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Elijah returns

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The Six Seals
The Four Horsemen

The Wrath of Man
(1260 days)
Christ opens the first of Seven seals
Satan falls to earth

(Matthew 24:4-14 Revelation 6:2-17) First Time Period of 42 Months

First Seal: Christ begins to wage war amidst his enemies.
Second Seal: Nation against nation
Third Seal: Famine
Fourth Seal: 1/4 of earth dies (1.5+ billion)
Fifth Seal: Martyrdom of holy ones of Jehovah.
Sixth Seal: Earthquakes, stars fall, Present System as ruled by Britain and America collapses. Satan is expelled from Heaven and Christ takes over control. This present systems collapse coincides with Satan’s expulsion. The King and Kingdom of Tyre come to their end.
Sudden birth pains: The Great Tribulation begins suddenly and unexpectedly.

The first 3 1/2 years start with the beginning of the Antichrist's effort of world conquest, which helps plunge the world into the deadliest wars in history, followed by the resulting famines, disease, persecutions, and complete breakdown of the old world order, making way for the Satan’s mimic kingdom of Jehovah’s real one by means of his New World Order. And as Christ himself had said, many of the holy ones will be fooled by this.

Oil is the key. Oil has become the life blood of the world's economies. The Antichrist will likely gain broad power by controlling much of the world's oil supply, as well as the internet, banking, satellite systems, and nuclear weapons to be sure.
The Gospel must be preached to all nations is a requirement before the end time comes. And this commission is carried out by the elite two witness group. The Great Commission will be completed as the Gentile world overwhelmingly rejects Christ. As last and formal worship of Jehovah stops 30 days before the two witnesses complete their mission and Wild Beast is set up.

The Two Witnesses that come to prophesy are slain by the Beast and resurrected after 3 1/2 days. This occurs just before the Wild Beast takes over supreme control. The two witnesses will preach the good news of the kingdom in this first time period. It will be a worldwide work, and one filled with works greater than that of Christ. Like Christ, these last two are cut off in the middle of the last week
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The Seventh Seal
The Six Trumpets

The Wrath of Satan
(1260 days)

Set up of
Satan’s New World Order

(Matthew 24:15-31 Luke 21:20-*24 Revelation 8:1-9:21 11:15) Second Time Period/42 Months

Satan has been expelled and hurled down to the earth。Christ now rules, but the Kingdom does not become Jehovah’s or his Christ’s until the 7th Trumpet.
Seventh Seal: Silence in Heaven for 1/2 an hour, or 21 months until 1st trumpet is blown. The Nations have been lulled into a sense of false peace and security by this skilled Politician. The call of peace and security may go forward on or before the silence in heaven comes to its end. During this time the instruments of the destruction are being prepared in heaven ready to be poured out on the wild beast and those that’ve accepted his mark.

There is a space of 1/2 hour between Seventh seal and First Trumpet=21 Months?

First Trumpet/ First Bowl: Hail of fire – first plague strikes earth. 1/3 plants die in the destruction。
Second Trumpet/ Second Bowl: Fiery Mountain hurled into sea - 1/3 sea life dies.
Sea turns to blood. 1/3 of sea creatures die, 1/3 of boats destroyed.
Third Trumpet/ Third Bowl: The star Wormwood falls to the earth. 1/3 rivers are poisoned. Many people die from drinking this.
Fourth Trumpet/ Fourth Bowl: 1/3 heavens darkened by smoke and fires.
Fifth Trumpet/ Fifth Bowl: 5 months of torture by locusts. The Kingdom of the wild beast begins to darken. Trumpets 5-7 are the last 3 woes. Jehovah’s people released 110 days before Armageddon.
Sixth Trumpet/ Sixth Bowl: The 200 million man army of the wild beast gets ready to move on in on Babylon to destroy it at the appointed time for its destruction. 1/3 of mankind (another 1.5+ billion people) will be eradicated.

Satan has been expelled. He drags down one third of the Heavens with him to the earth in great rage knowing his time is short, namely, 1260 days or 3.5 years, the same duration as that of his final and last king. In his madness and in his rage he goes forward to wage war on remaining holy ones of God.
144,000 are sealed by God. Holy ones of the remainder of the remnant are taken into the wilderness for the second 3 1/2 years, "On the wings of a giant eagle."


The second 3 1/2 years start with the Abomination of Desolation: The Antichrist invades the holy place of Jehovah and sets himself up as god in the temple in Jerusalem, eliminating all true worship around the world. He occupies and tramples on Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years. This thing is served by a false prophet that forces all on the earth to bow down to it. It performs signs so as to mislead many, even some of Gods holy ones too.

The Antichrist comes to power in this turbulent time as a skilled politician. He is given control of the world's economic and political systems by the 10 nations in hopes that he can bring peace. He takes over and destroys Christian worship around the world. Jehovah’s people go into servitude under the boot heel of Babylon the Great and the Wild Beast for the period of 2300 evenings and mornings or 1150 days This antichrist is also Satan’s mimic kingdom of Gods real one, many will be fooled by it when he arrives believing Gods kingdom is represented through this beast, just after the demise of America and Britain. The World follows this beast with wonderment and awe.

The Mark of the Beast is instituted to represent the force of absolute allegiance to the one world government/religion. Anyone who does not carry this mark cannot buy or sell, and may well perish by means of the Sword.

The Great Harlot, Christianized Rome, embodied by the western countries in false worship, will hand power over to the Beast but will be betrayed by him in a single day of fiery destruction.
The World's armies get ready and prepare to move on in on to Babylon to destroy it. The Wild Beast will send an Army of 200 million men, ruthlessly killing half the world’s population along the way. This is the second last woe.

