Aussie and Kiwi politics and events

Josho said:

@Cristo Rei I think some European countries weren't even allowed to leave their homes for exercise during a lockdown. At least we still have the freedom to take a walk away from home for one hour a day.

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Josho, I would humbly suggest to you that the government have imposed further liberty restrictions on the nation, in the form of regulations that defines what we are allowed and not allowed to do.

What people want is to be able to exercise their free choices with respect to the Corona virus threat, under the guise that this is freedom, but the reality is that people exercising their free choice with respect to how they should act within the boundaries of the pandemic restrictions can only be described as anarchism and we can see the outcome of their free choices in the number of Victorians becoming infected.

While ever the people in the state of Victoria exercise their belief in being able to freely chose to comply with or reject outright the pandemic restrictions, the present spike in the number of virus cases will continue to climb northwards on the charts without any respites to the number of people being infected by the virus because more people are choosing to reject the present restrictions rather than to comply with them..

Shalom.

I think that this China virus will be around for years and economy wise it would be best to of let it spread. because I am sure the economy will crash and more people will die of that than the man made China virus.
What happens when or if Governments can't borrow any more money, you can not close down forever.
I think it's warfare, China has declared war, it's working to dominate the world. Trump put a halt to Chinas expansion and they have used this virus in retaliation.

I am trying to make my way through all this. I personally believe that our freedoms are intentionally being stripped away, and that the COVID virus is not nearly as bad as is being made out in the overwhelming majority of cases, and that there are already some answers out there (which are being censored/squashed because there's money and control to be made through COVID) and that greater damage is being done by the reaction to it as opposed to it itself. That is not to take away from the trajic deaths that have occurred, but if influenza deaths were focused on and reported the same way - we'd see very similar results.

I also hate seeing the freedom's that many men have paid for with their own blood - being stripped away from us - which I doubt that we will get it all back. I also hate the debilitating fear (and cowardice) sweeping our nations that is causing not only fear - but extreme anger at anyone who opposes someone's fear as being selfish, etc - and the division that it is causing our nation.

Talk about divide and conquer. The division has occurred - we are ripe to be conquered!

Now with parliamentary acts being suspended to police (that effectively means they can operate outside of the law here in Vic) - I hate what I'm seeing beyond what I can put into words here.

However - I am also being challenged and reminded that Christ's kingdom is not of this earth, and all of my concerns I've listed have zero eternal impact. Why am I not more concerned about the people's eternal fate? Why am I too being wrapped up with what's directly before us, instead of the infinitely higher danger which is lost souls?

I see that Paul learned to be content whether in prison, or free, whether rich or poor. Through this - I'm also reminded that Victoria is one of the most wicked states in Australia, with voters rewarding a corrupt (and possibly criminal) political party at the last election - and that we don't war against flesh and blood, but the powers of darkness.

I'm reminded that more than anything else - people need to see hope. And not fallible hope from our politicians or relief from COVID (because unfortunately I think in the natural - the worst is still yet to come), but real hope that will not be moved regardless of turmoil.

People are depressed, people are in fear, people are angry - not directly because of COVID - but because what they have placed their hope in is being stripped away. Their future plans, their jobs, their security - and they're not seeing any real hope remaining. I speak not only as non-Christians but also Christians like myself who have been distracted to focus on this world. It's a constant battle to refocus.

There is great depression around at the moment and I'm not talking financially. There is a great spiritual onslaught that's goal is to bring death by any means necessary. To turn on each other, to divide, to bring hate or despair.

Hope is desperately needed beyond anything else at the moment. True hope.

If I'm honest and reflect on myself - what does the world see in me? Do they see me clearly having hope in God - or do they see yet someone else angry and frustrated, focusing on the damage among everyone else doing the same?

Where our treasure is, there our heart will also be. It is a timely reminder for me to be focused on the things above, and to encourage others in this hope as well. People need hope - and we have the hope. We have the answer! Even if I could snap my fingers, magically make COVID go away and things return to normal - that is temporary.

This leads me to the question - not what do I want through this, or what do I want to see happen in this state and nation - but what does God want through this? He is allowing this to happen. He allowed the Andrews government to remain in power (among many other wicked politicians all around the world). He is allowing the fall of the economy, and the "second wave" of COVID in this state.

