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There is a mighty and growing movement in America to regain our Godly roots upon which America has been founded as a nation. In opposition are those who question or deny our Christian heritage. In order to face the denial of America's historic Christian heritage we must have the facts in hand.

What are the specific places in Scripture which have provided America's Godly Foundation? Let us be ready to discuss this using God's authority in this day of rampant secular Godlessness.
 

gumby

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Well a good place to start with atheist people is Psalms 14:1 and Psalms 53:1. Also Romans 1:19 and Romans 1:20 explain a great deal as well.

God bless :)
 

Shelli

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Well a good place to start with atheist people is Psalms 14:1 and Psalms 53:1. Also Romans 1:19 and Romans 1:20 explain a great deal as well.

God bless :)

Yes. These three verses are indeed wonderful to keep in mind when thinking or chatting about proof of God's existence with secular people.

Can you share with us what they have to do with America's Founding Principles, and why they are a "good place to start" when discussing the topic of this thread?

God bless. :)
 

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Yes. These three verses are indeed wonderful to keep in mind when thinking or chatting about proof of God's existence with secular people.

Can you share with us what they have to do with America's Founding Principles, and why they are a "good place to start" when discussing the topic of this thread?

God bless. :)

Well you mentioned in your first post how america is becoming godless and has lost its roots, read the back of a coin our four fathers founded this nation on good christian values. The first step we need to do is confront the people that are trying to take gods word out of our system. There are atheist and people of other religions out there that hate us just because we beleive in christ.
 

Shelli

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Well you mentioned in your first post how america is becoming godless and has lost its roots, read the back of a coin our four fathers founded this nation on good christian values. The first step we need to do is confront the people that are trying to take gods word out of our system. There are atheist and people of other religions out there that hate us just because we beleive in christ.


It is so wonderful that you are diligently trying to serve our Lord and Savior with your testimony and with your personal ideas.

However, it is not really "the first step" to "confront" Godless people when addressing the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is to identify those "Godly Principles" upon which our nation is founded. Do you know exactly what are those founding "good Christian values" which you said exist? Go ahead, and name 5 of them, please. That would be the first step.

If you do not know what they are, or are afraid to say them, that is fine. Just do not try to fake it, or try to change the subject.
 

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I admitidly cant name five of the values wich i speak of but theres only one that matters and thats John 1:1, also be carefull how you choose to test the lord. Matthew 4:7, Deuteronomy 6:16 and Exodus 17:17. I provided scripture in my original post and you choose to dispute that. I say to you freind if we sit and hide in our churches atheist people will soon take out the very word of god if we dont fight for christ.

God bless
 

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I admitidly cant name five of the values wich i speak of but theres only one that matters and thats John 1:1, also be carefull how you choose to test the lord. Matthew 4:7, Deuteronomy 6:16 and Exodus 17:17. I provided scripture in my original post and you choose to dispute that. I say to you freind if we sit and hide in our churches atheist people will soon take out the very word of god if we dont fight for christ.

God bless

Can you share how John 1:1 has anything to do with America's Founding Principles? John 1:1 is not mentioned in any American Founding Documents. Why do you speak of American Godly Principles, yet cannot identify them? Are they imaginary, or are they real?

As well, did you think that just because I want to identify America's Founding Principles in God that I am "testing God?" From where do you get that? America is not mentioned in Matthew 4:7, not in Deuteronomy 6:16, and not in Exodus 17:17 because there is no Exodus 17:17.

Lastly. who are you to tell me I cannot seek to find America's Godly Foundations by asking what they are on a Christian Forum?
 

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Can you share how John 1:1 has anything to do with America's Founding Principles? John 1:1 is not mentioned in any American Founding Documents. Why do you speak of American Godly Principles, yet cannot identify them? Are they imaginary, or are they real?

As well, did you think that just because I want to identify America's Founding Principles in God that I am "testing God?" From where do you get that? America is not mentioned in Matthew 4:7, not in Deuteronomy 6:16, and not in Exodus 17:17 because there is no Exodus 17:17.

Lastly. who are you to tell me I cannot seek to find America's Godly Foundations by asking what they are on a Christian Forum?

Did you look at post number five, name five principles you said and dont change the subject. As well as the fact that you disputed my intital scriptures and i never stated that i was agaist you finding out the core values of america. But maybe the answer is in your own question though, you see all you have to do is read the bible in depth the answer awaits within Psalms 133:1, its all about the american people uniting under god and for god thats the only value you need to know. None the less though i dont wish strifre between us brother im here to teach not judge :)
 

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Did you look at post number five, name five principles you said and dont change the subject. As well as the fact that you disputed my intital scriptures and i never stated that i was agaist you finding out the core values of america. But maybe the answer is in your own question though, you see all you have to do is read the bible in depth the answer awaits within Psalms 133:1, its all about the american people uniting under god and for god thats the only value you need to know. None the less though i dont wish strifre between us brother im here to teach not judge :)

When have American people ever "united under God" after America was formed?

And, are you unablew to name ANY Godly Principles which were used to found America? What are they? Do not be afraid or shy.
 

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When have American people ever "united under God" after America was formed?

And, are you unablew to name ANY Godly Principles which were used to found America? What are they? Do not be afraid or shy.

You name them since your so intent on challenging other people, im done arguing with you.
 

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When have American people ever "united under God" after America was formed?

And, are you unablew to name ANY Godly Principles which were used to found America? What are they? Do not be afraid or shy.

I suggest you read documents pertaining to the U.S. govermnent. Start with the Declaration of Independence. Did you know that in many of our government buildings the Ten Commandments are posted?
While many people are trying to get rid of these, many government buildings still have them. Also check out Wallbuilders.com with David Barton. His ministry is based on preserving America's Godly heritage. Hope this helps.