The Seventh Trumpet
Christ’s Arrival

The Wrath of God

Christ returns
144000 rise to him
Armageddon

Last Time Period. Christ Returns/
(Matthew 24:29-31 1 Corin 15:51-52 1Thess 4:13-17 Revelation 11:15 Revelation16:17-21)


Seventh Trumpet/ Seventh Bowl: Poured out in the air - lightning, hail, and earthquake. Cities of the nations fall
(last trumpet). The 6 bowls of God’s wrath have come to their completion and the 7th is finally poured out, this is the last, it is Armageddon.

The 144000 rise as Christ returns and His kingdom on earth is declared, and the 144000, both those sleeping in the dust and those still alive at sounding of the 7th trumpet are taken up to their places to be Kings and Priests along with Christ for a reign of 1000 years.
The Sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky announcing Christ's return... Every person on earth will see Christ as He returns, and begin to beat themselves in lamentation and fall out of fear for what is about to occur.

The remnant of Israel will rise to Christ in an instant.

The seventh bowl is poured out on the beast's kingdom and mankind as a judgment on those who have received his mark. This is definitely the last. The finish of Gods anger.

Christ destroys the world's armies at Armageddon. Blood will come up to the horse’s bridles for 200 miles as Christ slays some millions of troops and saves Israel his people from annihilation.
The Wild Beast along with the False Prophet that serves it are destroyed, Christ abysses Satan for the 1000 year period in which he will reign


Christ’s Marriage in Heaven

Christ begins his thousand year reign over the earth.

After the Millennium

Satan is released once more to lead Gog and Magog against Israel and is defeated once and for all time.
The Great White Throne Judgment separates those who are in the book of Life from those who rejected Christ. The wicked are finally destroyed.
The old universe passes away with a roar and a new heaven and earth are created.
The New Jerusalem, the eternal city, comes down out of heaven. Eternal future begins. The tent of God will indeed be with mankind, and they will indeed be his peoples. Harmony is restored, and Jehovah once again, becomes all things to all those that love him.


Summary


The General Tribulation covers the entire 7 years.
The Great Tribulation is the second 3 1/2 years.
The Day of the Jehovah begins when Jesus Christ rules in heaven after Satan’s expulsion.
The first 3 1/2 years ends in death, the second 3 1/2 ends in resurrection = 7 years for Jehovah’s perfect plan.

 

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The Six Seals
The Four Horsemen

The Wrath of Man
(1260 days)
Christ opens the first of Seven seals
Satan falls to earth

(Matthew 24:4-14 Revelation 6:2-17) First Time Period of 42 Months

First Seal: Christ begins to wage war amidst his enemies.
Second Seal: Nation against nation
Third Seal: Famine
Fourth Seal: 1/4 of earth dies (1.5+ billion)
Fifth Seal: Martyrdom of holy ones of Jehovah.
Sixth Seal: Earthquakes, stars fall, Present System as ruled by Britain and America collapses. Satan is expelled from Heaven and Christ takes over control. This present systems collapse coincides with Satan’s expulsion. The King and Kingdom of Tyre come to their end.
Sudden birth pains: The Great Tribulation begins suddenly and unexpectedly.

The first 3 1/2 years start with the beginning of the Antichrist's effort of world conquest, which helps plunge the world into the deadliest wars in history, followed by the resulting famines, disease, persecutions, and complete breakdown of the old world order, making way for the Satan’s mimic kingdom of Jehovah’s real one by means of his New World Order. And as Christ himself had said, many of the holy ones will be fooled by this.

Oil is the key. Oil has become the life blood of the world's economies. The Antichrist will likely gain broad power by controlling much of the world's oil supply, as well as the internet, banking, satellite systems, and nuclear weapons to be sure.
The Gospel must be preached to all nations is a requirement before the end time comes. And this commission is carried out by the elite two witness group. The Great Commission will be completed as the Gentile world overwhelmingly rejects Christ. As last and formal worship of Jehovah stops 30 days before the two witnesses complete their mission and Wild Beast is set up.

The Two Witnesses that come to prophesy are slain by the Beast and resurrected after 3 1/2 days. This occurs just before the Wild Beast takes over supreme control. The two witnesses will preach the good news of the kingdom in this first time period. It will be a worldwide work, and one filled with works greater than that of Christ. Like Christ, these last two are cut off in the middle of the last week
________________________________________

The Seventh Seal
The Six Trumpets

The Wrath of Satan
(1260 days)

Set up of
Satan’s New World Order

(Matthew 24:15-31 Luke 21:20-*24 Revelation 8:1-9:21 11:15) Second Time Period/42 Months

Satan has been expelled and hurled down to the earth。Christ now rules, but the Kingdom does not become Jehovah’s or his Christ’s until the 7th Trumpet.
Seventh Seal: Silence in Heaven for 1/2 an hour, or 21 months until 1st trumpet is blown. The Nations have been lulled into a sense of false peace and security by this skilled Politician. The call of peace and security may go forward on or before the silence in heaven comes to its end. During this time the instruments of the destruction are being prepared in heaven ready to be poured out on the wild beast and those that’ve accepted his mark.

There is a space of 1/2 hour between Seventh seal and First Trumpet=21 Months?

First Trumpet/ First Bowl: Hail of fire – first plague strikes earth. 1/3 plants die in the destruction。
Second Trumpet/ Second Bowl: Fiery Mountain hurled into sea - 1/3 sea life dies.
Sea turns to blood. 1/3 of sea creatures die, 1/3 of boats destroyed.
Third Trumpet/ Third Bowl: The star Wormwood falls to the earth. 1/3 rivers are poisoned. Many people die from drinking this.
Fourth Trumpet/ Fourth Bowl: 1/3 heavens darkened by smoke and fires.
Fifth Trumpet/ Fifth Bowl: 5 months of torture by locusts. The Kingdom of the wild beast begins to darken. Trumpets 5-7 are the last 3 woes. Jehovah’s people released 110 days before Armageddon.
Sixth Trumpet/ Sixth Bowl: The 200 million man army of the wild beast gets ready to move on in on Babylon to destroy it at the appointed time for its destruction. 1/3 of mankind (another 1.5+ billion people) will be eradicated.

