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CadyandZoe

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It sounded as if you were in favor of overthrowing the US government including Trump and Pence when you wrote Americans "need to rise up against their corrupt leaders."
Not all of America's leaders are corrupt. Some are hard to spot, while others are known by their fruits. If a leader advocates for defunding the police, letting prisoners free, ordering the police to stand down during riots, not allowing children to attend school, forcing people to wear masks, keeping churches closed, not allowing folks to go back to work, punishing business owners who do, that leader is corrupt and should not be allowed to stay in office. Since our representatives refuse to take action against these narcissistic, megalomaniacs, then grand juries should be convened and county sheriffs should declare martial law and arrest these governors and mayors for violating their oath to defend the constitution of the United States. If they don't they prove themselves to be complicity in their treason.
 

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Not all of America's leaders are corrupt. Some are hard to spot, while others are known by their fruits. If a leader advocates for defunding the police, letting prisoners free, ordering the police to stand down during riots, not allowing children to attend school, forcing people to wear masks, keeping churches closed, not allowing folks to go back to work, punishing business owners who do, that leader is corrupt and should not be allowed to stay in office. Since our representatives refuse to take action against these narcissistic, megalomaniacs, then grand juries should be convened and county sheriffs should declare martial law and arrest these governors and mayors for violating their oath to defend the constitution of the United States. If they don't they prove themselves to be complicity in their treason.
Sheriffs can't declare martial law. Federally, the President or Congress can; and governors can in the states. As well, civilians cannot be tried in military courts if martial law is declared.

It sounds to me as if you don't like democracy. If we don't like the people in office, we can vote them out. I believe in elections even if I don't always like the results. I didn't vote for Trump; but other people did. He's the legitimate President. I would be opposed to anyone who said the military should seize power, arrest him and put him on trial.

We have courts to deal with government officials if and when they commit crimes. I believe in the rule of law. You don't sound as if you do.
 

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Not all of America's leaders are corrupt. Some are hard to spot, while others are known by their fruits. If a leader advocates for defunding the police, letting prisoners free, ordering the police to stand down during riots, not allowing children to attend school, forcing people to wear masks, keeping churches closed, not allowing folks to go back to work, punishing business owners who do, that leader is corrupt and should not be allowed to stay in office. Since our representatives refuse to take action against these narcissistic, megalomaniacs, then grand juries should be convened and county sheriffs should declare martial law and arrest these governors and mayors for violating their oath to defend the constitution of the United States. If they don't they prove themselves to be complicity in their treason.
The media is almost totally corrupt. They are owned by EVIL people who hate America.
 

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Sheriffs can't declare martial law. Federally, the President or Congress can; and governors can in the states. As well, civilians cannot be tried in military courts if martial law is declared.

It sounds to me as if you don't like democracy. If we don't like the people in office, we can vote them out. I believe in elections even if I don't always like the results. I didn't vote for Trump; but other people did. He's the legitimate President. I would be opposed to anyone who said the military should seize power, arrest him and put him on trial.

We have courts to deal with government officials if and when they commit crimes. I believe in the rule of law. You don't sound as if you do.
I do not believe in democracy. A lynch mob is the perfect example of democracy, almost unanimous agreement with only one dissenting vote. In some cities in America it has come to mob rule, which is another form of democracy.

Rule of law is just words if not enforced. Rule of law means nothing if there are two sets of laws: one for them, and another for us. Two courts: one for them and another for us. Two occasions for police arrest: one for them and other for us.

When the captain of the ship endangers both the ship, and the crew, the captain is forcibly relieved of command. When any lieutenant is guilty of dereliction of duty, or gives unlawful orders, that lieutenant is relieved of command. When the mayor of a city lives behind gated walls, using police protection, allowing a group of thugs and rioters to injure and kill her citizens, she should be forcibly removed from office. Some situations can't wait for an election.

The role of the United States is not to make the world safe for democracy; the role of the United States is to make democracy safe for the world. Big difference. Our founders handed us a republican form of government and it is up to the people to keep it. Over time, the public has unwittingly and unfortunately moved the country away from republicanism toward democracy which accounts for what we see now.

BTW, county sheriff's have more power than you might think. Under certain circumstances, they have more power than the President of the United States. Don't underestimate the power of the county sheriff.
 

