Except a man be born of WATER and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Tong2020 · Jul 15, 2020

It seems that you had not answered the questions in my post as follows:

Can one be "born again" twice or thrice or even more?

Or

Can such rebirth spoken of by Jesus Christ be undone once done?

Reggie Belafonte said:
When Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist we see that Jesus went out for 40 days and then took on the Devil. it was this that set him out on his mission to deal with this world.

It must be realized that the baptism of Jesus was not a baptism of repentance that John administers to the Jews. It was so that the Messiah may be made manifest to Israel, for John the baptist said "And I knew him not, but that he may be made manifest in Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water."

Reggie Belafonte said:
John the Baptist said that he was not worthy giving of the Baptism of Holy Spirit, that was of Jesus Christ only.

Concerning this, this is what John the baptist said "And I knew him not; but he who sent me to baptize with water, said to me: He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon him, he it is that baptizeth with the Holy Ghost."

Reggie Belafonte said:
One must be water baptised to receive the Holy Spirit, as that is it's intention, no one can receive the Holy Spirit who is not water baptised.

While it is true, after the cross, that people receive the Holy Spirit when they were baptized with water in the name of Jesus Christ, it does not mean to say that people only will receive the Holy Spirit when baptized with water. That would contradict the truth in scriptures.

Reggie Belafonte said:
Satanist claim that Paul was not water baptised, but many many of the Jews were water baptised by John, even tho they all did not receive the Holy Spirit, but I am sure that Saul would of been one to of been water baptised by John and Saul got the message from God and became Paul.

And I am not a Satanist, but I would say that Saul was not water baptized by John the baptist. Read how Saul was baptized in Acts 9.

Reggie Belafonte said:
You must be born of the Water baptism Jesus said so.

That's not what Jesus said. What Jesus said is this "You must be born again" or more literally "You must be born from above".

Tong
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Tong2020 · Jul 15, 2020

Reggie Belafonte said:
What is water baptism, well it was one taking it on yourself pre Christianity or one who was not brought up in the faith by family, but if one was born in a true Christian family you would of been water baptised as a baby because as such you are in the community of Christ Jesus, fact is that any worthy Christian would baptise their children in fact, so that's why one goes to Church with ones children, this is in the hope that they recive the Holy Spirit, that's the number one point of getting water baptised and going to Church.

One does not receive the Holy Spirit until one is truly born again.
One is water baptised first and then one learns from religious instruction, but the hope is for one to receive the Holy Spirit, now some receive X amount of gifts as to the Holy Spirit but that does not mean that they are truly born again, because they can fail as to the weeds of this world choking them, stunting their growth in Christ.

So one could say one is in regard to one born again of the water and one can be born again of the Holy Spirit, their is a trans stage from faith in Jesus = as Jesus says, oh you of little faith ? that's most believers by far and then their is they of faith that can move mountains = truly born again. it's they that are in the Kingdom of God = not of this world lead astray of worldly deceptions, they are sent out among the wolfs in this world.

Now we can see the being water baptised is not the key ingredient but it's the start of, like a marriage day somewhat, but such things are more than that day, because one works towards making a marriage work and so to does one as to a baptism, it's not just a one off day experience, your God mother and God father have set task to help one on the path to the Lord Jesus, just as your family does.

Now if the mother and dad just get the child baptised and claim that that's all they have to do. that's wrong. that's like sending a child off to school on the first day and then dismiss any regard to ones upbringing. or one sending children off to Church and not doing your duty as to them.

To comment, it must be realized that water baptism was performed by John the baptist in connection to his ministry, that is, to prepare the way of the Lord and to make manifest the Messiah to Israel. This baptismal rite is that of repentance which John had performed with water. It is a purification rite which is symbolized by the washing with water, for water purifies the body. Of course, it is not the body that is intended to being purified in this baptismal rite, but the heart of the person who, in baptism, confesses his sins, looking forward to the coming of the Messiah, for the forgiveness of their sin, the Messiah whom John preached to them, who was before him, and is coming after him, and whom they are to believe. Now, Jesus and His disciples likewise carried on this baptism with water of John the baptist.