Satan has been expelled. He drags down one third of the Heavens with him to the earth in great rage knowing his time is short, namely, 1260 days or 3.5 years, the same duration as that of his final and last king. In his madness and in his rage he goes forward to wage war on remaining holy ones of God.
144,000 are sealed by God. Holy ones of the remainder of the remnant are taken into the wilderness for the second 3 1/2 years, "On the wings of a giant eagle."


The second 3 1/2 years start with the Abomination of Desolation: The Antichrist invades the holy place of Jehovah and sets himself up as god in the temple in Jerusalem, eliminating all true worship around the world. He occupies and tramples on Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years. This thing is served by a false prophet that forces all on the earth to bow down to it. It performs signs so as to mislead many, even some of Gods holy ones too.

The Antichrist comes to power in this turbulent time as a skilled politician. He is given control of the world's economic and political systems by the 10 nations in hopes that he can bring peace. He takes over and destroys Christian worship around the world. Jehovah’s people go into servitude under the boot heel of Babylon the Great and the Wild Beast for the period of 2300 evenings and mornings or 1150 days This antichrist is also Satan’s mimic kingdom of Gods real one, many will be fooled by it when he arrives believing Gods kingdom is represented through this beast, just after the demise of America and Britain. The World follows this beast with wonderment and awe.

The Mark of the Beast is instituted to represent the force of absolute allegiance to the one world government/religion. Anyone who does not carry this mark cannot buy or sell, and may well perish by means of the Sword.

The Great Harlot, Christianized Rome, embodied by the western countries in false worship, will hand power over to the Beast but will be betrayed by him in a single day of fiery destruction.
The World's armies get ready and prepare to move on in on to Babylon to destroy it. The Wild Beast will send an Army of 200 million men, ruthlessly killing half the world’s population along the way. This is the second last woe.

The Seventh Trumpet
Christ’s Arrival

The Wrath of God

Christ returns
144000 rise to him
Armageddon

Last Time Period. Christ Returns/
(Matthew 24:29-31 1 Corin 15:51-52 1Thess 4:13-17 Revelation 11:15 Revelation16:17-21)


Seventh Trumpet/ Seventh Bowl: Poured out in the air - lightning, hail, and earthquake. Cities of the nations fall
(last trumpet). The 6 bowls of God’s wrath have come to their completion and the 7th is finally poured out, this is the last, it is Armageddon.

The 144000 rise as Christ returns and His kingdom on earth is declared, and the 144000, both those sleeping in the dust and those still alive at sounding of the 7th trumpet are taken up to their places to be Kings and Priests along with Christ for a reign of 1000 years.
The Sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky announcing Christ's return... Every person on earth will see Christ as He returns, and begin to beat themselves in lamentation and fall out of fear for what is about to occur.

The remnant of Israel will rise to Christ in an instant.

The seventh bowl is poured out on the beast's kingdom and mankind as a judgment on those who have received his mark. This is definitely the last. The finish of Gods anger.

Christ destroys the world's armies at Armageddon. Blood will come up to the horse’s bridles for 200 miles as Christ slays some millions of troops and saves Israel his people from annihilation.
The Wild Beast along with the False Prophet that serves it are destroyed, Christ abysses Satan for the 1000 year period in which he will reign


Christ’s Marriage in Heaven

Christ begins his thousand year reign over the earth.

After the Millennium

Satan is released once more to lead Gog and Magog against Israel and is defeated once and for all time.
The Great White Throne Judgment separates those who are in the book of Life from those who rejected Christ. The wicked are finally destroyed.
The old universe passes away with a roar and a new heaven and earth are created.
The New Jerusalem, the eternal city, comes down out of heaven. Eternal future begins. The tent of God will indeed be with mankind, and they will indeed be his peoples. Harmony is restored, and Jehovah once again, becomes all things to all those that love him.


Summary


The General Tribulation covers the entire 7 years.
The Great Tribulation is the second 3 1/2 years.
The Day of the Jehovah begins when Jesus Christ rules in heaven after Satan’s expulsion.
The first 3 1/2 years ends in death, the second 3 1/2 ends in resurrection = 7 years for Jehovah’s perfect plan.


For those that are browsing,

Much of what is written here is myth. The context of the first seals shows us that it was broken about 33 AD, and has nothing at all to do with the antichrist. In truth, there is not one word written about the first seal, to give any hint at all of evil. The horse is to represent warfare. The color white ALWAYS represents righteousness. This horse and rider are to represent the church, being sent out into the world, to make disciples of all nations. The next seals are the devil's feeble attempts to stop the advance of the gospel. Of course, he fails. There is not a nation under the sun, now, where the gospel is not being heard!

The first four seals, then, are broken one after another, about 33 AD. The fifth seal is where we read of a long delay. In fact, so long as to wait for the very last martyr of the church. Therefore, the first 5 seals were broken about 33 AD, and we are now waiting on the 6th. This is the truth of the scriptures, when read without preconceived glasses. It is the intent of the author.

Coop
 

Elijah returns

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What you have written is from Satan. John wrote this book in about 90 ad, Jesus dies some 60 years earlier?????? and the book of revelation is written for the time of the end, just as most the the books are, so where your reasoning comes from, I don't know???? but that kind of reasoning misleads, but woe to the one that does it, as it will be better if a millstone be put around his neck and cast into the sea.....but, anyone who is clued up and can see, can see we are nearing the time of Christs presence soon.

If all these things have happened as you so foolishly declare, then there leaves nothing to be fulfilled, and we, more than most, that are awaiting these things to occur are, as Paul says, to be pitied more than most.

