Christmas Good Or Bad?

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Im very nice to people whiteknuckle and i have respect for others views on here but the fact remains that the bible forbids idolitry. Exodus 4:4 , Exodus 4:5, Exodus 4:6, Leviticus 26:1, Deuteronomy 4:15, Deuteronomy 4:16, Deuteronomy 4:17, Deuteronomy 4:18, Deuteronomy 27:15, Psalms 97:7.

Think about what people celebrate christmas with, we decorate our trees with little turtle doves and have the image of santa clause that we just must have evry year. We put a star on our tree even though gods word says not to. We exchange gifts out of greed and look forward to going out and shopping and spending hundreds of dollers evry year. Even though gods word forbids to be greedy. Think about the discrace that god looks down upon evry christmas and sees his children beleiving in santa and elves. You know santa spells Satan...................its not a councidence that satan is involved with christmas.

God bless and i pray that you learn the truth freind.


I don't know about you and all others, but I don't worship Santa or a tree or anything but God. I also know that December 25th is not Christ's birthday but is Christ's conception date. It is the date when God began to dwell with man in human form. For that reason it is a special day, and a day we can give glory to God. Christ is God's gift to us, given on December 25, some 2000 years ago. That might cause some people to celebrate and give gifts to others. Why not!
 

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I don't know about you and all others, but I don't worship Santa or a tree or anything but God. I also know that December 25th is not Christ's birthday but is Christ's conception date. It is the date when God began to dwell with man in human form. For that reason it is a special day, and a day we can give glory to God. Christ is God's gift to us, given on December 25, some 2000 years ago. That might cause some people to celebrate and give gifts to others. Why not!
I'm with you - why not.
I'm not giving a present out of greed and I don't get in debt at all - don't have or worship or idolize any tree or lights or images of Santa.
Everyday I worship Jesus. So, I don't need an imaginary date of His Blessed Birth.

gumby, I tend to feel your posts are misplaced here with us ---now, if you wrote an editorial in your local newspaper it would seem more fitting.
There are many people out in the malls that might benefit from your views which are indeed valid. Many people need to hear what
you are saying as
they are fretting about their credit cards and putting up their obilgatory trees. We here, I think, have our priorities straight.

Thank you.
 

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Gumby is right. Every way that Gumby see's Christmas, and views the idolatry, he's absolutely right. But, that's his view, and how he see's it. So, he's right.

But, those of us who aren't "worshiping" santa, or teaching our kids to believe in Santa are right too. It's all relative to a persons views and their actions.
 
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John 4:24 (KJV) "They that worship Him [God] must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

This Christmas season is historically based upon the winter solstice and associated paganology. Christ's actual birth was in the fall, as can be seen in Scripture, and the popularized Dec. 21st. date was Emperor Constantine's attempt to attract pagans into his newly approved "christian religion" by supplanting the birthdate of their pagan dieties on Dec. 21st by calling it Christ's birthdate.

God is not pleased when His servants try to worship Christ in error, rather than in Truth as John 4:24 commands. Those who are in this error must repent, i.e. "change their thinking," so as to not further grieve God.

Let's see who has the Christian character to be corrected by God's Word, and who will just make excuses in order to be stubborn.
 

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John 4:24 (KJV) "They that worship Him [God] must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

This Christmas season is historically based upon the winter solstice and associated paganology. Christ's actual birth was in the fall, as can be seen in Scripture, and the popularized Dec. 21st. date was Emperor Constantine's attempt to attract pagans into his newly approved "christian religion" by supplanting the birthdate of their pagan dieties on Dec. 21st by calling it Christ's birthdate.

God is not pleased when His servants try to worship Christ in error, rather than in Truth as John 4:24 commands. Those who are in this error must repenmt, i.e. "change their thinking," so as to not further grieve God.