Man makes their plans - and we can see evil men's plans plainly among all this.

But I am now reminded of Psalms 2 - Why are the nations in an uproar, and their people involved in a vain plot? As the kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers conspire together against the LORD and his anointed one, they say, "Let us tear off their shackles from us, and cast off their chains." He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord scoffs at them.

They are fools in their actions believing that they have one-upped God - that their plans are succeeding. They forget that God controls all - and that what happens only occurs because He is allowing it for this season.

They forget... but have I too?

This brings me to the question: What is the role I am to play in this for Him? God has a plan - and I would be honored to be involved in His plan instead of being on the side lines (or worse, be used by the enemy).

I don't believe seeing it this way means denying the hurt, the destruction, and the fear that is around us. On the contrary - it's recognising it - but putting Christ in the middle of it. I think it's easy for me as a Christian to often get distracted to look for other answers. Whether it be who gets voted in, or what laws are passed, or whether it rains or not, or COVID numbers, etc. I realise I often focus more on politics and world affairs than I should. That's not to say I shouldn't be aware - but how often do I focus on it more than Him?

I realise it also means forgiving. Forgiving those who hurt me. And loving and praying for my enemies.

I'm reminded as I type this - just like whether or not someone stops sleeping around, or whether someone stops being a thief or a liar is irrelevant and will have no eternal impact - someone doing the wrong or right thing in COVID is also a distraction and has no real benefit. I need to remind myself that my primary focus in here needs to be off this and on Christ, and lift Him up, and to be in a position to be able to be used by Him.

In the natural - we are going into irreparable destruction - of this I have no doubt. The fallout from COVID is going to be huge - beyond what anyone is currently aware of. But what about the spiritual fallout? Do I truly believe that God is bigger than this, and does God have a plan? Do I trust Him through this and am I excited about what He is about to do? Or am I distracted by the distractions of the enemy? Am I distracted by what other people are doing wrong and how it impacts me - instead of being more concerned about their eternal status.

My prayer is that God would help me to wake up, to use this as an opportunity to serve Him - and to be guided by Him. Help me to have and show incredible hope - not for my sake, but for Christ's sake - that others would see Christ and His hope in me. Help me not to look back at the distraction behind me, as Lot's wife did, nor to put my hand to the plow and look back - but to look forward - my eyes on you.

As I write this - I realise how weak I am - but I'm reminded of how strong He is. I ask that people here please keep me accountable for what I have written, and I hope and pray it's of encouragement to others as well.

JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE SITUATION

Today Victoria was responsible for 98% of the reported cases over the last 24 hr period.

To date, Victoria are responsible for 67% of all the reported corona19 cases in Australia since the first outbreak of the virus in Australia.

Victoria has 4 times the percentage of their population recorded as being infected by the virus than NSW, 9.55 time the number of cases in QLD, 7.92 times the number of cases of WA, 7.54 times that of SA, 4.6 times that of Tas., 7.75 times that of the ACT, 15.48 times that of the NT, and 2.57 times the Australian percentage of recorded infected people.

It seems that people in Victoria care more about their "free choice" than their lives and the possibility of becoming infected by the virus and suffering the on going consequences that will follow.

I am not claiming that Victorians are stupid, but the figures argue otherwise.

Jay Ross said:

I am not claiming that Victorians are stupid, but the figures argue otherwise.

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We have states like that, too. I live in one of them. Texans aren't stupid; they're just stubborn. Sometimes, as in the pandemic, it's hard to tell the difference.

Jay Ross said:

JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE SITUATION

Today Victoria was responsible for 98% of the reported cases over the last 24 hr period.

To date, Victoria are responsible for 67% of all the reported corona19 cases in Australia since the first outbreak of the virus in Australia.

Victoria has 4 times the percentage of their population recorded as being infected by the virus than NSW, 9.55 time the number of cases in QLD, 7.92 times the number of cases of WA, 7.54 times that of SA, 4.6 times that of Tas., 7.75 times that of the ACT, 15.48 times that of the NT, and 2.57 times the Australian percentage of recorded infected people.

