The Calling of the 144,000

What do you think spiritual is?
A ghost?
A spirit without substance?


What is real is the spiritual. The caranl, the flesh is what is temporary. The spiritual is eternal.

You speak of advent, Advent, rapture, second coming are all religious words nad not found in God’s Word. How can you even begin to understand the return of the Lord if your reference termaology is based on man’s religoin and not God’s Word. There are many returns of the Lord but second coming or advent are not one of them.

And so how is He returning as well as when? I do not see a rapture, second coming or advent in the list below?

Mt 24:27 Light or lighting
Rev. 16:15 thief
Matt. 25:6 bridegroom
Rev 22:16/2:28 morning star
Mal 4:2 sun of righteousness
Phip 3:20,21 resurrection power
II Thes. 1 7-8 flaming fire
Mal 3 1-3 priesthood company, fuller soap, refining fire
1 Thes 4:16-17 air
Hos. 6:3/James 5:7-8 rain
Rev 19:11-14 on white horse
Ma 25:31-34 king
1 Peter 5:4 Chief Sheppard
Ma 16:27 Comes with angels
Jude 14:/1 John 14:18/II Thes 1:10 comes with saints
Jude 14:15 Judgment
Rev 22:12 with reward

guysmith said:

Good morning benoni,

Do you see a literal second coming of Christ, or are the scriptures about Christ advent just a spiritual application?

In Yehoshua,
Guy

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guysmith said:

Christ, in parable form, stated that at the time of His advent, "two would be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left." In other words half of a group are taken and the other half are left.

Matthew 24: 37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Another of Christ's parables (the parable of the ten virgins) states that, 'at Christ's advent' half or five of the ten virgins are excluded from entering the wedding ceremony and the the other half or five are welcome in.

Matthew 25
1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


These two parables are confirmed by Zechariah which states that: at Christ's advent, half of those in Jerusalem's seige are taken, with the other half being left.

Zechariah 14: 2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

It is Jerusalem that has been designated a place-of-safety where God will protect and feed, for the duration of the GT, those He has "called."

This is the calling of the 144,000.

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith

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The parable of the tares is about the gathering of the tares first ...We are to stay workinging in the field (world)

30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn

Pretty vague. Take the wheat and chaff. You assume the tares is the world?

lets look a the word chaff while we are at it.

FARMING...

Do you know anything about farming? Today we have these Hugh combines that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and their job is to separate the wheat from the chaff. Did you know the land that purchased to build temple of God would stand on was a threshing floor. The chaff gets burnt too.

Chaff in Bible days was not an easy process to separate; but the point I really want to make is the wheat is always hidden under the green chaff when it is growing; (our spirit is hidden under our body of flesh/ our carnal reasoning and mind).

In fact chaff and the wheat are not even interchangeable until the wheat has reached maturity. God’s Word is our bread, which is made from wheat; which was part of the chaff in its immaturity. The wheat had to be gathered, winnowed and crushed; then mixed with oil (anointing) and water and then placed in an oven to be baked; later the bread was broken; symbolism.

The very bread millions break in communion and wonder why?

Christina said:

The parable of the tares is about the gathering of the tares first ...We are to stay workinging in the field (world)

30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn

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You are mistaken I didnt say the tares are the World I said the field is the world
and I was repeating what God says they are not my words but his
I didnt think it was vauge to Guy who is whom I was replying to ....as I know he knows the parable if its vague to you Im sorry. ...
Thanks, yes I understand the farming symbolism and the parable.

Guy
If you can indulge me here for a minute and put all your preconceived ideas aside for a minute and listen to the Words

Revelation 7

1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

These four angels have the power to hurt the earth
Notice the first 4 trumps hurt the earth
This is just before the trumpets start to blow, (Chapter8) The blowing of the trumpets starts the action, These four Angels have power to hurt the earth.
but what does God say to them


But wait Now the angels are told to wait

3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

These are the Elect that are sealed, they will be Gods army here on earth during the tribulation. Remember Satan can only hurt those without the seal of God ..This is a very important chapter to understand ...It does several things ..
One it disproves Calvinism
second tells you its the whole house of Israel we are talking about ..remember Israel didn't exist as a nation for some 1900 years the ten lost tribes became Christians ... Whenever you see all 12 tribes in the new testament it is both Christians and Jews not one or the other .... Jews statred Christianity and spread it around Europe
thirdly we are talking 144,000 around the World on the entire earth (not in Jerusalem )
lastly do not listen to those who say the book is not literal ... It is literal but as with most all literal things it has a spiritual meaning
we are not to chose one or the other but put the two together for 360 degree view to understand the actual event and the spiritual reason for it ....