After the cross, the baptism with water, that is, that baptism of repentance, was not at all cut short nor was changed, but was carried on by the apostles, who went preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to Israel, calling the Jews to repentance towards faith in Jesus Christ, and instructing them to be baptized with water for the forgiveness of their sins. The only, but very significant difference between the baptism before the cross and the baptism after the cross is the matter of the receiving of the Holy Spirit and Jesus' baptism with the Holy Spirit, only begun after the cross.

Now, having said that, it must be then realized that baptism never was meant as the way and means for one to be save, nor was baptism with water is getting oneself born again. Clearly, water baptism pertains to repentance towards faith in Jesus Christ, different from and is not getting born again.

To be born again or born from above is not something that an individual can initiate or do. The matter of birth is outside of the one being born. As such, to be born of God, is God's initiative and working, in the same sense that to be born of man, is man's initiative and working.

Tong
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marksman · Jul 15, 2020

Tong2020 said:
We know that Jesus said "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Many, if not few, contend and insist that to be "born again" is to be baptized with water.

Can one be "born again" twice or thrice or even more?

Or

Can such rebirth spoken of by Jesus Christ be undone once done?

Tong
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Proof texting does not constitute a doctrine.

marksman · Jul 15, 2020

Tong2020 said:
It seems that you had not answered the questions in my post as follows:

Can one be "born again" twice or thrice or even more?

Or

Can such rebirth spoken of by Jesus Christ be undone once done?

It must be realized that the baptism of Jesus was not a baptism of repentance that John administers to the Jews. It was so that the Messiah may be made manifest to Israel, for John the baptist said "And I knew him not, but that he may be made manifest in Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water."

Concerning this, this is what John the baptist said "And I knew him not; but he who sent me to baptize with water, said to me: He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon him, he it is that baptizeth with the Holy Ghost."

While it is true, after the cross, that people receive the Holy Spirit when they were baptized with water in the name of Jesus Christ, it does not mean to say that people only will receive the Holy Spirit when baptized with water. That would contradict the truth in scriptures.

And I am not a Satanist, but I would say that Saul was not water baptized by John the baptist. Read how Saul was baptized in Acts 9.

That's not what Jesus said. What Jesus said is this "You must be born again" or more literally "You must be born from above".

Tong
R0768

To everyone here. You must realize that Tong will fight to the death to mitigate the need for water baptism. He is totally against it in any shape or form and even if you quoted a thousand verses that spoke of water baptism for the believer he will use some verse out of context to prove that you are wrong and he is right.

So you are on a hiding to nothing because he has made his mind up and NOTHING is going to change it. That means there is no discussion on the subject. Only my way or the highway.

Enoch111 · Jul 15, 2020

marksman said:
You must realize that Tong will fight to the death to mitigate the need for water baptism.

I wonder which Tong he belongs to?

GerhardEbersoehn · Jul 15, 2020

Tong2020 said:
I would say that Saul was not water baptized by John the baptist. Read how Saul was baptized in Acts 9.

AMEN! Acts 9:17 and 18! What a CONTRAST with the fuss and issue the servant of queen Candace of Ethiopia made of his water-baptism!

GerhardEbersoehn · Jul 15, 2020

Tong2020 said: ↑
It seems that you had not answered the questions in my post as follows:
Can one be "born again" twice or thrice or even more?
Or
Can such rebirth spoken of by Jesus Christ be undone once done?
It must be realized that the baptism of Jesus was not a baptism of repentance that John administers to the Jews. It was so that the Messiah may be made manifest to Israel, for John the baptist said "And I knew him not, but that he may be made manifest in Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water."
Concerning this, this is what John the baptist said "And I knew him not; but he who sent me to baptize with water, said to me: He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon him, he it is that baptizeth with the Holy Ghost."
While it is true, after the cross, that people receive the Holy Spirit when they were baptized with water in the name of Jesus Christ, it does not mean to say that people only will receive the Holy Spirit when baptized with water. That would contradict the truth in scriptures.
And I am not a Satanist, but I would say that Saul was not water baptized by John the baptist. Read how Saul was baptized in Acts 9.
That's not what Jesus said. What Jesus said is this "You must be born again" or more literally "You must be born from above".
Tong
R0768