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I do not believe in democracy. A lynch mob is the perfect example of democracy, almost unanimous agreement with only one dissenting vote. In some cities in America it has come to mob rule, which is another form of democracy.
I was not arguing for a "pure democracy." That would be crazy, of course. If I was walking down the street and met two people who wanted my money, they could say, "Let's put it to a vote. You lose. Give us your money."

Rule of law is just words if not enforced. Rule of law means nothing if there are two sets of laws: one for them, and another for us. Two courts: one for them and another for us. Two occasions for police arrest: one for them and other for us.
That is the reason people have been protesting. First it was white slaveowners beating slaves. Then it was the Jim Crow era and lynchings. Today it's often white cops.

When the captain of the ship endangers both the ship, and the crew, the captain is forcibly relieved of command. When any lieutenant is guilty of dereliction of duty, or gives unlawful orders, that lieutenant is relieved of command. When the mayor of a city lives behind gated walls, using police protection, allowing a group of thugs and rioters to injure and kill her citizens, she should be forcibly removed from office. Some situations can't wait for an election.
Who gets to decide to remove these people? Me? You? The people with the most guns?

The role of the United States is not to make the world safe for democracy; the role of the United States is to make democracy safe for the world. Big difference. Our founders handed us a republican form of government and it is up to the people to keep it. Over time, the public has unwittingly and unfortunately moved the country away from republicanism toward democracy which accounts for what we see now.
I wouldn't say this. I'd say we started off with a wonderful ideal -- a republic where eveyone has the same rights, and a republic where our government is decided by democratic elections. We have been struggling to achieve that ideal. When this country was founded, women couldn't vote. Husbands could beat their wives with impunity. Blacks couldn't vote. Blacks had no civil rights when this country was founded. Black people still do not have equal rights.

While I do not believe in a "pure democracy," I can see that if one group can prevent another group from voting, the first group can rule and have other rights the other doesn't. What is putting pressure on the supremacy of the traditional rule by white men is the decline in numbers of white people. This year more children of color were born than white children. It is a matter of time before white people become less than 50% of the population. We also see a decline in the percentage of people identifying themselves as Christians. That means Christians feel threatened.

White Protestant men are losing their power; and as time goes by, they will lose more. They will lose more elections too.

The question is if people of color will treat white people the way white people treated them. It can happen. It does happen in a few places. I can tell you that there is a district justice close to where I live who is black. Most of the people voting in that district are black. If a white person and a black person appear in his court, he invariably sides with the black. He gets re-elected because enough black voters like that. It should not surprise you or me or anyone else. White people have done the same thing since the founding of the country. We have factions or groups who want more rights for themselves at the expense of other people.

Many Trump supporters seem to fear is the loss of white power and the loss of imposing their religious values on others. They are increasingly finding themselves the minority, thus opposed more and more to the idea of democratic elections. They talk about rising up and overthrowing people who were elected. Who gets to decide if we don't use elections? The KKK? The BLM? Franklin Graham? Paula White? The Pope?

Democracy has its problems, to be sure, since there will be factions lobbying for special rights for themselves; but the alternatives are no better. Rebelling against a democratically elected government almost always leads to a dictator who promises (as Hitler did) the rule of law and order.

BTW, county sheriff's have more power than you might think. Under certain circumstances, they have more power than the President of the United States. Don't underestimate the power of the county sheriff.
You may want to write Trump and tell him this. He seems to think he possesses all authority. The authority of sheriffs is derived and supported by the Tenth Amendment, of course. It does not give them the right to interfere or oppose national, state or local law enforcement when those are being conducted lawfully. Sheriffs do not have the right to rise up and overthrow the government. After all, many sheriffs are elected democratically. We do not want mob rule by saying sheriffs can do whatever voters in their locales want. I wouldn't want a Muslim sheriff elected by Muslims to think he could impose sharia law.

Our local sheriff announced he wouldn't be enforcing some of the regulations issued by the governor over coronavirus. Why did he do that? Well he knew it would be popular in this area (largely Republican) to oppose the Democratic governor. He wants to be re-elected. He's going down the "pure democracy" road. I won't vote him the next time he runs. The state police enforced the rules somewhat -- he really didn't need to in the first place. He was making a pointless political statement. He was in favor of mob rule: "Republicans in my district don't like these regulations, so I won't be enforcing them."

