Jesus Is God Of OT -- God Is (.......) and Jesus Is (......) BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE (......)

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Precisely...only a PERSON can bear a record, and if John says there are "three that bear record", that means THREE PERSONS. I don't think English is that 101 dude's first language.
The internet is a dreadful place for being misunderstood. :)

What I was trying to say is that the Queen of England (One person) has a presence in Canada, England, and New Zealand. She is:-
1. Commander of the Canadian Forces,
2. The Duke of Lancaster,
3. Head of the New Zealand Defence Force.

Likewise, I see ONE God who is present in heaven, on earth and in our hearts.

With Christian love.
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BIBLICAL PROOF THAT JESUS IS THE GOD OF THE OT:

GOD IS GOD:
"I Am the God of thy father." (Exodus 3:6 KJV)

JESUS IS GOD:
"And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God." (John 20:28 KJV)

ONLY ONE GOD:
"To us there is but one God." (1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV)

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GOD THE "I AM":

"Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent Me unto you." (Exodus 3:14 KJV)

JESUS THE "I AM":
"Before Abraham was, I AM." (John 8:50 KJV)

ONLY ONE "I AM":
"I AM the first and I AM the last and beside Me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6 KJV)

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GOD IS THE MIGHTY GOD:
"The Mighty God, even the Lord..." (Psalms 50:1 KJV)

JESUS IS THE MIGHTY GOD:
"His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God..." (Isaiah 9:6 KJV)

ONLY ONE GOD, ALMIGHTY:
"The Lord appeard unto Abram, and said unto him, I AM the Almighty God..." (Genesis 17:1 KJV)

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GOD IS THE FATHER:
"But now, O Lord, Thou art our Father." (Isaiah 64:8 KJV)

JESUS IS THE FATHER:
"His name shall be called...the Everlasting Father..." (Isaiah 9:6 KJV)

ONLY ONE FATHER:
"...for One is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9 KJV)

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GOD THE JUDGE:
"For God is Judge Himself." (Psalms 50:6 KJV)

JESUS THE JUDGE:
"For we must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ." (2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV)

ONLY ONE JUDGE:
"There is One that seeketh and judgeth." (John 8:50 KJV)

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GOD THE ROCK:
"The Lord is my Rock." (Psalms 18:2 KJV)

JESUS THE ROCK:
"...and that Rock was Christ." (1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV)

ONLY ONE ROCK:
"He only is my Rock." (Psalms 62:2 KJV)

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GOD THE SHEPHERD:
"The Lord is my Shepherd." (Psalms 23:1 KLV)

JESUS THE SHEPHERD:
"I am the Good Shepherd." (John 10:11 KJV)

ONLY ONE SHEPHERD:
"...there shall be one fold and One Shepherd." (John 10:16 KJV)

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GOD IS LORD OF LORDS:
"For the Lord your God is...Lord of lords." (Deuteronomy 10:17 KJV)

JESUS IS LORD OF LORDS:
"...and on His thigh a name written King of kings and Lord of lords." (Revelation 19:16 KJV)

ONLY ONE LORD OF LORDS:
"...the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of Lords." (1 Timothy 6:16 KJV)

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GOD'S WAY PREPARED:
"Behold, I will send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me: and the Lord, Whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the Covenant, Whom ye delight in: behold, He shall come, saith the Lord of hosts." (Malachi 3:1 KJV)

JESUS' WAY PREPARED:
"He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord (Jesus), as said the prophet Esaias. " (John 1:23 KJV)

ONLY ONE FOR WHICH THE WAY IS PREPARED:
"The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord." (Isaiah 40:3 KJV)

I wonder if He was called the Son of God in the Old Testament?
Why not just appear on a mountain instead of being born if He existed in the Old Testament?
Why is Yahweh is called Father?
Why is Yeshua called Son?
What does it mean to be Son?
Did the Father say He would become a Son?
Why Christ said, The Father is greater than I?
Why Christ always does someone else's will?
Why Christ identifies more than one will?
Did He forget Himself on the Cross?
Did He say, I am the Son and I am I am....or I am the Creator God?
 

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first thanks for the reply, second, if my response was ridiculous then yours was ridiculous 2.0 my God did you know that a title cannot exist without a PERSON? ...... do you see your mistake now? a title cannot exist without a person, NOT on it's own. now that's ridiculous. do you see your mistake now?

look Phoneman777 you step into it and now you cannot get out, (so you're decieved into making excuses, titles don't witness, jusyt look at what you just said?). see you are getting deeper and deeper in to a lie which is no way out. we suggest before you get to deep in just stop, ok. reconsider what is said, and there is nothing worng with repenting. but to reject the truth and stay in a lie is even worest. READ Proverbs 16:18 please.