God Bless You!

Moses :)
 

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A truly godly heritage can only be built when one is submissive to the authority which God placed upon the Earth.

Since the Founding Fathers were in no way submissive to this authority, but were rather Masons and Deists, I have a hard time accepting that the nation had "godly foundations."

Or perhaps you were referring to the Puritans who first came here??

I would say they suffered from the same problem. Lack of submission to authority.
 

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A truly godly heritage can only be built when one is submissive to the authority which God placed upon the Earth.

Since the Founding Fathers were in no way submissive to this authority, but were rather Masons and Deists, I have a hard time accepting that the nation had "godly foundations."

Or perhaps you were referring to the Puritans who first came here??

I would say they suffered from the same problem. Lack of submission to authority.
correct and that authority is Jesus Christ not the catholic church
 

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America as a whole was founded on Enlightenment principles rather than Christian ones. Those areas which were founded on Christian principles were extremely bigoted and exclusionary with the exception of the Quaker city of Philadelphia.
 

EAHARA

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correct and that authority is Jesus Christ not the catholic church.

I'm sorry, but that is not what scripture says:

Matt. 16 [sup]18[/sup]And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Notice the first promise that Jesus makes regarding the Church. This is the first instance of the word in the NT. Jesus promises to build a Church and it will not be prevailed against by the gates of hell. So it is Jesus Who states that He is building a Church. And that Church is called what? The Body of Christ. Notice the close association between Christ and His Church!

Matt. 18 [sup]17[/sup]And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Notice also that Jesus states that if one does not hear the Church, one is like unto a heathen and publican. This is no small thing. Jesus does not defer all honor to Himself, but to the Church on earth. And how would people hear the Church unless it were on the earth and had a mouthpiece, such as the councils of bishops who met and determined Truth?

1 Cor. 12 [sup]28[/sup]And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Notice again that the Bible speaks of the Church as being earthly. That is where you would find the gifts of apostles, teachers, miracles, healings, helps, governments, and tongues. It is not some "invisible church" as the Protestant Rebels made up.

Col 1 [sup]18[/sup]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Jesus is the Head of the Church. Notice therefore the intimate connection between Jesus and the Church, analogized by the relationship of a head to a body.

1 Tim 3 [sup]15[/sup]But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Scripture states that the Church is the "pillar and ground of Truth" Therefore, when the Church speaks on doctrinal or moral issues, you are hearing the Truth. That is why the Church continues to oppose homosexual behavior while all the "mainline Protestant denominations" are caving left and right. That is why the Church cannot allow for women to be priests. That is why She is against stem cell research that destroys unborn life. That is why when the Church speaks on doctrine, She is the final arbiter of Truth. When you believe that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, 2nd Person of the Blessed Trinity, you do so because the Church defended this Truth against the heretic Arias and his contention that Jesus was merely created. When you speak of Jesus' nature in orthodox terms, you do so because the Church defined Who Jesus is in Her councils.

Jesus established one and only one Church on earth. Somewhere in the first couple of centuries, it was called "katholicos" (universal) because it was one in doctrine and practice. Everything that this Church believed was universally believed whether you were in Egypt, Jerusalem, or Rome. No matter where you went, the Church taught the same thing.

When Jesus established His Church, He established the Kingdom of God on earth. It is the duty of all men to enter that Church, seeking salvation through repentance from their sins and baptism into that Kingdom. Those who rebel against Her rebel against Jesus Himself, just as those pagans and heathens who opposed the Kingdom in the days of National Israel were opposing God Himself. God has had a congregation (qahal or eklessia) for Himself since He called out Abraham and began this work with him. He brought His people out of Egypt through many mighty miracles, gave them a specific worship pattern (Heb. 8:5), and promised them a Messiah Who would be David's Son and the King of the world. When the Jews rejected Him, God took the Kingdom from them and gave it to the mixed nation consisting of Jew and Gentile who accepted and believed in the Savior Who came (Matt. 21: 33-46) As you trace the word "church" throughout the Bible, it becomes apparent that it is speaking of a congregation of those who are "God's people" a "peculiar people", and a nation of kings and priests unto God.

Those who listened to the Protestant Rebels defied that congregation which God had set upon earth and turned against the authority which is His Kingdom on earth. No country which is established in rebellion can expect blessing from God, for as the scriptures state, "the sin of rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft" in God's sight!!
 

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people hated what was done in the name of christ,and not you for believing in christ..i never seen any reasons that peple could hate christ for ,except them that benifited from sin ,except them that wanted power using christ like the roman catholics did.and they did over and over..everyone wanted there corner on christ and made up there own rules ..this is what people grow to hate..as they do now days.i never seen christ in the indian killing or the slavery that was here for so long...i seen the christians go along with the killing and slavery in history as i do see them go along with the killing now out of some fear...you all stand up for what ..how can you stand for christ when you are on the same side that is against christ in many ways [you rightinous is as filty rags dah what does that mean]
 

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As above; so below. America (1776 founded as a Confederacy government) did have the ideas of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But to avoid civil war in 1788 and due to the weakness of the government at the time, the wealthy bunch got their way.

Now, note -- Moses was in the mountain and came down to see the golden calf. The people had made it and took the grain, wine and oil and set it afire and had their monument to Baal.

Look at Washington --- Washington monument a monument to Baal and was dedicated with the grain, wine and oil. So was every government building. Strange?

Sitting on the 77th parallel for a reason - as above; so below. See what is in the heavens above the 77th parallel.

But for catholic religion - it clearly started in the fourth century. It has corrupted manuscripts and made claims that are only claims. It is an easy read of history and well documented through the centuries how the catholics have killed millions of Christians. From the Eucharist, to infant baptism they are a false religion and deny Christ's salvation.