There is a potential threat to the rule of law and order playing out now with how Trump ordered federal agents into Portland. They are in unmarked vans, grabbing people off the streets. Trump said it's to protect monuments and statues. You know what? If the people in Portland want to wreck statues and their government doesn't care, why should I? Why should Trump? Maybe the voters will learn a lesson in Portland and vote the current people out in the next election. If things got bad enough, they could ask Trump for help. Then he'd be right to give them help. The way he's doing it is the way a dictator would. He gets to decide everything -- federal, state and local. And he's breaking the law to do it, kidnapping people for walking down the street too close to a statue. Most aren't being charged with anything. They're just detained for hours against their will.

What is dangerous is that state and local governments are now looking at Trump and the federal government as threats. The federal government can't keep "law and order" in front of the White House. What makes Trump think he can impose "law and order" across the country from the top down? Only a regime like Stalin's or Hitler's can impose "law and order" from the top down.

I am annoyed by Trump's "executive order" about protecting statues and monuments. Do they have rights? Are they living, breathing people? Are they so important that it's worth it to kidnap people off the streets? Trump may say "law and order" but his actions show otherwise.
 

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Today it's often white cops.
When you say this you reveal your bigotry and racism. Those who are not racists, do not ascribe characteristics and behaviors to people according to race. And it is ironic that those who cry the loudest about racism are the racists.

Who gets to decide to remove these people?
I already told you.

What is putting pressure on the supremacy of the traditional rule by white men is the decline in numbers of white people.
Once again, you reveal your racism. If your problem is with white men, then your problem is sin. To classify all while men one way or the other is racism.

Many Trump supporters seem to fear is the loss of white power and the loss of imposing their religious values on others.
There is no such thing as white power. Again, you need to confess your sin and decide that judging people according to their skin color is wrong.

You may want to write Trump and tell him this. He seems to think he possesses all authority. The authority of sheriffs is derived and supported by the Tenth Amendment, of course. It does not give them the right to interfere or oppose national, state or local law enforcement when those are being conducted lawfully.
Not only do you prove yourself to be a racist, you prove yourself to be blind if you think it lawful to allow rioters to run freely through the streets, let prisoners out of prison, and arrest people for defending their homes.

Our local sheriff announced he wouldn't be enforcing some of the regulations issued by the governor over coronavirus. Why did he do that? Well he knew it would be popular in this area (largely Republican) to oppose the Democratic governor.
I think the sheriff understood, as many of us do, that the governor was wrong to issue such orders.

There is a potential threat to the rule of law and order playing out now with how Trump ordered federal agents into Portland.
Apparently you don't understand what has been taking place in Portland. And you are mistaken about the actions of the Federal government who used federal troops to protect government property.

[/quote]They are in unmarked vans, grabbing people off the streets. Trump said it's to protect monuments and statues. You know what? If the people in Portland want to wreck statues and their government doesn't care, why should I?[/quote]If this is your attitude then don't ever talk to me about the rule of law.

Why should Trump? Maybe the voters will learn a lesson in Portland and vote the current people out in the next election.
Or maybe Portand will burn to the ground before the next election. Why are you siding with those who destroy, injure, and kill people? I'm shocked at what you are saying.

I am annoyed by Trump's "executive order" about protecting statues and monuments. Do they have rights? Are they living, breathing people? Are they so important that it's worth it to kidnap people off the streets? Trump may say "law and order" but his actions show otherwise.
Do you not understand anything about justice or righteousness?
 

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When you say this you reveal your bigotry and racism. Those who are not racists, do not ascribe characteristics and behaviors to people according to race. And it is ironic that those who cry the loudest about racism are the racists.
Just because I happen to be white doesn't mean I cannot see how white people have often abused being in the majority. It happens. The group in the majority tends to abuse minorities. We see that in the tribal conflicts in Africa. They're all black. The conflict isn't racial but tribal.


I already told you.
No, you really didn't. You hinted at it maybe but you didn't say it explicitly; and you refuse to state it now when asked.

Once again, you reveal your racism. If your problem is with white men, then your problem is sin. To classify all while men one way or the other is racism.
Accusing me of sin isn't going to cut it. A honest person admits his own flaws and doesn't defend his own group just because he happens to fall in that group. Black people didn't buy white people and make slaves out of them. Facts are facts.

There is no such thing as white power. Again, you need to confess your sin and decide that judging people according to their skin color is wrong.
Tell that to the Trump supporters waving Confederate flags and the Aryan nation people and the people who hold "white power" signs.