What you have said is from satan


For those that are browsing,

Much of what is written here is myth. The context of the first seals shows us that it was broken about 33 AD, and has nothing at all to do with the antichrist. In truth, there is not one word written about the first seal, to give any hint at all of evil. The horse is to represent warfare. The color white ALWAYS represents righteousness. This horse and rider are to represent the church, being sent out into the world, to make disciples of all nations. The next seals are the devil's feeble attempts to stop the advance of the gospel. Of course, he fails. There is not a nation under the sun, now, where the gospel is not being heard!

The first four seals, then, are broken one after another, about 33 AD. The fifth seal is where we read of a long delay. In fact, so long as to wait for the very last martyr of the church. Therefore, the first 5 seals were broken about 33 AD, and we are not waiting on the 6th. This is the truth of the scriptures, when read without preconceived glasses. It is the intent of the author.

Coop
 

lecoop

Member
May 21, 2008
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The Six Seals
The Four Horsemen

The Wrath of Man
(1260 days)
Christ opens the first of Seven seals
Satan falls to earth

(Matthew 24:4-14 Revelation 6:2-17) First Time Period of 42 Months

First Seal: Christ begins to wage war amidst his enemies.
Second Seal: Nation against nation
Third Seal: Famine
Fourth Seal: 1/4 of earth dies (1.5+ billion)
Fifth Seal: Martyrdom of holy ones of Jehovah.
Sixth Seal: Earthquakes, stars fall, Present System as ruled by Britain and America collapses. Satan is expelled from Heaven and Christ takes over control. This present systems collapse coincides with Satan’s expulsion. The King and Kingdom of Tyre come to their end.
Sudden birth pains: The Great Tribulation begins suddenly and unexpectedly.

The first 3 1/2 years start with the beginning of the Antichrist's effort of world conquest, which helps plunge the world into the deadliest wars in history, followed by the resulting famines, disease, persecutions, and complete breakdown of the old world order, making way for the Satan’s mimic kingdom of Jehovah’s real one by means of his New World Order. And as Christ himself had said, many of the holy ones will be fooled by this.

Oil is the key. Oil has become the life blood of the world's economies. The Antichrist will likely gain broad power by controlling much of the world's oil supply, as well as the internet, banking, satellite systems, and nuclear weapons to be sure.
The Gospel must be preached to all nations is a requirement before the end time comes. And this commission is carried out by the elite two witness group. The Great Commission will be completed as the Gentile world overwhelmingly rejects Christ. As last and formal worship of Jehovah stops 30 days before the two witnesses complete their mission and Wild Beast is set up.

The Two Witnesses that come to prophesy are slain by the Beast and resurrected after 3 1/2 days. This occurs just before the Wild Beast takes over supreme control. The two witnesses will preach the good news of the kingdom in this first time period. It will be a worldwide work, and one filled with works greater than that of Christ. Like Christ, these last two are cut off in the middle of the last week
________________________________________

The Seventh Seal
The Six Trumpets

The Wrath of Satan
(1260 days)

Set up of
Satan’s New World Order

(Matthew 24:15-31 Luke 21:20-*24 Revelation 8:1-9:21 11:15) Second Time Period/42 Months

Satan has been expelled and hurled down to the earth。Christ now rules, but the Kingdom does not become Jehovah’s or his Christ’s until the 7th Trumpet.
Seventh Seal: Silence in Heaven for 1/2 an hour, or 21 months until 1st trumpet is blown. The Nations have been lulled into a sense of false peace and security by this skilled Politician. The call of peace and security may go forward on or before the silence in heaven comes to its end. During this time the instruments of the destruction are being prepared in heaven ready to be poured out on the wild beast and those that’ve accepted his mark.

There is a space of 1/2 hour between Seventh seal and First Trumpet=21 Months?

First Trumpet/ First Bowl: Hail of fire – first plague strikes earth. 1/3 plants die in the destruction。
Second Trumpet/ Second Bowl: Fiery Mountain hurled into sea - 1/3 sea life dies.
Sea turns to blood. 1/3 of sea creatures die, 1/3 of boats destroyed.
Third Trumpet/ Third Bowl: The star Wormwood falls to the earth. 1/3 rivers are poisoned. Many people die from drinking this.
Fourth Trumpet/ Fourth Bowl: 1/3 heavens darkened by smoke and fires.
Fifth Trumpet/ Fifth Bowl: 5 months of torture by locusts. The Kingdom of the wild beast begins to darken. Trumpets 5-7 are the last 3 woes. Jehovah’s people released 110 days before Armageddon.
Sixth Trumpet/ Sixth Bowl: The 200 million man army of the wild beast gets ready to move on in on Babylon to destroy it at the appointed time for its destruction. 1/3 of mankind (another 1.5+ billion people) will be eradicated.

Satan has been expelled. He drags down one third of the Heavens with him to the earth in great rage knowing his time is short, namely, 1260 days or 3.5 years, the same duration as that of his final and last king. In his madness and in his rage he goes forward to wage war on remaining holy ones of God.
144,000 are sealed by God. Holy ones of the remainder of the remnant are taken into the wilderness for the second 3 1/2 years, "On the wings of a giant eagle."


The second 3 1/2 years start with the Abomination of Desolation: The Antichrist invades the holy place of Jehovah and sets himself up as god in the temple in Jerusalem, eliminating all true worship around the world. He occupies and tramples on Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years. This thing is served by a false prophet that forces all on the earth to bow down to it. It performs signs so as to mislead many, even some of Gods holy ones too.

The Antichrist comes to power in this turbulent time as a skilled politician. He is given control of the world's economic and political systems by the 10 nations in hopes that he can bring peace. He takes over and destroys Christian worship around the world. Jehovah’s people go into servitude under the boot heel of Babylon the Great and the Wild Beast for the period of 2300 evenings and mornings or 1150 days This antichrist is also Satan’s mimic kingdom of Gods real one, many will be fooled by it when he arrives believing Gods kingdom is represented through this beast, just after the demise of America and Britain. The World follows this beast with wonderment and awe.