PICJAG.
You've got to be kidding LOL Which of us keeps insisting that "titles" can bear a record? Please stop denying reality.

Question: To which of the following do courts issue subpoenas for courtroom record (testimony): "titles" or "persons"???
 

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The harmonization is in the fact that the Son took upon Himself a new nature, one that the Father did not have...Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. If try to explain it you'll lose your mind, but if you refuse to believe it you'll lose you soul.

Therefore:
  • when Jesus prayed, He prayed in His flesh as a man, for "O Thou that hearest prayer, unto Thee shall all flesh come."
  • When He hung on the Cross, He felt forsaken as a man.
  • When He prayed, "Not My will, but Thine," He was surrendering His will as a man.
BUT....
  • When He said, "I and My Father are One", He was speaking as God.
  • When He said, "Before Abraham was, I AM", He was speaking as God.
  • When He said, "Unless ye believe that I AM, ye shall die in your sins", He was speaking as God.
Please watch this mind-blowing presentation by this gifted preacher:


Well put. You guys are awesome with Eschatology. And, way to go separating the human and the Spiritual with Christ!
 
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The internet is a dreadful place for being misunderstood. :)

What I was trying to say is that the Queen of England (One person) has a presence in Canada, England, and New Zealand. She is:-
1. Commander of the Canadian Forces,
2. The Duke of Lancaster,
3. Head of the New Zealand Defence Force.

Likewise, I see ONE God who is present in heaven, on earth and in our hearts.

With Christian love.
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Didn't misunderstand you, but what is being misunderstood is elementary math. "Three" is not the same as "one", but 101G would rather die on a twisted Common Core Math hill rather than admit his argument is fallacious...because it denies the plain text of Scripture ("three") in order to establish his version of it ("one").

"There are Three (Persons - because "titles" can't bear testimony) that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these Three are One (Godhead)." -- 1 John 5:7 KJV
 
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I wonder if He was called the Son of God in the Old Testament?
Why not just appear on a mountain instead of being born if He existed in the Old Testament?
Why is Yahweh is called Father?
Why is Yeshua called Son?
What does it mean to be Son?
Did the Father say He would become a Son?
Why Christ said, The Father is greater than I?
Why Christ always does someone else's will?
Why Christ identifies more than one will?
Did He forget Himself on the Cross?
Did He say, I am the Son and I am I am....or I am the Creator God?
That video answers directly or indirectly all these questions. The speaker is a graduate of Oral Roberts University with degree in theology. He wrote a 40 page senior thesis on the words of Thomas, "My Lord and my God" arguing that Jesus is God in the highest sense of the word. He was an international Bible speaker/prophecy lecturer and preached the Bible like few can.
 

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That video answers directly or indirectly all these questions. The speaker is a graduate of Oral Roberts University with degree in theology. He wrote a 40 page senior thesis on the words of Thomas, "My Lord and my God" arguing that Jesus is God in the highest sense of the word. He was an international Bible speaker/prophecy lecturer and preached the Bible like few can.
Just because He says it is so....that does not mean I agree.
There is plenty in the Bible to agree with your assertions.
Some agree and some do not.
But most do not know why they were pushing for the one God theorem and placing Christ as God Almighty, Creator of the heaven and the earth. All authority given to Christ and Christ will be the judge of all.....by the time they done God the Father was demoted to a janitor sweeping the halls. So then they had to come up with the one God theorem so at least they could say God the Father participated a little bit. Of course there were several other external concerns for the one God theorem.
 

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You've got to be kidding LOL Which of us keeps insisting that "titles" can bear a record? Please stop denying reality.

Question: To which of the following do courts issue subpoenas for courtroom record (testimony): "titles" or "persons"???
first thanks for the reply, second, did I not say "THESE" are titles, and NOT.. "THEY" which would indicate a person? did i not say this. so your argument is from ignorance because title are not PERSONS. AND YOU REPROVE YOUR OWNSELF when you said that you can be a father, but it's you, and be a brother, but it's you, or be a tech, but it's the same old you, ONE PERSON. so you been reprove. just go back and see what you have said, and you will see your error.

PICJAG.
 