It seems that people in Victoria care more about their "free choice" than their lives and the possibility of becoming infected by the virus and suffering the on going consequences that will follow.

I am not claiming that Victorians are stupid, but the figures argue otherwise.

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Here is another example of the lies being spread by the mainstream media choosing to falsely blame Victorians
The truth of the matter is that Daniel Andrews screwed up big time with hotel quarantine and now we have to suffer for his incompetence
Our health minister said that it was conceivable all current cases in Victoria could be traced back to outbreaks stemming from hotel quarantine

Most Victorians now are fed up with the premier and these restrictions.
We were told the lockdown was to stop our hospitals from getting full but they never came close. So what are these lockdowns for then...
We haven't been told what the plan is. Are they trying to eradicate it... Why not let nature take its course so that we get herd immunity...
Like Fauci said, they don't want herd immunity to occur, instead they want to vaccinate everyone.

They want to blackmail us all.
U want to get back to normal then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to take off the mask then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to enter the supermarket then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to do business then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to go where u like, when u like then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to access your money then take the vaccine and microchip

Cristo Rei said:

Here is another example of the lies being spread by the mainstream media choosing to falsely blame Victorians
The truth of the matter is that Daniel Andrews screwed up big time with hotel quarantine and now we have to suffer for his incompetence
Our health minister said that it was conceivable all current cases in Victoria could be traced back to outbreaks stemming from hotel quarantine

Most Victorians now are fed up with the premier and these restrictions.
We were told the lockdown was to stop our hospitals from getting full but they never came close. So what are these lockdowns for then...
We haven't been told what the plan is. Are they trying to eradicate it... Why not let nature take its course so that we get herd immunity...
Like Fauci said, they don't want herd immunity to occur, instead they want to vaccinate everyone.

They want to blackmail us all.
U want to get back to normal then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to take off the mask then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to enter the supermarket then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to do business then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to go where u like, when u like then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to access your money then take the vaccine and microchip

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I drew the information for the post I made from a site that was recommended to me by @Josho. It is a site that all Australian Sates are reporting their data to.

I am not bashing poor old Victoria, I am only reporting the facts as I see them from what has been reported by the various States.

Cristo, I read your posts and they show that all you want to do is rebel against everything that you feel puts a straight jacket on you and limits what you can do. It seems that the solution you are advocating is for the government to allow you to exercise your free choice to do only what you want to do irrespective of how that will impact other Australians. Self centeredness is the core of the problem for the transmission of this virus, and self centeredness is the core ingredient for the establishment of a person as a deity which leads to idolatrous worship of self.

This sin will separate people from God, because people who are self cantered have already turn themselves away from God.

Shalom

Jay Ross said:

I drew the information for the post I made from a site that was recommended to me by @Josho. It is a site that all Australian Sates are reporting their data to.

I am not bashing poor old Victoria, I am only reporting the facts as I see them from what has been reported by the various States.

Cristo, I read your posts and they show that all you want to do is rebel against everything that you feel puts a straight jacket on you and limits what you can do. It seems that the solution you are advocating is for the government to allow you to exercise your free choice to do only what you want to do irrespective of how that will impact other Australians. Self centeredness is the core of the problem for the transmission of this virus, and self centeredness is the core ingredient for the establishment of a person as a deity which leads to idolatrous worship of self.

This sin will separate people from God, because people who are self cantered have already turn themselves from God.

Shalom

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You didn't address any of the points i made, you don't know anything about me or my situation yet your passing judgement.
U say I want the government to allow me to exercise my free choice to do only what I want to do... That's not what I said.

All your judgmental words of criticism were based on a false allegation

Cristo Rei said:

You didn't address any of the points i made, you don't know anything about me or my situation yet your passing judgement.
U say I want the government to allow me to exercise my free choice to do only what I want to do... That's not what I said.

All your judgmental words of criticism were based on a false allegation

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But your rant about what I had posted was: - "Here is another example of the lies being spread by the mainstream media choosing to falsely blame Victorians."