The Mark of the Beast is instituted to represent the force of absolute allegiance to the one world government/religion. Anyone who does not carry this mark cannot buy or sell, and may well perish by means of the Sword.

The Great Harlot, Christianized Rome, embodied by the western countries in false worship, will hand power over to the Beast but will be betrayed by him in a single day of fiery destruction.
The World's armies get ready and prepare to move on in on to Babylon to destroy it. The Wild Beast will send an Army of 200 million men, ruthlessly killing half the world’s population along the way. This is the second last woe.

The Seventh Trumpet
Christ’s Arrival

The Wrath of God

Christ returns
144000 rise to him
Armageddon

Last Time Period. Christ Returns/
(Matthew 24:29-31 1 Corin 15:51-52 1Thess 4:13-17 Revelation 11:15 Revelation16:17-21)


Seventh Trumpet/ Seventh Bowl: Poured out in the air - lightning, hail, and earthquake. Cities of the nations fall
(last trumpet). The 6 bowls of God’s wrath have come to their completion and the 7th is finally poured out, this is the last, it is Armageddon.

The 144000 rise as Christ returns and His kingdom on earth is declared, and the 144000, both those sleeping in the dust and those still alive at sounding of the 7th trumpet are taken up to their places to be Kings and Priests along with Christ for a reign of 1000 years.
The Sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky announcing Christ's return... Every person on earth will see Christ as He returns, and begin to beat themselves in lamentation and fall out of fear for what is about to occur.

The remnant of Israel will rise to Christ in an instant.

The seventh bowl is poured out on the beast's kingdom and mankind as a judgment on those who have received his mark. This is definitely the last. The finish of Gods anger.

Christ destroys the world's armies at Armageddon. Blood will come up to the horse’s bridles for 200 miles as Christ slays some millions of troops and saves Israel his people from annihilation.
The Wild Beast along with the False Prophet that serves it are destroyed, Christ abysses Satan for the 1000 year period in which he will reign


Christ’s Marriage in Heaven

Christ begins his thousand year reign over the earth.

After the Millennium

Satan is released once more to lead Gog and Magog against Israel and is defeated once and for all time.
The Great White Throne Judgment separates those who are in the book of Life from those who rejected Christ. The wicked are finally destroyed.
The old universe passes away with a roar and a new heaven and earth are created.
The New Jerusalem, the eternal city, comes down out of heaven. Eternal future begins. The tent of God will indeed be with mankind, and they will indeed be his peoples. Harmony is restored, and Jehovah once again, becomes all things to all those that love him.


Summary


The General Tribulation covers the entire 7 years.
The Great Tribulation is the second 3 1/2 years.
The Day of the Jehovah begins when Jesus Christ rules in heaven after Satan’s expulsion.
The first 3 1/2 years ends in death, the second 3 1/2 ends in resurrection = 7 years for Jehovah’s perfect plan.



I challege the readers to read for themselves, and take NONE of the above as truth. For example, try HARD to find one word about the first seal that gives even a hint of something evil. Next, read very carefully the vision of the throne room. Why? It is the context of the first seal. Try to answer these questions about the vison:
1) Why was Jesus not immediately seen at the right hand of the Father? Stephen saw Him there many years before.
2) Why was "no man found?" One would think, 60 years after Jesus rose, that He would have immediately been found - at the right hand of the Father - - but wait!! He was NOT at Father's right hand!!
3) Why was the Holy Spirit there IN the throne room, when Jesus said that as soon as He ascended, He would send Him down?

Next, examine closely what John saw: Jesus was NOT there, then suddenly He WAS there.
Answer: you see, John got to see, in vision form, the very moment that Jesus ascended into the throne room! Probably right after telling Mary not to hold onto Him for He had not yet ascended. So John is seeing what happened in heaven, about 60 years earlier in his life, when he was with the others behind closed doors in the upper room! This was a vision out of John's past! He was seeing into a time BEFORE Jesus rose from the dead. That is why no man was found. That is why the Holy Spirit was still there. That is why Jesus was not seen at the Father's right hand: He had not gotten there yet!

And what was the first thing Jesus did upon arriving? He got the scroll and started breaking the seals!! So the first 5 seals were broken about 33 AD.. Plain and simple. Believe it!!

Oh! You might as well ignore the rest of Elijah Return's post too, for it is mostly just man's theories - and as far off from truth as the seals.

Coop
 

lecoop

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What you have written is from Satan. John wrote this book in about 90 ad, Jesus dies some 60 years earlier?????? and the book of revelation is written for the time of the end, just as most the the books are, so where your reasoning comes from, I don't know???? but that kind of reasoning misleads, but woe to the one that does it, as it will be better if a millstone be put around his neck and cast into the sea.....but, anyone who is clued up and can see, can see we are nearing the time of Christs presence soon.

If all these things have happened as you so foolishly declare, then there leaves nothing to be fulfilled, and we, more than most, that are awaiting these things to occur are, as Paul says, to be pitied more than most.

What you have said is from satan

Amazing how confusing some people can be, when all they need to do is read without their preconceived glasses. Did I miss a huge part of history class, or did Jesus die somehwere around 32 to 24 AD? It is a simple fact: ALL of the book of Revelation is NOT about the future, nor was it all about the future to John, in 95 AD. For example, the 7 churches he was to write to, all existed in 95 AD, but have long since gone. In chapter 12, the first five verses, we see God giving John another "history lesson" about when Jesus was born, so this was about 1 BC to 1 AD, give or take a year or two. So it is not at all wrong to take what is written at face value: no man was found worthy, because at that moment, NO MAN was worthy, for Jesus had not yet become the redeemer!

Perhaps the angels were not good at their search? Perhaps they just missed Jesus because he was napping or something? No no no!! They did a very complete search, and that search ended in failure, and John KNEW it ended in failure, which is the very reason why he was weeping. No, the truth is, Jesus had not yet ascended to become the redeemer yet. It is plain and simple, without preconceived glasses.