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Just because He says it is so....that does not mean I agree.
There is plenty in the Bible to agree with your assertions.
Some agree and some do not.
But most do not know why they were pushing for the one God theorem and placing Christ as God Almighty, Creator of the heaven and the earth. All authority given to Christ and Christ will be the judge of all.....by the time they done God the Father was demoted to a janitor sweeping the halls. So then they had to come up with the one God theorem so at least they could say God the Father participated a little bit. Of course there were several other external concerns for the one God theorem.
Just trying to help you out. You asked a lot of questions; I offered some info on where to find answers, is all. I agree that seeking to elevate one Person in the Godhead over another is just as bad as denying the Godhead and making God a single Person, rather that the Three Divine Persons that make up God, which is what the Papal Antichrist does, and therefore by that is enough for me to eye it with utmost suspicion.
 

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first thanks for the reply, second, did I not say "THESE" are titles, and NOT.. "THEY" which would indicate a person?
I didn't accuse you of saying that - if I inadvertently did, please point out the Post # for me. What you said is that the "three" are "three titles" which bear record, and I grow tired of trying to convince you what the rest of the planet already knows: that "titles" cannot bear records, PEOPLE do, which means the "three" that bear record are "Three Persons".
so your argument is from ignorance because title are not PERSONS. AND YOU REPROVE YOUR OWNSELF when you said that you can be a father, but it's you, and be a brother, but it's you, or be a tech, but it's the same old you, ONE PERSON. so you been reprove. just go back and see what you have said, and you will see your error. PICJAG.
I have no idea what you're saying because your bad grammar is very difficult to follow. Suffice it to say, you are wrong in saying the "three" are "three titles" instead of agreeing with the Bible that the "three" which bear record are the "three Persons of the Godhead" in heaven.
 

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Just trying to help you out. You asked a lot of questions; I offered some info on where to find answers, is all. I agree that seeking to elevate one Person in the Godhead over another is just as bad as denying the Godhead and making God a single Person, rather that the Three Divine Persons that make up God, which is what the Papal Antichrist does, and therefore by that is enough for me to eye it with utmost suspicion.
No harm, no foul....I am multi-denominational and fellowship with many that believe as you....I am ok with that.
The questions were for you, not me.
 
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I didn't accuse you of saying that - if I inadvertently did, please point out the Post # for me. What you said is that the "three" are "three titles" which bear record, and I grow tired of trying to convince you what the rest of the planet already knows: that "titles" cannot bear records, PEOPLE do, which means the "three" that bear record are "Three Persons".
first thanks for the reply, second did I say you did? no, look at what I said, "did I not say "THESE" are titles. not you but "I" said that.....
and also are you and the rest of the world conceding to be in ERROR? ... (smile)... :D
I have no idea what you're saying because your bad grammar is very difficult to follow.
Just follow the scriptures, and on top of that I said if you have any questions just asked. you never gave me a chance to correct my bad Grammer....

now is this bad grammer? if I said I'am a father, and I witness as father, but I'm also a son and I witness as a son, but I'm also a brother, and witness as a son, so, now how many are there of me? .... so forget the grammer errors, just answer the question... OK... (smile).

PICJAG.
 

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No harm, no foul....I am multi-denominational and fellowship with many that believe as you....I am ok with that.
The questions were for you, not me.
Apologies for the lengthy post in advance.

Most of them I think the OP addressed. As for Jesus' OT names, a few come to mind: Nebuchadnezzer called Him "Son of God" when He saw Him in the furnace, and no doubt did so because His appearance resembled Daniel's descriptions of Him...also, He identified Himself as "I Am" to Moses...also, "The Angel Of The Lord" was another, proved by comparing the Angel of the Lord's answer to Manoah's question regarding His name, which He said was "secret" which means "wonderful" and is the same Hebrew word Isaiah uses in chapter 9 of his book: "...His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, etc.

But, did you know there was another name for Jesus in the OT widely accepted among many many Christians across denominational boundaries and internationally esteemed Bible commentators? "Michael the Archangel", which means "Who Is Like God: the Ruler of Angels". Only ONE is like God when manifesting Himself as the Angel of the Lord -- Jesus -- Who is God, Who is 100% God, and Who is God in the highest sense of the world. They taught when Jesus manifested Himself as a man, He took the name Jesus, but in the OT when He would manifest Himself as the "Angel Of The Lord", He would take on the name "Michael".