marksman said:
To everyone here. You must realize that Tong will fight to the death to mitigate the need for water baptism. He is totally against it in any shape or form and even if you quoted a thousand verses that spoke of water baptism for the believer he will use some verse out of context to prove that you are wrong and he is right.
So you are on a hiding to nothing because he has made his mind up and NOTHING is going to change it. That means there is no discussion on the subject. Only my way or the highway.

To 'Marksman' here. You should realise you have not the faintest idea of what Tong has to say, nor the faintest idea of what you yourself are saying.

Tong2020 · Jul 15, 2020

marksman said:
Proof texting does not constitute a doctrine.

Address the questions sir if you will, instead of making irrelevant statements and/or comments.

Thank you.

Tong
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Tong2020 · Jul 15, 2020

marksman said:
To everyone here. You must realize that Tong will fight to the death to mitigate the need for water baptism. He is totally against it in any shape or form and even if you quoted a thousand verses that spoke of water baptism for the believer he will use some verse out of context to prove that you are wrong and he is right.

So you are on a hiding to nothing because he has made his mind up and NOTHING is going to change it. That means there is no discussion on the subject. Only my way or the highway.

Seems like you are in front of a mirror and talking to yourself sir. And why resort to ad hominem? Is that how you defend what you believe? Well, it's one of the weakest defense I would have to say.

Sir, nobody is against baptism with water. It's one thing to be against baptism and it's another to be against the teaching that to be baptized with water is getting born again.

Tong
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GerhardEbersoehn · Jul 15, 2020

in Acts 4 the problems of the early Church began,
with the recurring* hoax of

First, the Equality and Fraternity of all men "and distribution (of property and wealth) unto every man according as he had need";
with immediately and inevitably following

Next, fraud, theft and lying, in Acts 5;
with immediately and inevitably following,

Three, corrupt and lawless deep state of lobbyists and councils, in Acts 6(b);
with immediately and inevitably following,

Four, open, uncontrolled and uninhibited hatred and murder, in Acts 7(b);
with immediately and inevitably following,

Five, the most dangerous of all temptations for the saints of the God of Truth,
hypocrisy, self-righteousness and pride in a semblance of true holiness, in Acts 8(b)

[* e.g. French Revolution, Abraham Lincoln, American Constitution, Vatican, One World]

Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn

charity · Jul 15, 2020

07-07-07 said:
John 3
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Since this is the prerequisite to enter into the Kingdom of God, I think it is very important to have a full understanding of it. While being born of the Spirit is pretty self explanatory, being born of "water" is less clear; that's why I put that word in all caps in the title: WATER. I say that it's less clear because I've heard many commentaries on it's meaning. Here are two.

1. When were are born of a natural birth via our Mother's wombs, then we are born of WATER when her water breaks. However, that does not make any sense in the context that Jesus spoke. It's as strange as Nicodemus' response, "How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"

2. When we are baptized in water, then we are born of WATER. However, that would not be in proper context as water baptism is merely symbolic of what has already happened. The born-again experience. Your old man has been buried and a new man has come forth. So, water baptism could not be what Jesus was referring to.

Therefore, we must dig deeper into the Scriptures to have a full understanding of what Jesus meant. I'll let the Scriptures speak.

Ephesians 5
[24] Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
[25] Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[26] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of WATER by the WORD,
[27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

How is the Church washed in WATER? By the Word of God. The Word of God is the WATER.

1 Peter 1
[22] Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
[23] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Being born again by what? By the Word of God.

Therefore, as supported by Scripture, Jesus is saying that "Except a man be born of WATER [the Word of God] and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

'Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit,
he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.'
(John 3:5)

Hello @07-07-07,

Thank you for your OP. I agree that it is 'spiritual water' that is meant, for there is a figure of speech here, where two things are spoken but only one meant, and in this case it is 'spiritual water' that is intended.