I will give a little help here: the entire 70th week, which begins at the 7th seal, is still AHEAD of us, FUTURE to us, as is the 6th seal, which is the warning that the 70th week and Day of the Lord are about to being. So there is much still in our future: two seals, all seven trumpets, and all 7 vials.

Fro the readers: beware of doctrines of men

Coop
 

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Elijah returns, who are all these people you are quoting from in your many posts? Do you write any of your own material?
 

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Sorry, but the six seals to the 7th trumpet is the entire 70th week. It is a week of 7 years whereby the last two witnesses are cut off in the middle of the first half, then the Antichrist rises at the last half of the week.

Soon, we will enter this period of the last 7 years, or 70th week, of this earth before Christs kingdom comes at the 7th trumpet.

The first half, as jesus said will be marred by persecutions, wars which see eradication of 1/4 of the earths population, famine, disease and natural disaster lead to the collapse of the system we are in now..the collapse of Britain and america is the mortal head wound on the 7th head. This is just the beginning of the end begining....and the end time, lasts for 3.5 years only:
Look at these quotes again from Peter Goodgame: You can also read Don Koenigs essay on this.

In order to understand how the events of Revelation relate to the 70th Week of Daniel it is crucial to understand when the ministry of the Two Witnesses takes place. The 70th Week is divided in half by the Abomination of Desolation, creating two equal halves of exactly three and a half years (also shown as 42 months, or 1260 days).

I. First we will examine the latter half of the 70th Week and show how it is highly unlikely that the 1260 day ministry of the Two Witnesses encompasses any part of it.


The last two witnesses do not figure into last part of this week as it is devoted solely to the antichrist:

A. Antichrist given power over the saints.


The latter half of the 70th Week begins with the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation in the rebuilt Jewish Temple by a future Roman leader. Jesus predicted this event in Matthew 24:15-21 and He warns the Jews to flee to the desert when they see this occur. He describes the time after the Abomination as a time of "great distress, unequalled from the beginning of the world until now - and never to be equalled again." This time will be the most terrible time of tribulation ever because this is when the Mark of the Beast will be enforced, and all who refuse to take it will be killed. The latter half of the 70th Week corresponds with Revelation 13:5-10,

The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. He who has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

During this time the Antichrist is given authority over virtually the entire world. The saints on the earth will either be taken into captivity, killed, or be forced to flee. The Antichrist is given authority over every person within his kingdom, but not over every place. There will be a protected area in the mountainous desert of southern Jordan (Daniel 11:41). It is to this refuge where the Jewish remnant of Revelation 12:6-17 will flee. They are protected for the entire last half of the 70th Week, also shown as 1260 days (12:6).

Jesus uses very stern language in His description in Matthew 24:15-21 because this is a time when God Himself grants the Antichrist the power to take over the world and to persecute the saints. The prophet Daniel echoes Revelation 13:5-10 in his description of the last half of the 70th Week,

He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time. (Daniel 7:25)

Daniel and Revelation are both clear that the last half of the 70th Week is a time in which the Antichrist is given power and authority over the saints who are in his kingdom. Jerusalem is the center of the Antichrist's religious empire, and it is inconceivable that the Antichrist would allow the Two Witnesses, these two mighty saints, to continue in their ministry during the very same time period when he is given authority over all the saints. Because of this, we can be certain that the ministry of the Two Witnesses does not include any part of the last half of the 70th Week.




The last part is also the trampling of the nations as quoted by Luke, and Luke is the only book that uses this term of reference, this comes at a time when Christ and God his father are overwhelmingly rejected in favour of the Antichrist and his one world religion:

B. Jerusalem trampled on by the Gentiles for forty-two months.


Revelation 11 begins by setting forth two time periods. First we are told that the Gentiles will trample on the holy city of Jerusalem for forty-two months (11:2). This must obviously refer to the last half of the 70th Week, because the first half of the 70th Week is a time when Israel controls the city and the Temple priests are going about their duties of sacrifice and offering. The "trampling" of Jerusalem by the Gentiles refers to the last half of the 70th Week, a time when the Antichrist takes over the Temple and the city, eventually making Jerusalem his capital (Daniel 11:45).

The ministry of the Two Witnesses could not include any part of the time period when the city is trampled on by the Gentiles because wherever they go they have the power to destroy any enemy that seeks to harm them (Revelation 11:5). Wherever they go, they would in effect create a "trample-free zone." (Indeed the only "trampling" that might take place during the ministry of the Two Witnesses would be done by the enemies of the Two Witnesses as they trampled each other in their rush to get out of the Two Witnesses' way!) The ministry of the Two Witnesses stands in the way of any Gentile takeover of the city of Jerusalem. If the forty-two month period of Gentile rule over Jerusalem is the last half of the 70th Week, then the 1260 day ministry of the Two Witnesses must occur during the first half of the 70th Week.


The purpose and ministry of the last two witnesses in first half of the 70th week when christ opens the first of six seals which leads to our present systems collapse and rise of the 8th and last king that comes out of the previous 7:

III. The purpose of the ministry of the Two Witnesses

There are a few prophetic models which are dependant upon the Two Witnesses ministering during the last half of the 70th Week. The question that must be raised is: What would be the purpose of a ministry during this time period? The Antichrist has taken over the Temple and the city, the remnant has fled to the mountains, and the Mark of the Beast is being enforced. Who would the Two Witnesses preach to? Every citizen of the Beast's kingdom is forced to take the Mark of the Beast or is killed, or else forced into hiding. There would be no one to preach to except for those who have taken the Mark, and they are beyond help, having made their eternal decision to serve the Beast. Preaching to these people is useless.