Let's see who has the Christian character to be corrected by God's Word, and who will just make excuses in order to be stubborn.


yes tku for your post,it is so true about this worldy thing that most christians justify out of there make belielf.the funny thing is they go around tilling people they have to accept jesus and live in his light to be saved and they run fast after this pagan thing called xmas and easter..i find alot of good people out here that will not have anything to do with the word of god and jesus because of christians that run around with there own ways to get to heaven..its a sad thing in gods eyes how we mislead others..i know in the twinkle of the eye when we are pure in all things we will be able to believe what we hear and trust each other...
 

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yes tku for your post,it is so true about this worldy thing that most christians justify out of there make belielf.the funny thing is they go around tilling people they have to accept jesus and live in his light to be saved and they run fast after this pagan thing called xmas and easter..i find alot of good people out here that will not have anything to do with the word of god and jesus because of christians that run around with there own ways to get to heaven..its a sad thing in gods eyes how we mislead others..i know in the twinkle of the eye when we are pure in all things we will be able to believe what we hear and trust each other...


Yes, "Running around with their own ideas" says it all.
 

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John 4:24 (KJV) "They that worship Him [God] must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

This Christmas season is historically based upon the winter solstice and associated paganology. Christ's actual birth was in the fall, as can be seen in Scripture, and the popularized Dec. 21st. date was Emperor Constantine's attempt to attract pagans into his newly approved "christian religion" by supplanting the birthdate of their pagan dieties on Dec. 21st by calling it Christ's birthdate.

God is not pleased when His servants try to worship Christ in error, rather than in Truth as John 4:24 commands. Those who are in this error must repent, i.e. "change their thinking," so as to not further grieve God.

Let's see who has the Christian character to be corrected by God's Word, and who will just make excuses in order to be stubborn.

I know Jesus was not born on the 25th of december and that Christmas was a creation of the catholic church trying to take over a pagan celebration.

I still enjoyed a good meal today and had a nice fun day.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 

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All I will say is Romans 14, maybe instead of wasting time condemning everyone, you should spend it trying to win another soul and sowing seeds. There's a very clear difference in the way this topic was approached, and while some people get it, others don't.
 

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All I will say is Romans 14, maybe instead of wasting time condemning everyone, you should spend it trying to win another soul and sowing seeds. There's a very clear difference in the way this topic was approached, and while some people get it, others don't.

Im not here to condem anyone swampfox but none the less all those people who do celebrate christmas on december 25th i do ineed wish a merry christmas. I guess it all boils down to this any holiday will have bad aspects of paanism in it but still how can i fully condem christmas because christ was in it and he was born a humble birth to come and be the savior for all mankind. I dont personally celebrate christmas on december 25th but still have a merry christmas and a happy new year to you and the rest of the CB members :D
 

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All I will say is Romans 14, maybe instead of wasting time condemning everyone, you should spend it trying to win another soul and sowing seeds. There's a very clear difference in the way this topic was approached, and while some people get it, others don't.


I see you depend on a typical little rhetoric device used by Christians and their professionsl pulpit babblers when they cannot address the facts of an issue. When you are cornered by a good question, you and they just try to change the subject to that of "Winning Souls!!" as if you have identified a nigher moral ground to pursue.

Thank you for showing how "believers" like you are weak and impotent regarding life's every day issues, the issue here being the falseness of "Xmas."
 

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I see you depend on a typical little rhetoric device used by Christians and their professionsl pulpit babblers when they cannot address the facts of an issue. When you are cornered by a good question, you and they just try to change the subject to that of "Winning Souls!!" as if you have identified a nigher moral ground to pursue.

Thank you for showing how "believers" like you are weak and impotent regarding life's every day issues, the issue here being the falseness of "Xmas."

As an amateur Christian babbler, regardless if you mind it or not, I am going to reiterate my position. Common, as it happens on the Internet, I believed it to be quite clear, so let me rephrase and add to it, in unambiguous terms.

1st I do hold the belief that most of those who denounce Christmas as pagans, know next to none about the mysteries of Mythras, Saturnalia or the significance of the festivity of Sol Invictus. Or even what Sol Invictus meant for that matter.

2nd The general public know even less.