However, a certain Christian sect began twisting this teaching to "prove" that Jesus was nothing more than an angel, a created being, and that our emphasis needed to be on "Jehovah". Slowly, churches distanced themselves from the original teaching until now it is widely regarded as "heresy" which is sad, because the old teaching - without distortion and molestation - is just as solid today as it was back when it was an interdenominational Biblical teaching.
 
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Although I have no problems with your belief....that is not my belief. First off the letter J nor it pronunciation occurred in any know language before 1400 ad...that is 1400 years after Christ. It did not catch on until some time after the King James Version in the 1600's. And no I do not believe that Yeshua was in the Old Testament.
 
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Foundation Scripture: Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God”.

Now, lets get to the stumbling bock itself. some counter claim on Jesus name by saying that there is no J in the Hebrew language, so our Lord’s name could not be JESUS, that’s true, NO, not in Hebrew. Neither... Letters like 'j, e & v'. they weren't invented until the 17th century. I'm glad many said that. lets clear up this, letter "J", stumbling block.

our, foundation scripture: Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God”. question, who, not what is the new name God?. Revelation 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it". that he, are us who are saved. now the Lord Jesus. Revelation 3:12 " Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name". STOP HOLD IT, a NEW NAME? meaning not the one he has NOW at the time of the writting.... :eek: keep this in mind. once more, Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself". that day of not knowing is over. that's the reason for the book of revelation. from the stand point of the time this Revelation was written, yes, no man knew God's new name but he himself. why?. because he is the Alpha and the Omega. he knows the end. so by knowing that in the end times, (which I believe we are in now), that the the English language will be the dominant language to come. only he knew that the name Jesus will only be known in the last days by this dominating language. just as other kingdom arose and with them, their language dominated, so who knew the mind of God back then. answer, "no man", that's right, NO MAN KNEW, but he himself. not even John at the time of the writting. and it cannot be the name now in use at the time of John writing, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO LETTER "J" IN HIS LANGUAGE AT THAT TIME :rolleyes: . so God who is the future, knows the end time name, JESUS is the NEW NAME which is now, we're in the last days. how do we know this, because the Bible, God's word say so. Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds".

so the END time, or Last day is the NEW NAME of God in the English language to come is "JESUS" ... BINGO. case solved, stumblingblock removed.

what did the Holy Spirit say by his apostle Paul, Romans 14:13 "Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way."

so let's not use this "NO LETTER J" as a stumbling block anymore.

PICJAG.
 

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Foundation Scripture: Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God”.

Now, lets get to the stumbling bock itself. some counter claim on Jesus name by saying that there is no J in the Hebrew language, so our Lord’s name could not be JESUS, that’s true, NO, not in Hebrew. Neither... Letters like 'j, e & v'. they weren't invented until the 17th century. I'm glad many said that. lets clear up this, letter "J", stumbling block.

our, foundation scripture: Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God”. question, who, not what is the new name God?. Revelation 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it". that he, are us who are saved. now the Lord Jesus. Revelation 3:12 " Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name". STOP HOLD IT, a NEW NAME? meaning not the one he has NOW at the time of the writting.... :eek: keep this in mind. once more, Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself". that day of not knowing is over. that's the reason for the book of revelation. from the stand point of the time this Revelation was written, yes, no man knew God's new name but he himself. why?. because he is the Alpha and the Omega. he knows the end. so by knowing that in the end times, (which I believe we are in now), that the the English language will be the dominant language to come. only he knew that the name Jesus will only be known in the last days by this dominating language. just as other kingdom arose and with them, their language dominated, so who knew the mind of God back then. answer, "no man", that's right, NO MAN KNEW, but he himself. not even John at the time of the writting. and it cannot be the name now in use at the time of John writing, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO LETTER "J" IN HIS LANGUAGE AT THAT TIME :rolleyes: . so God who is the future, knows the end time name, JESUS is the NEW NAME which is now, we're in the last days. how do we know this, because the Bible, God's word say so. Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds".

so the END time, or Last day is the NEW NAME of God in the English language to come is "JESUS" ... BINGO. case solved, stumblingblock removed.

what did the Holy Spirit say by his apostle Paul, Romans 14:13 "Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way."

so let's not use this "NO LETTER J" as a stumbling block anymore.

PICJAG.
You can call Him anything you want, it does not hurt my feelings. The J slam replaced the names of any person, place, or thing that had a Y....with a J. It took around 28,000 alterations to the Old and New Testament to get that done. The significance of that is up to you. But ultimately they removed the name of God the Father and God the Son from Holy Bible. Maybe you think They did not deserve to have Their names in the Holy Bible. Yahweh and Yeshua is easy enough to say...right?