Now follow the Word here: the four Angels who have power to hurt the earth (first four trumps) are called but they are told to wait
until the Elect 144,000 of all the tribes (Christian and Jew) are sealed
then we see them being sealed in the next verses

Then what happens?? in this verse we change times we are seeing now what occurs after the tribulation after the 144,000 were sealed

9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

AFTER WHAT ? These are the rest that overcame the great tribulation now they are also wearing the white Robes of Saint hood because they overcame but this is after the tribulation ... The 144,000 are before the the tribulation before the four Angels are loosed they are told to wait/pause ....until this is done ...

13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

These are all the others that overcome until the End ... The 144,000 are sealed before the tribulation the rest are sealed after they overcome the tribulation

The next chapter starts these four trumps upon the earth
I just did a study on this if you want to read it
http://biblestudy.bb3host.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1185

guysmith said:

Hello Christina,

You stated: If you can indulge me here for a minute and put all your preconceived ideas aside for a minute and listen to the Words

My response: I would ask that you do the same for me. I agree with most of what you say, however, I do not agree with everything. Please understand that I am not trying to undermine your faith, just sharing and I am doing the best I can to explain this.

You stated: thirdly we are talking 144,000 around the World on the entire earth (not in Jerusalem )

My response: The idea that the 144K are world wide evangelizing Jews is rooted deep in the pre-trib belief. As you know, pre-tribbers believe that after the rapture, 144K Jew will convert to Christianity based on the missing rapturies. The prebies are wrong about the rapture and probably wrong about the role of the 144K in Bible prophecy.

You stated: Now follow the Word here: the four Angels who have power to hurt the earth (first four trumps) are called but they are told to wait
until the Elect 144,000 of all the tribes (Christian and Jew) are sealed
then we see them being sealed in the next verses

Then what happens?? in this verse we change times we are seeing now what occurs after the tribulation after the 144,000 were sealed

9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

AFTER WHAT ? These are the rest that overcame the great tribulation now they are also wearing the white Robes of Saint hood because they overcame but this is after the tribulation ... The 144,000 are before the the tribulation before the four Angels are loosed they are told to wait/pause ....until this is done ...

13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

These are all the others that overcome until the End ... The 144,000 are sealed before the tribulation the rest are sealed after they overcome the tribulation

My response: There is a hole in your position. The 144k are sealed as a means of protection from the affects of the 5th trumpet plague. This plague is designed to affect all mankind except the 144K. If Revelation is literal as you say, (and I agree that it is) and if the great multitude were still on earth at the time of the 5th trumpet, then they would also be affected by this plague that is designed to affect the rest of mankind. And since it is promised that no Christian will suffer God’s wrath/plagues, them I must conclude that the multitude is a description of the tribulation saint that will be in the first resurrection.

If you have another explanation for how the multitude is to withstand the 5th trumpet plague, I am all ears. I would like to continue that line of conversation, but I need to know (based of the 5th trumpet plague affecting all mankind except the 144K) if you still think that the great multitude will also escape being martyred during the GT and be alive at Christ advent.

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith

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You have two miscnceptions Where do you think the ten lost ribes went where do you think Christians play into this ? why would the Jews be the Elect? It doesnt even make sense do you not understand the Jews are to preserve the Law the O.Testament they are under a slumber by God ... They are called by the Largest tribe Judah .... The other ten tribes are called Israel (Christians ) seach the text find how many times the term Judah and Israel are used together they are seprate sticks of one branch they will not be rejoined till God rejoins them Read Eze. 37:19-23 this has not happened yet ..You will never understand till you learn who is whom.....

Now yes you are right the 144,000 are sealed from the 5th trumpet plague but they are sealed before the first trump blows the first four trumpets are on the earth .... the 5th and 6th on souls of men ...the seventh is Gods wrath on Satan and his second coming
Thats why the angels are told to wait....