Not only do you prove yourself to be a racist, you prove yourself to be blind if you think it lawful to allow rioters to run freely through the streets, let prisoners out of prison, and arrest people for defending their homes.
Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said a thing about arresting people for defending their homes. I did not say I approved of allowing rioters to run freely. I said if the people in Portland elected a government that allows that, it's none of my business. It's theirs. As for letting people out of prisons, it's done all the time. There is a legal system that permits it.

I think the sheriff understood, as many of us do, that the governor was wrong to issue such orders.
So it's okay to rebel against the authority of a governor if we think he made a mistake? You are an anarchist if you believe that; and I doubt you can be a sincere Christians since Paul says we should respect authority.

Apparently you don't understand what has been taking place in Portland. And you are mistaken about the actions of the Federal government who used federal troops to protect government property.
What federal property were they protecting when they cruised the streets yanking people into unmarked vans without probable cause?

Or maybe Portand will burn to the ground before the next election. Why are you siding with those who destroy, injure, and kill people? I'm shocked at what you are saying.

Do you not understand anything about justice or righteousness?
The people of Portland will have to decide what kind of government they want. I have no wish to impose what I believe on them. If people elect bad leaders, they are getting what they deserve. Haven't you read about what God told Samuel when Israel wanted a king? God said to go ahead, let them have a king even if it wasn't good for them. God was not siding with the evils He knew kings would do. Nor am I siding with the Portland government. They elected their government. It's their business, not mine or yours. If God said bad people can have bad government, who are you or I to disagree?

I happen to dislike Trump; but he was elected. So far as I am concerned, America is getting what it asked for. I'm not advocating the overthrow of Trump because I don't like him. He was lawfully elected, so it's my duty to accept that. Trump is the worst President I can remember; and if the country falls apart, it's because people elected him. People need to change.

He said he'd make America great again. Has he? Or are things worse than before? I think enough people will say worse. That's why he's so far behind in the polls now. People can learn from their mistakes, and I think people are ready to vote Trump out. There's no need for a revolution or taking up arms.
 
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Just because I happen to be white doesn't mean I cannot see how white people have often abused being in the majority. It happens. The group in the majority tends to abuse minorities. We see that in the tribal conflicts in Africa. They're all black. The conflict isn't racial but tribal.
You totally missed the point. Saying that white cops are bad is to classify people according to their race. This is evil and sinful and you should know better.

Black people didn't buy white people and make slaves out of them. Facts are facts.
You talked about "white rule", which is focused on skin color.

Tell that to the Trump supporters waving Confederate flags and the Aryan nation people and the people who hold "white power" signs.
You don't seem to see your own racism. To say that all Trump supports wave Confederate flags and the rest is just another attempt to classify and divide people, not focused at all on individual responsibility.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said a thing about arresting people for defending their homes. I did not say I approved of allowing rioters to run freely. I said if the people in Portland elected a government that allows that, it's none of my business.
Are you really so naive to think that people vote for riots and destruction of property? Government has no reason to exist unless it punishes evil and rewards the good.

As for letting people out of prisons, it's done all the time. There is a legal system that permits it.
Am I talking to someone who is living in a bubble? Do you not actually know what is happening?

So it's okay to rebel against the authority of a governor if we think he made a mistake?
Mistake? Surely you are not aware of what is happening or you wouldn't say such ridiculous things. Do not know that Antifa will not allow peaceful protests to take place. Whenever there is a peaceful protest, a march or a rally, Antifa shows up wearing masks, they strike people over the head with rocks and bricks. They yell and scream in people's faces and if anyone objects, they gang up on the person, beating that individual so badly the person ends up in the hospital. And what is the police doing at the moment. Nothing at all. Why? Because the mayor has ordered a stand-down. The police just stand by and watch innocent people suffer great injury and possible death. These people will stop traffic and pull the driver out of the car and beat them up. They will throw frozen water bottles at people. Your ignorance just pisses me off.

Yes, I say that if the mayor commands the police to stand by watching criminal injury and threats to life and property take place, someone should arrest the mayor and throw him or her in jail. Either the chief of police, or the local county sheriff should remove that evil fool from office and the same goes for any other leader who refuses to act to protect life and property.