I used data that was available which stated the following: -



Here is what on the web page today, @ 8:45 am 07-07-2020: -



Around midday, the numbers will have been submitted by the various states for reporting purposes and entered into the above table.

Perhaps if you analysed the Data I used, then you would have understood how i could make the statements that I did. The Government Data supplied by all of the states.

I also agree that the number of people infected in all the states is very small in comparison to their total population. The total number of the population of Victoria that has been infected with this virus is less than 0.2050%, and the result for Australia is 0.0796%, based on the available figures for 05-08-2020.

Since the recorded data is dynamic, any report based on a particular day will also be dynamic and only reflect the available data on that day.

Since the Australian Governmental bodies, decided to impose a lockdown, the probably outcome for a no lock down scenario in Australia is a hypothetical exercise and the outcome is very subjective and probably very meaningless.

Your reaction to what I had posted is very revealing and speaks volumes as far as I am concerned.

Shalom

Cristo Rei said:

Here is another example of the lies being spread by the mainstream media choosing to falsely blame Victorians
The truth of the matter is that Daniel Andrews screwed up big time with hotel quarantine and now we have to suffer for his incompetence
Our health minister said that it was conceivable all current cases in Victoria could be traced back to outbreaks stemming from hotel quarantine

Most Victorians now are fed up with the premier and these restrictions.
We were told the lockdown was to stop our hospitals from getting full but they never came close. So what are these lockdowns for then...
We haven't been told what the plan is. Are they trying to eradicate it... Why not let nature take its course so that we get herd immunity...
Like Fauci said, they don't want herd immunity to occur, instead they want to vaccinate everyone.

They want to blackmail us all.
U want to get back to normal then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to take off the mask then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to enter the supermarket then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to do business then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to go where u like, when u like then take the vaccine and microchip
U want to access your money then take the vaccine and microchip

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I think that there is a new type of war that's maybe going on in all this that we may have to take account of or some regard as top such.
I do believe that the virus is a man designed thing and I do not believe that their will be a vaccine for it ever.

What I can gather is that the NWO want to control the whole world totally, we have unelected people and such organisations who have power over our Political Party's, why do we put up with this nonsense ! have we not learnt anything from such dictating morons yet !
Don't trust the Government ! regardless of who it is, they are puppy dogs to the Satanic monsters that can and do control them.

What is at stake here when you look into it ? ok look at it from the position that the Government is taking, well ok that's got merit but what if it's more to it, what if it is a cunning war tactic game ?
Well then ok your economy is killed and you are then in a depression ? well the great depression for anyone who truly understands what it was like, well if we had another much more % of the population will die I would say maybe 80% would easy die, just of that alone. the Greenies would be thrilled and the so called Zionist Nazi types would be set to take over the world as they have always planed, it's no secret to that is their ends, they justify all such things like such, that's their way ! they are all about mans works, the rapture BS that has been peddled by Satanist over the last 30 years has grown so that many believe such childish dribble.
Look at WW1 it was a creation of madmen and WW2 was as well it was all a creation of the so called Zionist world banking mob, all Rothschild's plan, Hitler is related to Rothschild's and Hitler was a queer Satanist piss boy to his master Rothschild's to set the Germans up, Kill all the true Jews who were a threat to the Satanist so called Zionist claiming to be Jews, fact is that the overwhelming amount of German Jews despised the so called Zionist in fact, they keep a lid on that fact.
What I have seen of the evil of the Satanist power is that they build up a nation only to make it crash, that's the game plans they play to keep in control over others, not to mention in working to creating a immoral degenerate people, for such who have no virtue are easy led.

The Vaccine could be likened to the gas chambers, in years to come.

Why does North Korea have such a huge Army, the fact is that the USA tax payers have payed for it all for years, oh it's called Aid but the same $ just work out as the same as the Army expense haha are we being fooled ! Who built up Communist China for what ends I may ask, look at it now it's leadership is out of control and dictating to the whole world.

Jay Ross said:

But your rant about what I had posted was: - "Here is another example of the lies being spread by the mainstream media choosing to falsely blame Victorians."