I would like to share something with you in regard to this passage of Scripture if I may:-
1) Note that these words were spoken to an Israelite, to a Ruler, a Pharisee, and a 'Master in Israel' who ought to have known from the Old Testament, the truth which the Lord was speaking:- 'Verily, Verily, I say unto THEE.'

2) It was spoken about the 'Kingdom', and has therefore nothing whatever to do with the 'Church of God'. The words referred to 'earthly things,' as the Lord Himself stated in verse 12.

3) Nicodemus ought to have known and understood what the Lord was teaching: seeing it had been clearly foretold that, when Israel should be restored and brought back to the Land, and the kingdom set up, everything was to be changed from the material to the spiritual. Their, 'heart of flesh' was to be taken away, and a new heart was to be substituted for it. Israel was to be cleansed and purified, and therefore 'water' is used as the symbol (see Ezekiel 36:24-30; Ezekiel 37:9: and compare Numbers 19:9 & 13; Leviticus 14:6-9; Zechariah 13:1 [with Zechariah 12:9-14]).

But before this spiritual water could 'cleanse' spiritual fire was to 'purge.' The refiner's fire was to purify (Matthew 3:11). This refining (or baptism of 'pneuma and fire') is described in Malachi 3:1-6; Malachi 4:1, and would be in judgement.

In Isaiah 4:4, these two baptisms are mentioned together, in connection with that future day 'when the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgement, and by the spirit of burning'. This purging is the spiritual fire of Malachi 4:1, and Matthew 3:11.

But Israel is also to be cleansed and purified, as well as purged and refined; and the 'spiritual water' of John 3:5 is used as the symbol of this 'washing away' of Isaiah 4:4.

It is the spiritual water of Ezekiel 36:24-30 and John 3:5: and is to 'wash away the filth of the daughters of Zion.' Compare Isaiah 44:3, and Zechariah 13:1.

These are the scriptures which should have explained the Lord's words to Nicodemus; and which should now explain them to us.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Randy Kluth · Jul 15, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Not necessarily. Your doctrine depends on the concept that they are two different people. However, in light of your doctrine, believe that the holy scriptures substantiate the concept that the Centurion in Matthew 8:5-13 were one and the same person.

He was saved if he was the man in the gospel. And it is a good bet to say that he was in fact that man.

The very fact Peter was sent to him to pray that he receive salvation indicates he was not saved.

justbyfaith · Jul 16, 2020

Randy Kluth said:
The very fact Peter was sent to him to pray that he receive salvation indicates he was not saved.

Maybe the salvation that he still needed was to be baptized in the Holy Ghost. But it seems to me that he had a faith in Him that may have been likened to the mustard seed faith in the parable. It was greater faith than He had seen in all of Israel.

The Centurion had a faith in Jesus in Matthew 8:5-13 that was yet incomplete because it could not be coupled with the preaching of the gospel...the knowledge that Jesus died for him and rose again. But it was faith enough in Jesus to have his servant healed from a distance...and therefore faith enough to produce righteousness in Cornelius.

Randy Kluth · Jul 16, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Maybe the salvation that he still needed was to be baptized in the Holy Ghost. But it seems to me that he had a faith in Him that may have been likened to the mustard seed faith in the parable. It was greater faith than He had seen in all of Israel.

The Centurion had a faith in Jesus in Matthew 8:5-13 that was yet incomplete because it could not be coupled with the preaching of the gospel...the knowledge that Jesus died for him and rose again. But it was faith enough in Jesus to have his servant healed from a distance...and therefore faith enough to produce righteousness in Cornelius.

I have no reason to believe the centurion in Matt 8 was Cornelius in Acts. That's pure speculation, unless you have information I don't have.

Reggie Belafonte · Jul 16, 2020

Tong2020 said:
It seems that you had not answered the questions in my post as follows:

Can one be "born again" twice or thrice or even more?

Or

Can such rebirth spoken of by Jesus Christ be undone once done?