You are an anarchist if you believe that; and I doubt you can be a sincere Christians since Paul says we should respect authority.
Paul said that the role of government is to be a minister of God, punishing evil and rewarding the good. But any government authority who will not act as God's minister, electing to allow destructive mobs to destroy property and endanger the lives and livelihoods of those under their watch, must be removed immediately without hesitation. Those who do not act are just as guilty.

What federal property were they protecting when they cruised the streets yanking people into unmarked vans without probable cause?
You really have no idea or are you just acting stupid?

The people of Portland will have to decide what kind of government they want.
BS. They already have a government and a constitution and those who swore to protect both. If they refuse to remember their oath, they should forcibly and swiftly be removed.
 

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You totally missed the point. Saying that white cops are bad is to classify people according to their race. This is evil and sinful and you should know better.
I did not say all white cops are bad, now did I?

You talked about "white rule", which is focused on skin color.
And that is what people had when this country was founded; and it's still what some people want.

You don't seem to see your own racism. To say that all Trump supports wave Confederate flags and the rest is just another attempt to classify and divide people, not focused at all on individual responsibility.
Did I say "all" Trump supporters wave Confederate flags. You know I did not.

Are you really so naive to think that people vote for riots and destruction of property? Government has no reason to exist unless it punishes evil and rewards the good.
No, they don't knowingly vote for riots; but sometimes they elect people who abuse the justice system which can lead to riots.

Mistake? Surely you are not aware of what is happening or you wouldn't say such ridiculous things. Do not know that Antifa will not allow peaceful protests to take place. Whenever there is a peaceful protest, a march or a rally, Antifa shows up wearing masks, they strike people over the head with rocks and bricks. They yell and scream in people's faces and if anyone objects, they gang up on the person, beating that individual so badly the person ends up in the hospital. And what is the police doing at the moment. Nothing at all. Why? Because the mayor has ordered a stand-down. The police just stand by and watch innocent people suffer great injury and possible death. These people will stop traffic and pull the driver out of the car and beat them up. They will throw frozen water bottles at people. Your ignorance just pisses me off.
How many Antifa people has the FBI or any other police force arrested?

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

Violence exploded across the country in the days since his death, but the FBI's Washington Field Office reported "no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement," according to an internal FBI memo obtained exclusively by The Nation, a progressive U.S. weekly magazine.

The FBI has begun issuing the reports daily since the weekend, The Nation reported, but no evidence or developments have surfaced yet that implicates the group for any violence or mayhem.


There are bad people out there doing bad things; and while I personally don't like Antifa, that doesn't mean I'm going to blame them for everything.

Yes, I say that if the mayor commands the police to stand by watching criminal injury and threats to life and property take place, someone should arrest the mayor and throw him or her in jail. Either the chief of police, or the local county sheriff should remove that evil fool from office and the same goes for any other leader who refuses to act to protect life and property.

Paul said that the role of government is to be a minister of God, punishing evil and rewarding the good. But any government authority who will not act as God's minister, electing to allow destructive mobs to destroy property and endanger the lives and livelihoods of those under their watch, must be removed immediately without hesitation. Those who do not act are just as guilty.

You really have no idea or are you just acting stupid?

BS. They already have a government and a constitution and those who swore to protect both. If they refuse to remember their oath, they should forcibly and swiftly be removed.
I guess you believe you have the final say-so. You get to decide who's violated their oaths and when they should be removed by force. You sound as if you'd like to be a dictator yourself. I wonder if the FBI is watching you. Maybe it should be.

By your way of thinking, Jesus should have fought with swords when arrested and falsely charged.
 
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I did not say all white cops are bad, now did I?
Yes, you did.

You said, "That is the reason people have been protesting. First it was white slaveowners beating slaves. Then it was the Jim Crow era and lynchings. Today it's often white cops."

Right there you painted all white cops with the same brush. You painted all white people as slave owners. You painted all white people as those who commit lynchings. Those who are protesting, are concerned with police brutality, specifically white police officers who injure or kill black men. The protesters, like you, see the color of the skin, forming a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience but solely on the color of the skin. The following comes from a Wikipedia article on the subject of George Floyd.

On May 25, 2020, George Floyd, a 46-year-old black American man, was killed in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during an arrest for allegedly using a counterfeit bill.