3rd It is impossible to honor, worship, venerate or praise a god or goddess you don't know nothing about.

4th I can not, at all, care any less about the precise date of the birth of Jesus.

5th To call the Catholic Church as the one who celebrates Christmas is a tendentious fallacy, as it is hidden from the argument that the Eastern Orthodox Christians, do also observe Christmas, though a few days later. Of which, to be honest, I consider of no importance.

6th Furthermore, at that time, there were no denominations as we understand them today. Interestingly enough, for what concern us today, "Catholics" and "Eastern Orthodox" were but one church.

7th Christmas is, ultimately a celebration of God's incarnation, which is precisely what distinguishes Christianity from any other religion.

8th If you don't like the word religion, tell James (1:27)

I am a weak believer, yet I am able to explain my opinions openly. I am certain HammerStone is, at least, as able as mine.
 

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John 4:24 (KJV) "They that worship Him [God] must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

This Christmas season is historically based upon the winter solstice and associated paganology. Christ's actual birth was in the fall, as can be seen in Scripture, and the popularized Dec. 21st. date was Emperor Constantine's attempt to attract pagans into his newly approved "christian religion" by supplanting the birthdate of their pagan dieties on Dec. 21st by calling it Christ's birthdate.

God is not pleased when His servants try to worship Christ in error, rather than in Truth as John 4:24 commands. Those who are in this error must repent, i.e. "change their thinking," so as to not further grieve God.

Let's see who has the Christian character to be corrected by God's Word, and who will just make excuses in order to be stubborn.


What pagan gods? Mars, perhaps? Acoran? (that was the main god in my Island) Demeter? Aphrodite? Jesus? (oh yes, Emperor Julianus included him in the Pantheon, and let him had a nice chat with Julius Caesar, go figure). Mythras? Jupiter? Ahura-Mazda? Vesta?

What happens on December the 21st? I mean, like nowadays.

So if I disagree with you I don't have the Christian character? Excuse me, but I've heard almost the same line from Atheists, Pagans, Republicans, Democrats and even nazis, just change Christian character by your virtue or value of choice.


How do you know the intentions of Constantine? Dead reckoning?
 

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The debate about whether or not Christians should celebrate Christmas has been raging for centuries. There are equally sincere and committed Christians on both sides of the issue, each with multiple reasons why or why not Christmas should be celebrated in Christian homes. But what does the Bible say? Does the Bible give clear direction as to whether Christmas is a holiday to be celebrated by Christians?

First, let’s look at the reasons why Christians do not celebrate Christmas. One argument against Christmas is that the traditions surrounding the holiday have origins in paganism. Searching for reliable information on this topic is difficult because the origins of many of our traditions are so obscure that sources often contradict one another. Bells, candles, holly, and yuletide decorations are mentioned in the history of pagan worship, but the use of such in one’s home certainly does not indicate a return to paganism. While there are definitely pagan roots to some traditions, there are many more traditions associated with the true meaning of Christmas—the birth of the Savior of the world in Bethlehem. Bells are played to ring out the joyous news, candles are lit to remind us that Christ is the Light of the world (John 1:4-9), a star is placed on the top of a Christmas tree to remember the Star of Bethlehem, and gifts are exchanged to remind us of the gifts of the Magi to the baby Jesus, the greatest gift of God to mankind.

Another argument against Christmas, especially having a Christmas tree, is that the Bible forbids bringing trees into our homes and decorating them. The passage often cited is Jeremiah 10:1-16, but this passage refers to cutting down trees, chiseling the wood to make an idol, and then decorating the idol with silver and gold for the purpose of bowing down before it to worship it (see also Isaiah 44:9-18). The passage in Jeremiah cannot be taken out of its context and used to make a legitimate argument against Christmas trees.

Christians who choose to ignore Christmas point to the fact that the Bible doesn’t give us the date of Christ’s birth, which is certainly true. December 25 may not be even close to the time Jesus was born and arguments on both sides are legion, some relating to climate in Palestine, the practices of shepherds in winter, and the dates of Roman census-taking. None of these points is without a certain amount of conjecture, which brings us back to the fact that the Bible doesn’t tell us when Jesus was born. Some see this as proof positive that God didn’t want us to celebrate the birth, while others see the Bible’s silence on the issue as tacit approval.