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Ok so i didn't say I wanted the government to allow me to exercise my free choice to do only what I want to do.
Thats ok i forgive you for making that false assumption even though u don't apologize

Jay Ross said:

Perhaps if you analysed the Data I used, then you would have understood how i could make the statements that I did. The Government Data supplied by all of the states.

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Perhaps if u read what i wrote u could of addressed it. I said that our premier was to blame for this second wave
Instead u jumped to conclusions and falsely blamed the citizens of Victoria as if we're criminals

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Your reaction to what I had posted is very revealing and speaks volumes as far as I am concerned.

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Your judgmental criticism which was based on a false accusation is very revealing and your failure to admit your error while remaining hostile speaks volumes as far as I am concerned...

Try addressing what people say instead of jumping to conclusions and making false accusations...

Cristo Rei said:

Perhaps if u read what I wrote u could of addressed it. I said that our premier was to blame for this second wave
Instead u jumped to conclusions and falsely blamed the citizens of Victoria as if we're criminals

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Why are you blaming just the poor premier, for your state, for what he is trying to do when there are so many Victorians wanting to rebel against the Government directives.

Daniel Andrews in good faith delegated responsibility for the securing of the people in hotel quarantine to other parties, who, it now seems, failed to restrict the people in quarantine from leaving their rooms and or hotels.

Unless all of the people in Victoria believe in the enforcement of the imposed regulations for the control of the virus from spreading then the virus will spread and as is the case in Victoria, which is contributing the most to the "second wave" we are experiencing, it is now nearly 50% higher in the moving 14 day total, that I am monitoring, than the peak in the first wave of the virus in Australia.

In doing further analysis of my data, it would seem that the peak in the 14 day moving cases will occur probably within the next one to two weeks before it will start to decline. How quickly the decline in the 14 day moving total will occur will depend on the rate of decline in the reported daily numbers. At present the indications is that the rate of fall in the number of daily reported cases will be slow and that it may take a number of months for the 14 day moving total to fall to the levels that were occurring in May.

Because Victoria has been primarily responsible for this second wave of infections from the virus, unless there is an improvement in the responsible compliance of the Victorian people, then the decline in the 14 day moving reported virus case will not occur because the number of daily reported cases will not have dropped.

Here is the chart on which I have based my analysis of the current situation.



Shalom

Reggie Belafonte said:

What I can gather is that the NWO want to control the whole world totally, we have unelected people and such organisations who have power over our Political Party's, why do we put up with this nonsense ! have we not learnt anything from such dictating morons yet !
Don't trust the Government ! regardless of who it is, they are puppy dogs to the Satanic monsters that can and do control them.

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True. True. True.

Reggie Belafonte said:

Well then ok your economy is killed and you are then in a depression ? well the great depression for anyone who truly understands what it was like, well if we had another much more % of the population will die I would say maybe 80% would easy die, just of that alone. the Greenies would be thrilled and the so called Zionist Nazi types would be set to take over the world as they have always planed, it's no secret to that is their ends, they justify all such things like such, that's their way ! they are all about mans works, the rapture BS that has been peddled by Satanist over the last 30 years has grown so that many believe such childish dribble.

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Eugenics is definitely one of their objectives. They want to purge the lower and middle classes as robots/AI are taking over many of our jobs

Reggie Belafonte said:

I do believe that the virus is a man designed thing and I do not believe that their will be a vaccine for it ever

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I hope there is no vaccine, i'd rather just catch covid and get immunity the natural way. But with all that money being poured into the vax by so many companies and with the short cuts their taking i think there will be a vaccine. Like Bill Gates said, the world won't go back to normal without a vaccine.

But according to Bill Gates, Australia is going to get destroyed in the next pandemic, as he and Melinda smile about it...

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Cristo Rei said:

True. True. True.



Eugenics is definitely one of their objectives. They want to purge the lower and middle classes as robots/AI are taking over many of our jobs



I hope there is no vaccine, i'd rather just catch covid and get immunity the natural way. But with all that money being poured into the vax by so many companies and with the short cuts their taking i think there will be a vaccine. Like Bill Gates said, the world won't go back to normal without a vaccine.

But according to Bill Gates, Australia is going to get destroyed in the next pandemic, as he and Melinda smile about it...

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Wow look at her face creepy !