Do you see what is wrong with that statement? George Floyd is an individual, made in the image of God, the fact that he is black is incidental and not important. And yet, Wikipedia thought it important to mention his skin color. This statement sets up the false narrative that a black man was murdered by four white men. This is false because it removes all personal responsibility, sovereignty, and free will, replacing it with deterministic categories. According to that narrative, the personhood of George Floyd is incidental and beside the point. George Floyd is killed twice, first by his murderers, and then again, by those who created the false narrative, which says that white police officers are killing innocent black men at random and the numbers of the dead are growing.

None of that is true, but the facts don't matter. But even those who keep track of such things, i.e. how many black men are killed by white police officers are searching for patterns of behavior based on racial prejudice. But even here, there is agreement with the tacit narrative that what matters is the color of the skin and not individual people acting according to personal preferences and values. As it turns out, more black men are shot dead by black police officers than white police officers according to those who keep track of such things.

The protests began before a trial was held. How can that be? The protesters were not concerned with the facts of the matter. They are all guilty of the sin of prejudice. These people cared nothing for George as a person, only that he fit the narrative: white cop kills black man. Not only does this narrative kill George, it kills the police officers also. The maddening crowd didn't wait to judge the police officer as an individual acting according to his own motives and values. There is no need for that. The crowd simply assigns motive and values to them, which fit the narrative. Facts don't matter. All white cops are suspect. All black men are innocent. Sadly, we may never know the actual story and the actual facts of the matter. There remain many questions about this particular case, that may never come out.

Did I say "all" Trump supporters wave Confederate flags. You know I did not.
Yes, you did. Apparently you do it without realizing it. Some people see individuals and hold individuals personally responsible for their actions; while others see only groups. Unfortunately you only see groups: whites, blacks, trump supporters etc.

No, they don't knowingly vote for riots; but sometimes they elect people who abuse the justice system which can lead to riots.
You are misinformed. The riots are NOT a reaction to local conditions. These are paid actors, working for the global syndicate as the militant strong arm of the Democratic party. Antifa is working for these leaders. Antifa is working for the mayors and the governors, not against them.

How many Antifa people has the FBI or any other police force arrested?
Some have been arrested. We don't know the numbers because arrests are still taking place. Wisdom dictates that public announcements of persons involved be kept secret until enforcement operations are completed so as to avoid tipping off co-conspirators.

By the way, I will not read any of your articles. Sorry. Your sources are propaganda.

I guess you believe you have the final say-so. You get to decide who's violated their oaths and when they should be removed by force. You sound as if you'd like to be a dictator yourself. I wonder if the FBI is watching you. Maybe it should be.
If I had the means and the power to act I would. The sheriff has deputies and is able to deputize others if needed. Moral action requires moral courage.

I don't believe you when you say that you can't see who hasn't violated their oath. I can't believe you are that unaware of what is going on. Do you have any discernment?
 

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Yes, you did.

You said, "That is the reason people have been protesting. First it was white slaveowners beating slaves. Then it was the Jim Crow era and lynchings. Today it's often white cops."

Right there you painted all white cops with the same brush. You painted all white people as slave owners. You painted all white people as those who commit lynchings. Those who are protesting, are concerned with police brutality, specifically white police officers who injure or kill black men. The protesters, like you, see the color of the skin, forming a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience but solely on the color of the skin. The following comes from a Wikipedia article on the subject of George Floyd.

On May 25, 2020, George Floyd, a 46-year-old black American man, was killed in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during an arrest for allegedly using a counterfeit bill.

Do you see what is wrong with that statement? George Floyd is an individual, made in the image of God, the fact that he is black is incidental and not important. And yet, Wikipedia thought it important to mention his skin color. This statement sets up the false narrative that a black man was murdered by four white men. This is false because it removes all personal responsibility, sovereignty, and free will, replacing it with deterministic categories. According to that narrative, the personhood of George Floyd is incidental and beside the point. George Floyd is killed twice, first by his murderers, and then again, by those who created the false narrative, which says that white police officers are killing innocent black men at random and the numbers of the dead are growing.

None of that is true, but the facts don't matter. But even those who keep track of such things, i.e. how many black men are killed by white police officers are searching for patterns of behavior based on racial prejudice. But even here, there is agreement with the tacit narrative that what matters is the color of the skin and not individual people acting according to personal preferences and values. As it turns out, more black men are shot dead by black police officers than white police officers according to those who keep track of such things.