Now who is protected from the 5th trump (as well as the others) the Elect the 144,000

Rev9. 4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. If you notice Satan and his locusts can not hurt the earth nor those sealed by God only those not sealed .....

The mutitude after the tribulation that become saints are those who followed the 144,000 Elect and the two wittness and not the fake Christ .... Follow the scripture there is an order to Rev. Chapter seven happens just before chapter 8 starts.
a great source for learning who is whom
http://reluctant-messenger.com/judahs_sceptre_105.htm

Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part ...I assume you know the seal of God is his truth fixed in your mind.heart
Not only just beliving but knowing what is to come so that we do not follow antichrist.

Now only the Elect w/the overcomers reign and rule with Christ ..
Why are they overcomers ? because they do not follow antichrist ..... Now look at the verse's again who are we talking about
After the tribulation ?

9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

This is the great mulitude that overcame the tribulation

1Jo 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.


13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Robes mean Saint hood

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

These are the frst ressurected the overcomers that do not take the mark of the beast .... they are every nation every language

Do you not rember the promise to Abraham ? that he would become the father of many Nations
not a single nation ....
the 12 tribes are always representive of the entire church body ..Jew Christian/ gentile the new testament is not about the law as given to the Jews but Grace as opened to all

The Elect are 144.000 chosen from Jew and Christian all will come under Christ there is only one way to salvation Jesus Christ

It is these Elect with two wittness that will lead the overcomers through the tribulation ...Now if antichrist is coming pretending to be Christ ...
What good would 144,000 Jews do ?? as they do not yet even know Christ how could they lead the rest to overcome ?

The 144,000 are those who are the predestined to be the Elect ... The multitude are all those who chose not to follow antchrist and overcame and are made saints also

guysmith said:

Hello Christina,

I am sorry that I do not agree with every issur, however I do agree with most of your premise. For example:

You stated: Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

These are the frst ressurected the overcomers that do not take the mark of the beast .... they are every nation every language.....

The 144,000 are those who are the predestined to be the Elect ... The multitude are all those who chose not to follow antchrist and overcame and are made saints also

My response: I agree with this.

My experience is that no two Christians see eye-to-eye on every issue. Does that mean we aren't brothers and sisters in Christ? No, it only means that we are different parts of the body of Christ, with different responsibilities. And one of your reponsibilities is that of forum monitor which I do not envy. I do however pray and will continue to keep you in my prayers.

In Yehoshua,
Guy

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Guy
I dont know why you under the impression I was arguing with you ? I was simply sharing what I have learned. So you could take what you understand and add it to your own thoughts ... I thought we were just having a conversation
My only goal is to work together understand Gods Word here ....
Im not really concerned with ones belief one way or the other
Just showing you what other things scripture is saying what you do with the information is up to you. I would think that should be everyones goal to better understand the Word.
Whether or not it cause's us to readjust our current thinking or confirms our current thinking should not matter. The goal of the Christian is to understand Gods Word not hang on to our beliefs, if we see they need clarifying or readjustment.
Studying Gods Word is a process we grow as learn.Precept upon precept
When we stop growing stop learning, in an effort to not change some beleif we have
gathered along the way . We cut off wisdom. We are no longer growing.

This is not what scripture declares, there are two types of people in the Book of Revelation. Those who overcame and those who do not. All of us have the mark of the beast, it is our beastly nature, what we need do is get rid of it.

Who are the elect? The Overcomers. There are two types of people in the Book of Revelation; the Overcomer and everyone else.

Just because you are heir to salvation does not make you the elect.

Notice there is a distinction between the great multitudes BEFORE the throne which are not overcomers (Rev. 7:9) in comparison to the overcomer who Christ will grant to sit with me on my throne (Rev. 3:21) .

Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

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guysmith said:

Hello Christina,


You stated: Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

These are the frst ressurected the overcomers that do not take the mark of the beast .... they are every nation every language.....

The 144,000 are those who are the predestined to be the Elect ... The multitude are all those who chose not to follow antchrist and overcame and are made saints also


In Yehoshua,
Guy

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Who are these 144,000 that become Kings and Priests?
Well...let's go back to the scriptures to see who these
mask men and women are.

So let's start out with Mathew 7:2,

2 For in the way you judge you will be judged; and
by your standard of measure, it will be measured
to you.

All of this is by the law of equal weights and measures
found in Deut. 25:13-16. God will not judge mankind by
double standards, and this also means that He will be
merciful to the merciful and will hold men accountable
according to their own standard by which they measured
the weight of sin in others.

