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The queen sends letters to people every year whom she wouldnt know from a bar of soap. Reading the bible is no relationship, just human pride.
Jesus loves you enough he gave Himself to you, is He not enough, even God loves you enough He gave you His Spirit to teach you, will HE also be ignored, or is is like most you dont desire that life,
Joh_5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
or is it you will refuse the invitation,
Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
but who needs there husband the bible is better, isnt it.
@Tong2020
something to do with
Mat_25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat_25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
" we know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time"
Romans clearly teaches that the animal kingdom and the entire universe experienced a universal death sentence at the time of Adam’s fall in Genesis 3.
How can you say this did not effect the universe? It's the whole reason there is decay and chaos instead of perfect order. Christ's death and resurrection will ultimately restore that order.
Wow - like the ancient quote: Give me a lever long enough, and I (myself in my own power) will mover the earth!
(because of the great leverage possible with a long lever.... )
So also, a tiny , little, seemingly smallest of sin, (at times), can destroy a life, faith, hope, and salvation of many.
(because of the great leverage possible with a long lever.... )
So also, a tiny , little, seemingly smallest of sin, (at times), can destroy a life, faith, hope, and salvation of many.
I have received Jesus as my Lord and Saviour.
As His minister, I am called to preach His word (2 Timothy 4:2).
That is the bottom line.
So you are not going to discourage me from ministering His word to people.
People respect the Bible as being the word of God; and all of it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16).
I respect your opinion and I thank you for wanting to win me to Christ. I assure you that His Spirit bears witness with my spirit that I am His child. And therefore I do not need to be won. I am His and He is mine. I am one of His sheep.
As for you, my exhortation to you is that devils often come attempting to mimic the voice of Jesus. So my advice to you is that you not believe every spirit that speaks with you, but that you test the spirits to see whether they are of the Lord or not. If any spirit shall confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, that spirit is of God. If any spirit will not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, that spirit is not of God. I have found that demons know how to get around even this test these days, so that you have to listen for a while before you can discern that they are false. As soon as a spirit says something that is contrary to the word of God, you can determine that that spirit is a devil. They will eventually expose themselves if you listen long enough and know your word; because it is their purpose and intention to lie to you about something. The Bible is our safeguard, therefore, against being deceived by seducing spirits and doctrines of devils (see 1 Timothy 4:1).
And for the nth time, an Ad Hominem again. I wonder if this is allowed or tolerated in this forum, as it seems that this just slips through each and every Ad Hominem time. Well,... Christians are expected to know how to behave themselves properly anyway.
As I said, if we go with scriptures, in Genesis 9:5, not only it speaks of the man who commits homicide, but even the of the beast that killed a man. And in both cases their respective life is required. That the life of the beast is required tells us one thing there. That the man is a special creature, unique from the rest. Such can be learned in Genesis 1 and 2, as God made mankind (in contrast to his making of other creature kind) in his own image. Now, that is not homicide. In Gen. 9:6, it says:
"Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man."
Now, that speaks of homicide. And as was already said in verse 5, the penalty is death. The life is required of him who killed. Why? Verse 6 seems to say it's because God made mankind in His image. But there seems to be more than that, for the killer is a man and not now a beast. And this killer is the same kind as that one killed, whose life is required. If the penalty of life is by reason that God made mankind in His image, then why require the life of the killer who is also a man? So, in Genesis 9:6, the saying "For in the image of God He made man." tell us more. Besides, the phrase "For in the image of God He made man" could be referring to why "By man" the killer's blood shall be shed.
Anyway, what is clear is that, Genesis 9:6 is not a passage that declares that fallen mankind is in the image of God, nor is a passage that refutes the fact that fallen mankind is in the image of God no longer.
Tong
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Of course you can believe and say that anytime. But saying that is not a refutation. And having given you more than enough opportunity to refute, and you have not done so even now, then it means that you can't refute that Jesus is the Almighty God and is a truth that is in scriptures. Case closed then.
Those words are not used in scriptures. But that does not take away the truth that there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, in scriptures who are spoken to be distinct persons; and the truth that the Father is God, that the Son is God, that the Holy Spirit is God; and the truth that there is only one God.
And here you go appealing to human wisdom. Did I not tell you repeatedly, "if we let scriptures speak the truth to us, and rely in the words of God instead of human wisdom, it can't be denied that the Christ is the Lord ~ Yahweh, the almighty God." That is what's hindering you in seeing the truth in scriptures about God's nature. And now, you want me to explain using human wisdom about the things of the Spirit of God written in scriptures? I hope you won't ask me to explain without violating your human reasoning and logical thinking, how water turned to wine, or how Jesus resurrected from the dead, or how the virgin Mary conceived.