Some Christians say that since the world celebrates Christmas—although it is becoming more and more politically correct to refer to it as ‘the holidays’—Christians should avoid it. But that is the same argument made by false religions that deny Christ altogether, as well as cults such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses who deny His deity. Those Christians who do celebrate Christmas often see the occasion as an opportunity to proclaim Him as ‘the reason for the season’ among the nations and to those trapped in false religions.

As we have seen, there is no legitimate scriptural reason not to celebrate Christmas. At the same time, there is no biblical mandate to celebrate either. In the end, of course, whether or not to celebrate Christmas is a personal decision. Whatever Christians decide to do regarding Christmas, their views should not be used as a club with which to beat down or denigrate those with opposing views, nor should either view be used as a badge of honor inducing pride over celebrating or not celebrating. As in all things, we seek wisdom from Him who gives it liberally to all who ask (James 1:5), and accept one another in Christian love and grace, regardless of our views on Christmas.
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this is a really good topic because i love Christmas & getting to celebrate Jesus Birthday, but i think it's up to believers if they want to celebrate the secular aspects of Christmas, nobody is forceing them to celebrate the secular aspects, i like the idea of decorateing Christmas trees & getting gifts under the tree from Santa as long as i remember the real reason for the season,
 
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Romans 14:5
One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
 
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this is a really good topic because i love Christmas & getting to celebrate Jesus Birthday, but i think it's up to believers if they want to celebrate the secular aspects of Christmas, nobody is forceing them to celebrate the secular aspects, i like the idea of decorateing Christmas trees & getting gifts under the tree from Santa as long as i remember the real reason for the season,
Hi @shortangel I think also that a believer's geographical origin can also impact on whether s/he appreciates Christmas celebration.

For example, a native English-speaker may be well aware of the Scriptural content of the many traditional carols that are well known and quoted; but someone from overseas may not be.
 

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Ok CB members this year im going to go deep in gods word about christmas concerning the good and bad aspects of it.

Good: it focuses on the birth of jesus

Bad: theres no evidence in the bible to support that jesus was born on december 25th

Good: it focuses on giving to the poor the ultimate gift which is christ

Bad: lots of idolitry in the holiday. Santa clause, elves, christmas trees, mistltoe. All of those things having pagan roots

Conlusion, we dont need a specific date to celebrate the birth of our lord and savior we can do so whenever throught the year we can give christ to the needly at all times of the year not just december 25th. Overall i dont celebrate the holiday because its not commanded to in scripture to celebrate on december 25th. Jeremiah 10:1-4 speaks about the idolitry associated with chrsitmas trees and thats what i want yall to think about this year is the trees and the concept of santa clause............think how degrading that is to our lord. I know this may offend some but i preach out of love and concern for you all.

God bless :)

I really see no problem with the Christmas tree for most people I know don't get down and worship it, nor Santa for that matter, but I make sure I tell the kids Jesus is the reason for the season. Whether Christ was born on Dec 25th really does not matter for we celebrate Him every day all year long.

With all the evil and sin in this world, I find it refreshing once a year for family to get together, share gifts, and thank the Lord for all His blessings. I do also respect that if someone's conscience is bothered by the holiday, I respect that also.
 

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I really see no problem with the Christmas tree for most people I know don't get down and worship it, nor Santa for that matter, but I make sure I tell the kids Jesus is the reason for the season. Whether Christ was born on Dec 25th really does not matter for we celebrate Him every day all year long.

With all the evil and sin in this world, I find it refreshing once a year for family to get together, share gifts, and thank the Lord for all His blessings. I do also respect that if someone's conscience is bothered by the holiday, I respect that also.
Hi @Knightmanj Good to see you on the forums.

A lot of the old Christmas carols have good, Scriptural, Gospel content also...........
 
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