You can't even answer the question, will all who can't be baptized burn in Hell?
Salvation Through Baptism ???
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It might be better to say it is accompanied by righteousness (Jesus' righteousness?) , as God Desires and Permits and Accomplishes,
God's Works, including destroying the works of the enemy.
We cannot 'do' anything of ourselves any more than Jesus did anything of Himself,
and certainly we cannot produce righteousness that God gives us, right ?
Or "He Himself IS Working in and through us". as He fully accomplished His Purpose in Jesus also, so also HE desires to do so in us.
Lu 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
One cannot please God while rejecting His commands.(Jn 12:48)
The passage identifies them as disciples though they had not yet been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and not received the Holy Spirit. They were however been water baptized into John's baptism of repentance.
Again, let me remind you, there is no such thing as a gospel of baptism anywhere in scriptures. Besides, what Paul taught them in words is this "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.", and in works, the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, the laying on of hands and the receiving of the Holy Spirit.
When Paul said “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”, we can understand by that, that the receiving of the Holy Spirit is connected with believing and that it happens at the time when one believes.
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Marymog
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Well make up your mind. Is it mandatory or not. Don't you even know what you believe?
Here's the question again: Will all who can't be baptized go to Hell?
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Again and again and again....I have answered your question. The problem is with your reading comprehension.
What Christ and the Apostles said is mandatory. Whether you go to heaven or hell is up to Christ.
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And what more ways other than those, that you'll say can save a person? Perhaps, keep all the commandments? Confessed with mouth? Call on the name of the Lord?
As for me, all things considered, it boils down to this: through faith. For this is what scriptures teach and which I believe, that it is God who saves, and that He saves through faith, even from yesterday, and today. It was how people were saved then, such as was with Abraham, and is how people are saved today. Salvation is God's work and working, not man's. See if you'll learn something from this passage:
Matthew 19: 16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” 17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to Him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. 23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
With men salvation is impossible. Salvation is only possible with God. Understand then that it is God who saves and is not oneself. Understand then that if ever you are saved, it is not because of what you have done or of your working, but of what God had done and of His working in saving you.
Perhaps, but water baptism is not the gospel, and so, is not the power of God unto salvation. See Romans 1:16.
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As far as I know, salvation through faith is for mankind only. Devils/demons not included.
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(Titus 2:11,12) Helps to teach us how God saves men by GRACE.
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation
hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us
that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,
we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
(Titus 2:11,12) shows how grace and mens obedience is married together to save man. (Heb.5:9 ; 11:6)
If man is not thinking and doing what God commands him to do man is not saved by GRACE.
We see this in Noah (Gen. 6:8,22), Naaman (2 Kings 5), The Jews (Acts 2:38,47), The Gentiles (Acts 10:48), The Samaritans (Acts 8:5,12,13,26-40), The Corinthians (Acts 18:8), The Ephesians (Acts 19:1-6) and Paul in (Acts 22:16).
mailmandan
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In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converge around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body exhibits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works (Ephesians 2:5-10).
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God did not say that we are saved "by" works. We are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) You can cite scripture all day long and call it God's list, but if your interpretation of this list of scriptures is incorrect and the end result is salvation by works, then it becomes your list.
I said that James does not teach that we are saved "by" works.
Then you said - I agree with you (weird, huh)....James does not teach that we are saved by works.
Then you concluded - We are saved By works (John 5:28-29; Rom 2:6, 7; James 2:24)?
It's no secret that the Roman Catholic church teaches man is saved by faith and works.
The Catholic Church Teaches Salvation by Works
mailmandan
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You erroneously interpret all of those scriptures that you cited above to teach that man is saved by works. You could not make it any clearer that you teach salvation by works. Your argument about being saved by grace "after accomplishing a work that God commands you to do" sounds similar to what Mormonism teaches. In 2 Nephi 25:23 (from the book of Mormon) we read "..it is by grace that we are saved, after all WE can do." In other words, do all YOU can or else the Lord won't be able to save you, which is in complete contradiction to (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..) Your argument also reminds me of what someone who attends the church of Christ (Campbellism) once said to me during a discussion: "It is works of obedience that help to save us and not works of the law or works of merit." That is also in complete contradiction to (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..)
Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. His obedience was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith, not the origin of it and building the ark saved Noah and his family (physically) from drowning (Hebrews 11:17).
In regards to Naaman, if being healed from leprosy is an illustration of salvation by works (being immersed 7 times in the Jordan river) we have another case that reveals one can be saved without any water. *Read about it in (Luke 5:12-15). *No water is found here. Naaman was not even a believer until "after" dipping in Jordan. He said "NOW" (after being healed) I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel," (2 Kings 5:15) and vowed to worship only Him (verse 17). If we follow this "example," we will have to baptize unbelievers! Naaman received cleansing from leprosy (not eternal life) after he dipped in the Jordan 7 times, but no sins were literally remitted for Naaman in Jordan. Likewise, water baptism does not literally remit sins. The NT uses the experience of Naaman as illustrative of the SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD, not of salvation by works/water baptism. Naaman was a heathen, not a believer, and did not know God until the miracle occurred. The purpose of the miracle had nothing to do with salvation by works, but was to demonstrate "there is a prophet in Israel" (2 Kings 5:8) and that "there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel," as Naaman found out (2 Kings 5:15).
Sadly, you seem to have more faith in water baptism to save you than you do in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
Those who refuse to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16) end up turning to supplements. In your case it's water baptism. *Yet Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. *No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28) Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, (not faith and water baptism) we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 - through whom also we have access by faith into this grace (not faith and water baptism) in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
God's grace is unmerited and shows us mercy, kindness, and patience instead of the judgment that we deserve for sinning against Him. God's grace cannot be earned by our actions. Grace is based on the character of God and not on our works, performance, ability to keep the law etc.. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.
Romans 11:6 - "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
Ephesians 2:8,9 - We are saved by grace through faith, not works, not of ourselves it is the gift of God.
2 Timothy 1:9 - "who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity."
God's grace (enabling power) also operates sovereignly in the lives of believers.
1 Corinthians 15:10 - But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.
2 Corinthians 1:12 - For our proud confidence is this: the testimony of our conscience, that in holiness and godly sincerity, not in fleshly wisdom but in the grace of God, we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you.
Titus 2:11 - For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age.
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OMG.....I AGREE WITH YOU!!! God did not say that we are saved by works. He said MUCH more than that.
I just gave you a list of what GOD SAID we must do to be saved and that list INCLUDES works. It is not ‘do this one thing and you are saved’. There are MANY things we must due to be saved. I simply fail to understand why some Christians cherry pick scripture to find what they believe and then disregard everything in Scripture that doesn’t agree with them.
Ugggg....I have NEVER said salvation comes by works. I gave you a list of things we must do to be saved. How on Gods green earth do you come up with the suggestion that I think that salvation only comes by works????
If your interpretation of scriptures is incorrect.......
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What is the word I’m looking for?? I was being facetious....no, that’s not it! Sarcastic...nope nope that’s not it.....There is another word for it....help me out here!!!
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mailmandan
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Of course God did not say that we are saved by works.
You just contradicted yourself again. You said God did not say that we are saved by works, then you turn around and say God said what we must do to be saved and that list INCLUDES works. So which is it? You can't have it both ways.
Translation - saved by faith "and works."
I don't cherry pick. I properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine and here is the end result in regards to works:
Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-24). Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony*
And that list of things you mentioned that you said we must do to be saved includes works. Ugggg indeed.
Who said anything about salvation only comes by works? When I say that someone is teaching salvation by works, I'm not implying that they are teaching that man is saved by works alone (apart from any kind of faith whatsoever). It's faith (or at least their version of faith) "and works."
Do you teach salvation by faith and works?
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