On the other hand, if the Two Witnesses minister during the first half of the 70th Week, they have much to say and an audience that needs their wisdom on a number of important issues. Their ministry includes "prophecy" (11:3) and "testimony" (11:7) and could cover many crucial topics.

1. They could testify against the "covenant" that has been made between Israel and the Roman prince (Daniel 9:27). Isaiah refers to this covenant as one made with "death" and "hell" that is based on "lies" and "falsehoods" (Isaiah 28:15), and the Two Witnesses could alert Israel to these facts.

2. They could testify against the animal sacrifices taking place in the Temple. In Isaiah 66 God compares the sacrifices to murder and compares them to an offering of pig's blood, an animal that is unclean and unacceptable according to Mosaic Law. The Two Witnesses could remind Israel that the ultimate sacrifice has already been made through the death of the Messiah and that they are offending God through their irrelevant offerings.

3. They could warn Israel of the coming Temple takeover and the blasphemy soon to take place by the Antichrist. They could echo Jesus' words of warning for the Jews to flee from Israel at the sight of the Abomination.

4. They could prophesy on a number of issues, perhaps even revealing the message of the Seven Thunders of Revelation 10:4.

Admittedly, no one knows the exact message that will be given by the Two Witnesses because it is not specified in Scripture. However, the points that have been made above do provide common sense reasons which favor a pre-Abomination ministry of the Two Witnesses.


IV. The importance of the ministry of the Two Witnesses as it relates to the Seventieth Week and the chronology of Revelation.

The conclusion of the Red Moon Rapture position is that the Two Witnesses do indeed minister in the first half of the 70th Week, beginning on the day the "covenant" of Daniel 9:27 is initiated, and continuing for 1260 days until the day that the Temple is taken over by the forces of the Antichrist, setting up the Abomination. The Two Witnesses are then killed on that very day by the Antichrist, which is the first day he is given power over the saints.

Three and a half days after the Two Witnesses are killed they are resurrected by God and taken up into heaven. At this time there is a severe earthquake in Jerusalem. Revelation 11:14 then reads, "The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon." Referring to Revelation 8:13 we learn that the Three Woes refer to the 5th, 6th and 7th Trumpet judgements. The Second Woe is the 6th Trumpet judgement, the demonic invasion of the 200 million which is responsible for the deaths of a third of humanity. At the time of the resurrection of the Two Witnesses, three and a half days after the midpoint of the 70th Week, we find that the 6th Trumpet judgement has ended.

This fact creates a benchmark within the 70th Week of Daniel and within the judgements of Revelation. From this we know that the seven Seals are opened, and the first six Trumpets are blown, prior to the resurrection of the Two Witnesses, which is three and a half days after the midpoint of Daniel's 70th Week.

The above conclusion is reinforced by the very clear chronology of the book of Revelation itself. Chapter 6 begins with the Seal judgements, Chapters 8 and 9 deal with the first six Trumpet judgements, then Chapter 11 deals with the ministry of the Two Witnesses, which concludes with their death at the midpoint of the 70th Week, and their subsequent resurrection. Revelation 11:14 then gives the information that the 6th Trumpet judgement has ended, which is indeed the very last judgement that was described, back in 9:13-21.

Chapters 6-10 are all pre-Abomination, then Chapters 11, 12 and 13 deal with the midpoint events of the deaths of the Two Witnesses, the flight of the Jewish remnant, and the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation, respectively. The concluding Bowl judgements are then dealt with in Chapter 16. The chronology of Revelation should be, for the most part at least, understood in the order in which it was written.



So, as goodgame rightly points out the difficulty in resolving how the 70th week looks has been pointed out:

II. An impossible situation resolved.

We have already shown how the Antichrist is given power over all the saints for the entire last half of the 70th Week, and when we look at the ministry of the Two Witnesses we see that they, too, are given power over any that seek to harm them. The question then is: Who wins? Would the Antichrist defeat the Two Witnesses because he is given power over all the saints, or would the Two Witnesses defeat the Antichrist because they have the power to destroy their enemies? There is no satisfactory answer to this question except to conclude that we are dealing with two separate time periods. During the first half of the 70th Week the Two Witnesses carry out their ministry for the full 1260 days, then, at the midpoint of the 70th Week, the power that these saints have been granted expires. This is the exact same time when the Antichrist is then given his power over all the saints, and he first uses this power by exterminating his two most hated enemies. Revelation 11:7 reads,

Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.

The time of the ministry of the Two Witnesses, during which they are given power over their enemies, may not overlap the time during which the Antichrist is given power over his enemies. The Two Witnesses minister in the first half of the 70th Week and the Antichrist rules during the last half of the 70th Week.




Amazing how confusing some people can be, when all they need to do is read without their preconceived glasses. Did I miss a huge part of history class, or did Jesus die somehwere around 32 to 24 AD? It is a simple fact: ALL of the book of Revelation is NOT about the future, nor was it all about the future to John, in 95 AD. For example, the 7 churches he was to write to, all existed in 95 AD, but have long since gone. In chapter 12, the first five verses, we see God giving John another "history lesson" about when Jesus was born, so this was about 1 BC to 1 AD, give or take a year or two. So it is not at all wrong to take what is written at face value: no man was found worthy, because at that moment, NO MAN was worthy, for Jesus had not yet become the redeemer!

Perhaps the angels were not good at their search? Perhaps they just missed Jesus because he was napping or something? No no no!! They did a very complete search, and that search ended in failure, and John KNEW it ended in failure, which is the very reason why he was weeping. No, the truth is, Jesus had not yet ascended to become the redeemer yet. It is plain and simple, without preconceived glasses.

I will give a little help here: the entire 70th week, which begins at the 7th seal, is still AHEAD of us, FUTURE to us, as is the 6th seal, which is the warning that the 70th week and Day of the Lord are about to being. So there is much still in our future: two seals, all seven trumpets, and all 7 vials.