But let me just make these comments. On the god-man, I do not use such term. Perhaps you are referring to Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh ~ John 1:1-3, 14. That Jesus is man. And perhaps there is no need for me to show you that scriptures teach this. But if you want, just say so. That Jesus is God. And I have already shown you in scriptures, and for which you have not refuted, so that, the issue on that is closed (see the very top segment of this post).
On the trinity or triune nature of God. That there is only one God (Isaiah 44:6). That the Father is God (John 6:27). That the Son is God. I have already shown you in scriptures, and for which you have not refuted, so that, the issue on that is closed (see the very top segment of this post). That the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4). The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit ~ the one and only God.
As to why it was needed that God became man (incarnation), here's what I can say. It was according to God's wisdom, will, purpose, pleasure, and glory. There are many things said in scriptures that God had done through Jesus Christ, which He could not have done any other way as perfectly, effectively, victoriously, graciously, and gloriously. I would be citing practically all the books of the NT scriptures that speaks about those things. But you can start with the scriptures in the book of Hebrews. Whether this would be to your logical satisfaction, I don't know. That is up to you.
Tong
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It is not what the Bible teaches. No where are the terms god-man, God the Son, incarnate, two-in-one natures, ... found in the Bible.
That was deliberate act of God that caused pain in child bearing, thorns and thistles to grow from the earth, man to earn his food by the sweat of his brow. These were not intrinsic ramifications of sin, they were a penalty prescribed by God. As much as the prohibition to eat from the Tree of Good & Evil was not inherently evil, as eating fruit is not wicked, but disobedience was the crime. In other words, God could have chosen any penalty that He liked, the sin itself did not decide the repercussions, thus forcing God to intervene and rectify the situation. And therefore, the blood of Bull and goats were sufficient to absolve men during the Old Covenant, when irrefutably, their blood has no efficacy whatsoever. God merely deemed it so.
Animal
I still think that you're insane!
Animals may kill indiscriminately, even a human, without being held accountable. This is because they are not created in the image of God, and thus, do not have a conscience to know right from wrong. They may even do something that they know will will elicit disapproval from their master, or from another animal, and yet, no crime. Image of God means constitution, not moral status.
I still think that you're insane!
the animal was killed because it posed a continuous threat. For even when it killed another beast, and was know to gorge other animals, it was put to death. But, they were not guilty out in the wild, as a man would still be and even hunted down (city of refuge). But the animal was put down when it threatened a man's property or livelihood.
Did I not repeatedly tell you that if your conclusion makes no sense, then your exegesis is wrong?
It seems possible that that is not necessarily (logically) true.
Someone's exegesis might be "perfectly" fine, but if they started with a flaw, an error, something not right and true,
or if an error unknown to them came in (like the foxes eating the little new buds in the garden?) ,
then in spite of their "perfect" exegesis, they would have possibly even a huge error/ conclusion. (this happens a lot - big errors - because of faulty information - on this forum and all others open to the public) ....
Even if it killed one person, it was to be put to death.
Genesis 9:5 - Bible Gateway
www . biblegateway.com/verse/en/Genesis 9:5
I will demand the life of any person who kills another person. NABRE Indeed for your own lifeblood I will demand an accounting: from every animal I will demand it, and from a human being, each one for the blood of another, I will demand an accounting for human life.
Nope, wrong!
" it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins,” Hebrews 10:4The real goal of the sin offering was ritual purification. When it comes to the Levitical sacrifice itself, the point was not absolution, but acceptability for entering God’s presence.
Intentional violations of the moral law of God fell into two broad categories and were dealt with accordingly: those for which there was no remedy, resulting in capital punishment, and those for which restitution was required. For the latter, Old Testament law called for reparations to victims to restore the offender.
Old Testament sacrifices could not provide release from spiritual and moral guilt.
In fact one was justified under the old covenant by faith, not by the sacrificial system.
Where's the error here? They Scriptures do not have errors, therefore, solely his exegesis is incorrect. We're all using the same text, and yet, one concludes on thing, while another concludes something else. It is their exegesis that is in question.
Yes, in that verse that was the implication. I was alluding more to Leviticus. But, either way, both underscore my point, homicide deserves capital punishment because man is created in God's image. That is, it is the object that is being murdered in this case, as to where the offense to God lies. And, not because killing is necessarily wrong, as in a plant, insect or animal.
I did not note the error. I simply noted that someones method might be "fine", but the results wrong, if they got some wrong information - (that's my intent anyway)
like when someone said pia was someone's wife, and without realizing it was a wrong fact, I may have repeated it in a couple posts today. It did look to me from different posts and even another forum that she was his wife.... I did not know better.
Now there is a resurgence of the arian heresy, which surprises me a lot -
the heresy claiming that Jesus is not God. This is totally a heresy, and opposed to all Scripture, as noted centuries ago and thru history up to the present time (I thought)....
Did someone decide heresy is okay today ?
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