Beyond good and evil

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Anthony D'Arienzo

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Knew I was taking a chance with a Calvinist here, lol.
Of course God can and does anything He want's, AND He also gives us choices to make...good or bad. Will we be obedient to Him or choose to be tempted to disobey? Please let's not allow this to get into another one of "those" threads!
Just letting you know we are here,lol
 
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Knew I was taking a chance with a Calvinist here, lol.
Of course God can and does anything He want's, AND He also gives us choices to make...good or bad. Will we be obedient to Him or choose to be tempted to disobey? Please let's not allow this to get into another one of "those" threads!
Well. Let God speak.
 

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Why would I need you to agree to the beliefs I might have?
Your questioning here is completely erratic.

I look at a mountain of evidence, and do believe somethings are intrinsically evil (like rape, abuse, etc).

You have stated you don’t believe those things to be intrinsically evil.

I acknowledge your right to believe whatever, regardless did what I think about it.

It’s all pretty straight Forward.
 

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Your questioning here is completely erratic.

I look at a mountain of evidence, and do believe somethings are intrinsically evil (like rape, abuse, etc).

You have stated you don’t believe those things to be intrinsically evil.

I acknowledge your right to believe whatever, regardless did what I think about it.

It’s all pretty straight Forward.
:| (Yeah I don't know how to type that emoticon)
 

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Is it possible to function morally outside the human concepts of good and evil?
NO. Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and it is incurable; who can know it? In other words, the heart deceives itself. That is why we need concepts of good and evil to prevent us from being deceived by our own hearts.

Atheists are adamant that they live a good life (by their own reckoning) but their heart deceives them, so they do not know that they do not live a good life bearing in mind that a "good life" is a subjective idea.

One person may not see a problem taking home a pen from work but another might, so who is living a good life?
 

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Is it possible to function morally outside the human concepts of good and evil?

From my perspective the basis of your question is flawed... so there is no suitable answer.

Your statement is with the belief that the concept of good and evil comes from humans alone. If I was to take that view - then there is no foundation to work from. Each one can do what is right in their own eyes without a concept of evil. (It's happened previously - Judges 21). What does it matter what I think, what you think, etc. Each one for themselves to get as much as they can out of this life - who cares if you can get away with it... (but even that is pointless - fleeting, etc)

Good and evil can only exist where there is a constant. A single and unmovable point of reference of which to go from, otherwise it flips at the whim of the observer. "If" the universe is an accident, a big bang, and clumps of whatever randomly formed what we see today - indeed everything is meaningless as you have stated - and there is no such thing as good and evil.

On the other hand - if there is a single and unmovable reference we can look towards - which there is with God - then likewise the question is still invalid - because their is no human concept of good and evil - it is defined by God almighty.

So as such - good and evil can only exists if there is a constant / single unmovable point of reference.

So from my perspective - your real question is invalid because the foundation of the question doesn't reside on a human concept. Rather the real question is - is the God of the bible the one true living God, or not. Only from that point of reference can you find your way to talk about good and evil.
 
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Is it possible to function morally outside the human concepts of good and evil?
The OP confounded me. Is it a serious question?

What do you mean by the word "morally"? Are you asking if it is possible to be good outside the human concepts of good and evil?
 
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