Fro the readers: beware of doctrines of men

Coop
 

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I challege the readers to read for themselves, and take NONE of the above as truth. For example, try HARD to find one word about the first seal that gives even a hint of something evil. Next, read very carefully the vision of the throne room. Why? It is the context of the first seal. Try to answer these questions about the vison:
1) Why was Jesus not immediately seen at the right hand of the Father? Stephen saw Him there many years before.
2) Why was "no man found?" One would think, 60 years after Jesus rose, that He would have immediately been found - at the right hand of the Father - - but wait!! He was NOT at Father's right hand!!
3) Why was the Holy Spirit there IN the throne room, when Jesus said that as soon as He ascended, He would send Him down?

Next, examine closely what John saw: Jesus was NOT there, then suddenly He WAS there.
Answer: you see, John got to see, in vision form, the very moment that Jesus ascended into the throne room! Probably right after telling Mary not to hold onto Him for He had not yet ascended. So John is seeing what happened in heaven, about 60 years earlier in his life, when he was with the others behind closed doors in the upper room! This was a vision out of John's past! He was seeing into a time BEFORE Jesus rose from the dead. That is why no man was found. That is why the Holy Spirit was still there. That is why Jesus was not seen at the Father's right hand: He had not gotten there yet!

And what was the first thing Jesus did upon arriving? He got the scroll and started breaking the seals!! So the first 5 seals were broken about 33 AD.. Plain and simple. Believe it!!

Oh! You might as well ignore the rest of Elijah Return's post too, for it is mostly just man's theories - and as far off from truth as the seals.

Coop
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Although I dont agree with everything in Elijah returns post you are wrong here coop we have debated this before the first white horse is a fake Christ that comes to conquer for the sake of conquering it has everything to do with evil the fact he is also on a white horse is because he is claiming to be christ but he is the fake Antichrist
you are told in 2 thess. he must come first.

Elijah returns, who are all these people you are quoting from in your many posts? Do you write any of your own material?
Agreed Jerry Elijah would get much further talking for himself
 

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Yes I do jerry, why are folks like you who say they are Christian just be abusive and attack others...very Christian...shows where you are coming from.
I am in no church
I support no government
Have no permanent home
subscribe to nothing and no one on this earth
don't allowed myself to be drilled in the ways of this world
In fact have no dealings with it at all................
you should try it......switch off your tv, do your own research, get to know your neighbors, see people as they really are. There is no them and us.
Mark Twain said don't let your education interfere with your education
There is no separateness in the world, those that lend themselves to it lend themselves to be enslaved too.
You are obviously american, and they have this brash rule the world and dominate other attitude...i feel very sorry and pity you for that...
but I read the bible as it is, learn from no man....but we are in the time now when many are roving back and forward searching and seeking the truth of Gods word for the time we live in (Daniel 12:4)
And quoting others just shows how others are thinking, what they too are seeing as things unfold in the scope of things...........King Solomon said, "as iron sharpens Iron, so is one mans face against another", meaning we can all learn from other people.

Elijah returns, who are all these people you are quoting from in your many posts? Do you write any of your own material?
 

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Yes I do jerry, why are folks like you who say they are Christian just be abusive and attack others...very Christian...shows where you are coming from.
I am in no church
I support no government
Have no permanent home
subscribe to nothing and no one on this earth
don't allowed myself to be drilled in the ways of this world
In fact have no dealings with it at all................
you should try it......switch off your tv, do your own research, get to know your neighbors, see people as they really are. There is no them and us.
Mark Twain said don't let your education interfere with your education
There is no separateness in the world, those that lend themselves to it lend themselves to be enslaved too.
You are obviously american, and they have this brash rule the world and dominate other attitude...i feel very sorry and pity you for that...
but I read the bible as it is, learn from no man....but we are in the time now when many are roving back and forward searching and seeking the truth of Gods word for the time we live in (Daniel 12:4)
And quoting others just shows how others are thinking, what they too are seeing as things unfold in the scope of things...........King Solomon said, "as iron sharpens Iron, so is one mans face against another", meaning we can all learn from other people.


A little test aren't you? I just asked about the people you are quoting and if you write any of your own material? It is not an attack. I don't think you have shared your own material but have just quoted others. You haven't even documented your sources. That is one of the rules of modern society. I'll give up my TV when you give up your computer. Yes, I am an American, and proud of it. Where do you think most of the world gets its food and who do you think the world looks to first when there is a disaster? I will also say I am not happy with our leadership right now trying to turn us from a capitalist country to a socialist country.
 

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<<Snipped.>> I have studied this material and wrote my own for over 10 years. I was a Jehovah witness, but they don't have the truth, like all other religions its a society built on lies, the real good news is still to come. I re-studied the bible since 1997, even when I was a jw I knew it was all wrong....150000 leave their ranks each year now, and not only for false prophecy, but child abuse, their role in politics and the united nations, ceramic weapons development technology....the list goes on and on and on...
Christ is the rider at the first seal, and this can be compared with psalms 45.
You wont be such a bigot for long when the dollar collapses soon and launches us into the bloodiest era of human history...I doubt anybody looks to america, you are a nation of loud mouths, and always wanting to dominate other people and their countries..but thats all over, you were right about one thing only, socialism is coming, and that is the Antichrist, which comes at the second half of the last week.
I would tale a look at Alex Jones on prison planet....
Hope you are right when these things do come to pass because then you will have nothing to fear.....and real Christians don't attack people as you do.

A little test aren't you? I just asked about the people you are quoting and if you write any of your own material? It is not an attack. I don't think you have shared your own material but have just quoted others. You haven't even documented your sources. That is one of the rules of modern society. I'll give up my TV when you give up your computer. Yes, I am an American, and proud of it. Where do you think most of the world gets its food and who do you think the world looks to first when there is a disaster? I will also say I am not happy with our leadership right now trying to turn us from a capitalist country to a socialist country.