If you think that it isn't, that says to me that you are the one who doesn't have any understanding of the gospel message.

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