The protests began before a trial was held. How can that be? The protesters were not concerned with the facts of the matter. They are all guilty of the sin of prejudice. These people cared nothing for George as a person, only that he fit the narrative: white cop kills black man. Not only does this narrative kill George, it kills the police officers also. The maddening crowd didn't wait to judge the police officer as an individual acting according to his own motives and values. There is no need for that. The crowd simply assigns motive and values to them, which fit the narrative. Facts don't matter. All white cops are suspect. All black men are innocent. Sadly, we may never know the actual story and the actual facts of the matter. There remain many questions about this particular case, that may never come out.

Yes, you did. Apparently you do it without realizing it. Some people see individuals and hold individuals personally responsible for their actions; while others see only groups. Unfortunately you only see groups: whites, blacks, trump supporters etc.

You are misinformed. The riots are NOT a reaction to local conditions. These are paid actors, working for the global syndicate as the militant strong arm of the Democratic party. Antifa is working for these leaders. Antifa is working for the mayors and the governors, not against them.

Some have been arrested. We don't know the numbers because arrests are still taking place. Wisdom dictates that public announcements of persons involved be kept secret until enforcement operations are completed so as to avoid tipping off co-conspirators.

By the way, I will not read any of your articles. Sorry. Your sources are propaganda.

If I had the means and the power to act I would. The sheriff has deputies and is able to deputize others if needed. Moral action requires moral courage.

I don't believe you when you say that you can't see who hasn't violated their oath. I can't believe you are that unaware of what is going on. Do you have any discernment?
You say you will not read any of the articles I post -- and then you said I lived in a bubble? I think you're in an alternate universe with a closed mind. Why bother trying to talk with you?
 

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You say you will not read any of the articles I post -- and then you said I lived in a bubble? I think you're in an alternate universe with a closed mind. Why bother trying to talk with you?
My mind is closed to the press, which is corrupted and useless. I can't convince you of this. You need to witness this for yourself. You need to find an alternate source for information, but you better hurry. Free speech is under attack, and the global syndicate may shut down twitter, facebook, and youtube and instagram sometime before the election.

p.s. this is not speculation.
 

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World Government and the Mark of the Beast, dead ahead! NOTHING can stop it.

Revelation 13
7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
Revelation 13
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Anyone else notice they are doing away with cash? Now they have come up with a bogus coin shortage. It's happening! This is the terminal generation.

Luke 21:32
32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.
 

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My mind is closed to the press, which is corrupted and useless. I can't convince you of this. You need to witness this for yourself. You need to find an alternate source for information, but you better hurry. Free speech is under attack, and the global syndicate may shut down twitter, facebook, and youtube and instagram sometime before the election.

p.s. this is not speculation.
You were not in Minneapolis when Floyd was killed. You have not been in Portland and seen things for yourself. And you do not "know" about some "global syndicate" that may shut down Twitter, Facebook, etc. You have not "witnessed" this "global syndicate" for youself.

You got to be kidding. I think you need to take your own advice -- and find different sources for information.
 

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You were not in Minneapolis when Floyd was killed. You have not been in Portland and seen things for yourself. And you do not "know" about some "global syndicate" that may shut down Twitter, Facebook, etc. You have not "witnessed" this "global syndicate" for youself.
I was not in Minneapolis when Floyd was killed. This changes nothing about what I said though. If all you see is white men killing a black man, then you are looking through distorted lenses, judging these men by the least significant aspect of being human.
Satan and his servants dehumanize men in this way and such dehumanization is unworthy of a child of God.

I was in Portland and I have witnessed Antifa. And yes, I have witnessed the global syndicate myself.

You got to be kidding. I think you need to take your own advice -- and find different sources for information.
I am not kidding. But I can't prove that the press is lying to you. All I can do is warn you about this and see if you might spot it yourself. Once you see it, you will never "unsee" it.
 

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One more thing. The Atlantic article is now incorrect. Antifa has been designated as a terrorist group. Most people don't realize the implications of this designation. Anyone caught acting as a terrorist in our country, falls under the Patriot act. Such a person can be arrested and imprisoned without trial. They are immediately sent to Gitmo.

You saw people being scooped up off the street and dragged into vans? You will never see these people again. They will never see the light of day. They will never see their parents again. They will never see a lawyer.
 

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Happens daily. Also as written: "we are all like sheep led daily to slaughter" ....

Yes, other countries more known about... but can and does happen anywhere, daily....