Being baptized or not has nothing to do with it as far as the demons are concerned. They were damned because they left their first habitation and came to earth to seduce women instead of being born in the flesh. You can read about this in Genesis 6
The Devils Believe...are they damned?
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Being baptized or not has nothing to do with it as far as the demons are concerned. They were damned because they left their first habitation and came to earth to seduce women instead of being born in the flesh. You can read about this in Genesis 6
You are right that baptism has nothing to do with it. They are damned because they followed Lucifer when he rebelled against God and God cast him out of heaven. The devils are the fallen angels that chose to rebel against God and follow Lucifer. Because of that God damned them eternally.
Again a word study will help here, aion and aionios are translated incorrectly. The Greek words aion and aionios and the Hebrew word olam have much more to do with quality and realm than they do with time. But if your going to prefer KJV or the like over the much older texts in the original languages than there's no reason to continue and we'll just disagree and leave it at that.
Well I guess we will have to disagree then. I believe the 50 something translators that were assigned to translate the KJV from the textus receptus were far more qualified to do so then you or I. They were master scholars and knew the languages like the back of their hands. I will stick with their translation way before I go with anyone's opinion on here unless you can speak greek, hebrew, and english with complete fluency and are a master scholar.
Until you can settle the fact that the KJV is the true and accurate Word of God you can never be firmly grounded on your faith in your doctrines because you have no true written Word to base it on. Unless you know greek and hebrew and have the ancient manuscripts that do not even exist in their entirety these days, then I don't know what you base your beliefs on. I prefer to stick with what I know God's true word is in English and that is the KJV.
Well the truth is I have already found that the KJV has many errors and is a biased translation that has had many revisions.
As far as what my beliefs/faith are based on? Well much the same as Abraham's who may I remind you had no bible especially not a KJV because Moses had not been born yet so that he could write the Pentateuch.
Soldier, the demons were not condemned because they followed Satan in the first earth age, they were condemned because they left their first estate in this age and impregnated the daughters of men. Read Jude.
Also, I don’t know why you need to bring the KJV argument into this discussion, that has been argued many times in other threads, leave it there.
Only one stands condemned at the moment.
Spirits are Greek pneuma which is basically exclusively used of spirits or angels. Prison would agree with Jude 6. Even the angels that left their estate can be saved - and some were according to I Peter 3:19.
I think saying that the devils believe is pretty profound. We can't take verses like John 3:16 for granted...
Spirits are Greek pneuma which is basically exclusively used of spirits or angels. Prison would agree with Jude 6. Even the angels that left their estate can be saved - and some were according to I Peter 3:19.
I think saying that the devils believe is pretty profound. We can't take verses like John 3:16 for granted...
Sorry Hammer, but I can't agree with you. Christ say's: :
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born (G1080) again (G509), he cannot see the kingdom of God.
G509
ἄνωθεν, From G507; from above; by analogy from the first; by implication anew: - from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.
This means to be born in a flesh body. The demons left their first habitation to come to earth in their spirit bodies, they did not get the chance to go back and come again through the flesh as children. Therefore, they "cannot see the kingdom" and are damned. They are not part of those to whom Christ preached in 1 Peter 3:19-20. Those were the souls of people that had been born from above, in flesh bodies, but had died before Christ and never had a chance to hear the Good News.
The subject of this scripture is man not demon, spirit or angel. This scripture deals with how "man" can see the kingdom.
This is a weird conversations. Demons are spirits and were never flesh. Demon's like Satan were created by God for a purpose. When that purpose is no longer needed then there is no need for the negative realm.
Jig,
Do you have any idea when our, including the demons and Satan, souls were first created? Do you know why we are here in the flesh? Where was your soul before you were born?
"Man," flesh and blood, can not enter (see) the Kingdom of Heaven.
Do you understand the importance of context when studying scripture? Where are demons mentioned in this text?
Matthew 25.41: The Lord Jesus said:
"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.."
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