It must be realized that the baptism of Jesus was not a baptism of repentance that John administers to the Jews. It was so that the Messiah may be made manifest to Israel, for John the baptist said "And I knew him not, but that he may be made manifest in Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water."

Concerning this, this is what John the baptist said "And I knew him not; but he who sent me to baptize with water, said to me: He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon him, he it is that baptizeth with the Holy Ghost."

While it is true, after the cross, that people receive the Holy Spirit when they were baptized with water in the name of Jesus Christ, it does not mean to say that people only will receive the Holy Spirit when baptized with water. That would contradict the truth in scriptures.

And I am not a Satanist, but I would say that Saul was not water baptized by John the baptist. Read how Saul was baptized in Acts 9.

That's not what Jesus said. What Jesus said is this "You must be born again" or more literally "You must be born from above".

Tong
R0768

One can only be water baptised only once if it's done the correct way, I know if one bloke that has been done 3 times he tells me and now he claims that one gets saved born again by words said and you repeat them words then you are saved born again and then if you want you can get water baptised if you want. I say hogwash to that nonsense, he has been mislead by his new age group.

One is water baptised in hope of receiving the Holy Spirit, but till that day it's about one can repent of your Sins in a religious way for one does not know God. one knows of him but it's not a personal knowing him, because they have doubts.
Once truly born again that in such, no one can be taking out of Gods hand and they do not have doubts.

No one claims that Jesus was water baptised of repentance at all.

I said I am sure that Saul was water baptised before hand as many Jews were. and I believe that such as even the act of water baptism gives one a gift.

You must be born again, or more literally, born into the Holy Spirit and then one will be abiding in this.

Saul was under delusions of the bastard Jews who St Stephen pointed out of the history, Saul knew that St Stephen was an Angel, he was their and seen it. but he was kicking against the pricks. until bingo ! he was born again and he was in the Kingdom of God and sent out among the wolfs himself.
Saul was a true Israelite honest to God and that's why he became Paul.

justbyfaith · Jul 16, 2020

Randy Kluth said:
I have no reason to believe the centurion in Matt 8 was Cornelius in Acts. That's pure speculation, unless you have information I don't have.

Simply because if he isn't, a man can be righteous apart from faith in Jesus Christ; which is an unbiblical proposition.

Therefore, in order to have harmony with the rest of scripture, I conclude that the Centurion in Matthew 8:5-13 is Cornelius.

And you most certainly cannot prove that he isn't.

Tong2020 · Jul 16, 2020

Reggie Belafonte said:
One can only be water baptised only once if it's done the correct way, I know if one bloke that has been done 3 times he tells me and now he claims that one gets saved born again by words said and you repeat them words then you are saved born again and then if you want you can get water baptised if you want. I say hogwash to that nonsense, he has been mislead by his new age group.

One is water baptised in hope of receiving the Holy Spirit, but till that day it's about one can repent of your Sins in a religious way for one does not know God. one knows of him but it's not a personal knowing him, because they have doubts.

Again, I would have to say that you missed the question. The question is "Can one be "born again" twice or thrice or even more?" It's not if one can be baptized again. Unless you believe that getting baptized is getting born again. So, if that is not the case, please go ahead and answer the question.

Reggie Belafonte said:
Once truly born again that in such, no one can be taking out of Gods hand and they do not have doubts.

What you say here seems to be your answer to the question "Can such rebirth spoken of by Jesus Christ be undone once done?". What I gather is that you believe that the rebirth spoken of by Jesus Christ once done cannot be undone. Did I get you right?

Reggie Belafonte said:
No one claims that Jesus was water baptised of repentance at all.

That's good then. Though some might think so and not realize that such was not so.

Reggie Belafonte said:
I said I am sure that Saul was water baptised before hand as many Jews were. and I believe that such as even the act of water baptism gives one a gift.