Our High Priest is also the Judge of the whole earth. The
Levitical priests were called to be the judges in Israel.
However, because the priests of that order violated their
trust and ruled by their own views of the law instead of by
the mind of Christ, they were replaced by another order
of priest called the Order of Melchizedek.

David was the High Priest of David's tabernacle, where
the Ark of the Covenant stood in the tent next to David's
house in Jerusalem. He prefigured Jesus, David's
greater Son, who was to come as High Priest of that
same Order under the New Covenant. Going back even
earlier, we can see that Moses himself was the high
priest of Melchizedek in his day, even while his brother
Aaron was high priest of the other order. For this reason,
Moses was able to go into the tabernacle and talk with
God face to face, interceding for the people. David later
followed Moses' pattern. It shows that there were two
orders of priest functioning at the same time, though
the Aaronic priesthood was the most visible during
those days. Hebrews 5:7-10,

7 In the days of his flesh, He offered up both prayers
and supplications with loud crying and tears to the
One able to save Him from death, and He was heard
because of His piety. 8 Although He was a Son, He
learned obedience from the things which He suffered.
9 And having been made perfect, He became to all
those who obey Him the source of aionian salvation,
10 being designated by God as a high priest according
to the order of Melchizedek.

Maturity is necessary in order to qualify as a high priest.
Maturity requires not merely age, but also experience.
Under the Old Covenant, it was sufficient if the high
priest was thirty years of age. But the requirement was
higher under the New Covenant. The high priest of the
Order of Melchizedek had to be experienced and
“perfected” (matured) by the things which he suffered.
In other words, he had to be disciplined, humbled, and
seasoned by God in order to have that right balance of
justice and mercy.

If we look at the pattern in the tabernacle of Moses, we
note that citizens were allowed to enter the outer court
of the tabernacle. Only priests could enter the Holy Place.
Only the High Priest could enter the Most Holy Place. The
outer court, with its bronze altar of sacrifice, represents
the place of justification by the blood of sacrifice, along
with the laver of baptism. In terms of the feast days, the
outer court represents Passover.

The Holy Place represents Pentecost in our progressive
experience with God. Protestantism, as established a few
centuries ago, taught the doctrine of “the priesthood of the
believer” in order to show that all believers are priests,
and not merely a professional class of seminary graduates
ordained by Rome. But the Protestant teaching also needs
some alteration, for a simple believer is a citizen of the
Kingdom, not necessarily a priest.

A few centuries ago, the Protestants did not yet understand
the feast of Pentecost. This revelation came around the
year 1900 A.D. It is now apparent that Pentecost is what
qualifies a believer to go beyond citizenship into the area
of priesthood. This gives him access to the Holy Place.

Yet keep in mind that Pentecost is more than a single
spiritual experience. It is an entrance into the baptism
of fire, by which God begins to train a citizen in hearing
God's voice and in the deeper revelation of the Word.
Pentecost is the place of discipline and learning
obedience by the things which we suffer. Pentecost goes
beyond mere justification by faith alone. Justification is
granted by faith apart from works, while Pentecost teaches
us obedience and writes the law upon our hearts.

To become part of the body of the High Priest, one must
become mature through the discipline of Pentecost, even
as Jesus became mature by the things which He suffered.
The reward for such maturity is that a person qualifies as
“he who overcomes” in the message to the Seven
Churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Hebrews 5:9 says,

9 And having been made perfect [teleioo, “complete,
finished, mature”], He became to all those who obey
Him the source of aionian salvation.

If Jesus Himself had to walk in obedience in order to be
brought to full maturity, then how can we do otherwise?
Those who follow His footsteps, who submit to the
disciplines of God in Pentecost, are those who will qualify
for “aionian salvation.” In other words, they will receive
life/immortality in the first resurrection (Rev. 20:4-6) and
will “reign with Him a thousand years.”

This is called “The Age” in early Jewish literature, and it
was equated with the seventh millennium, the great
Sabbath Day, for a day was as a thousand years
(2 Peter 3:8). The idea of “The Age” has largely been lost
because the word aionian has been mistranslated to
mean “eternal” or “everlasting” or “forever.” In fact, the
word means “an eon, or an age.” It is a limited period
of time, though often indefinite in its duration.