Well you said differently and I quote "Satanist claim that Paul was not water baptised, but many many of the Jews were water baptised by John, even tho they all did not receive the Holy Spirit, but I am sure that Saul would of been one to of been water baptised by John and Saul got the message from God and became Paul." That's why I said, that Saul was not water baptized by John the baptist, and so asked you to read Acts 9. If there was any baptism or washing rite that Saul had before his Acts 9 baptism, it was not that of John the baptist, but that of one of those performed in Judaism.

Reggie Belafonte said:
You must be born again, or more literally, born into the Holy Spirit and then one will be abiding in this.

In John 3:3, the phrase "born again" was an English translation of the original Greek phrase "gennēthē anōthen" which is not literally translated "born into the Holy Spirit", and rather is "born from above".

Reggie Belafonte said:
Saul was under delusions of the bastard Jews who St Stephen pointed out of the history, Saul knew that St Stephen was an Angel, he was their and seen it. but he was kicking against the pricks. until bingo ! he was born again and he was in the Kingdom of God and sent out among the wolfs himself.

What do you mean Stephen was an Angel? Do you mean "Angel" as an angel being such as is the angel Gabriel? Please clarify.

Reggie Belafonte said:
Saul was a true Israelite honest to God and that's why he became Paul.

Why Saul became Paul, is because of the grace of the Lord and not because of his race nor of anything he had done, nor because he was honest or what.

Tong
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marksman · Jul 16, 2020

Tong2020 said:
Seems like you are in front of a mirror and talking to yourself sir. And why resort to ad hominem? Is that how you defend what you believe? Well, it's one of the weakest defense I would have to say.

Sir, nobody is against baptism with water. It's one thing to be against baptism and it's another to be against the teaching that to be baptized with water is getting born again.

Tong
R0772

No one has said that being baptized is getting born again. What I have always said which your blinkered theology has prevented you from seeing is that repentance is getting rid of the old man and baptism is putting on the new man. You can't put on the new until you have got rid of the old. Is that too hard for you to understand?

marksman · Jul 16, 2020

Tong2020 said:
Address the questions sir if you will, instead of making irrelevant statements and/or comments.

Thank you.

Tong
R0771

Do what I said instead of making irrelevant statements/comments.

marksman · Jul 16, 2020

GerhardEbersoehn said:
Tong2020 said: ↑
It seems that you had not answered the questions in my post as follows:
Can one be "born again" twice or thrice or even more?
Or
Can such rebirth spoken of by Jesus Christ be undone once done?
It must be realized that the baptism of Jesus was not a baptism of repentance that John administers to the Jews. It was so that the Messiah may be made manifest to Israel, for John the baptist said "And I knew him not, but that he may be made manifest in Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water."
Concerning this, this is what John the baptist said "And I knew him not; but he who sent me to baptize with water, said to me: He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon him, he it is that baptizeth with the Holy Ghost."
While it is true, after the cross, that people receive the Holy Spirit when they were baptized with water in the name of Jesus Christ, it does not mean to say that people only will receive the Holy Spirit when baptized with water. That would contradict the truth in scriptures.
And I am not a Satanist, but I would say that Saul was not water baptized by John the baptist. Read how Saul was baptized in Acts 9.
That's not what Jesus said. What Jesus said is this "You must be born again" or more literally "You must be born from above".
Tong
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To 'Marksman' here. You should realise you have not the faintest idea of what Tong has to say, nor the faintest idea of what you yourself are saying.

Of course, you are so superior to me so there is no way I will know what I am talking about. After all, I am just a blathering idiot who thinks that passing on all the wisdom, teaching, instruction and learning from theological college, university, professors and giants of the faith is somehow useful and worthwhile when in actual fact it is nothing to compare with those who have no degree of any kind, no expose to professors of theology, no giants of the faith to refer to or any biblical teaching to fall back on.

I realize their opinion is all that is needed to make what they say authentic and theologically correct and authoritative. I can see now that I have been wasting my time studying for years and years as a workman approved by God and is not ashamed. Easier to just sit here and say the first thing that comes into my head and proclaim it to be authentic and true. Just think of all the time I will have to go and sit on the beach and enjoy myself.

Except a man be born of WATER and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

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