The point of this, however, is to show that those who follow
the pattern of our High Priest, submitting to the discipline of
Pentecost to bring them into the full maturity of the priesthood,
are given aionian salvation, life in “The Age.” They receive
immortal bodies in the first resurrection before others, in
order that they may form the body of the High Priest and
qualify to rule in a perfect administration during The Age to
come.

Logabe

guysmith said:

Good morning Christina,

I am glad to hear this. Please try to understand my position.

I believe that Bible prophecy has been designed (by God) as a parable, a word puzzle not meant for all Christians to understand. You can see the proof in that by the countless number of different interpretations of Bible prophecy. (This is not to say that if you don't understand Bible prophecy you aren't saved.)

You stated: thirdly we are talking 144,000 around the World on the entire earth (not in Jerusalem )

My response: Let's say you are correct in this assessment. Then the survivors will be world wide including Jerusalem. (And as you probably have already picked up, I am planning to be in Jerusalem.) Now, let's assume that my assessment is correct,,,,,

Just sharing,
Guy

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Well I agree it like a puzzle a parable however you missing a few important points ..

One.. a parable by God definition was only to keep those who would hear and not understand from knowing them that is because the wisdom has to come from God not ones life experiences

second... the name of the Book is revelation meaning to unveil ..that is reveal

thirdly ...God intended us to understand it but in the right time, the right generation all the confusion is because people have tried to interpret it for some 1000 plus years but God veiled it to them ... most people don't get this so they either believe old interpretations or mix old with new ect ect
hear Gods words here

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased

Daniel is the O.T. layover of revelation and God in Revelation ties the two together
It wasn't till this end time generation and knowledge was increased that we would come to understand it because God sealed it. However It is now unsealed but we must get over the old interpretations. that not applicable

Lastly I as said agree its a puzzle there fore one must have some knowledge of the Entire book on more than one level to put the pieces together ...

Now I'm not saying me or any man knows it all but I have spent as long studying scripture as you did being a fireman. So I often know when I see when a puzzle piece is in the wrong place. Usually because one has missed a few verse's that are needed to place it in the right place. God says he has foretold us all things ...Why does he say this if we are not supposed to know them ? If he didnt intend us to to know it he wouldn't have written it ...

The OT is the New Test. concealed the New test. is the Old revealed there is not much in the New Test. that isn't in the Old in some form or type ...

Now if you want to go to Jerusalem fine by me ...but seems you limit God You state, I say, 144,000 around the World on the entire earth (not in Jerusalem )
No it isnt I who state this it is God who states it. But first you must stop thinking as flesh because you will not be flesh .. Flesh can not inherit the kingdom of God which is coming here to earth

When Christ arrives we are all changed into our incorruptible spirit bodies there is no flesh left upon the earth God gathers us all from the four corners of the earth it is written


50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit in corruption.

51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

This what is meant by the second death all will be changed to these new bodies
the over-comers and Elect have overcome to the end they are not subject to a second death with is the death of the soul only God can kill a soul.
So who is this that is not of the first resurrected? they are all those through the ages that never had a chance to hear Gods word
or perhaps were good at heart people but they never accepted Christ ...These must be tested again after the 1000 years

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison

This is the reason Satan is loosed again to test those who didn't have a chance to overcome ..God is always fair

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

He gathers them from the earth (not Jerusalem) and brings then to the mount at this point in time we not in our flesh bodies
Christ has already return and as in the verse's above in 1 Cor 15: we are already changed

God is the God of the entire World not just Jerusalem
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:

Now read for yourself where he gathers them from

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and [b]they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. [/b]

So it is not I that say this it is God himself that tells you this ...you are simply not seeing all the piecies

Benoni said:

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Notice there is a distinction between the great multitudes BEFORE the throne which are not overcomers (Rev. 7:9) in comparison to the overcomer who Christ will grant to sit with me on my throne (Rev. 3:21) .

Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

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Every time I come into this forum I am amazed that you and your foolishness are still here. Management must have changed there standards. The "great multitude" are "standing before the Throne," IN HEAVEN! Ane they are wearing "white robes" washed in the blood of the Lamb. Why would you say they are not overcomers? You need to learn to "rightly divide."