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Once in a Bible Book Club a woman was upset because her mother had just been mugged for her purse in California.
I said, "Wait a minute," as she was expressing anger to God..."You think God allowed this to happen? You think it's HIS fault?"
She turned to me with such indignation and spewed, " Yes I do!"

My belief is God is not in total control of all things and yet is within and sustains all things.

He watches as things unfold for us either following established laws or not following - free will - is He in "total control" of
a heart attack of a 400 lb person? No, it was a result of bad choices -and natural laws of nature here in the 3rd dimension were at work.
Can He intervene because of prayer and change things? Yes.

Any input?
Thanks, :) Miss Hepburn Sorry if God doesn't show up capitalized. I tried to fix it.
 
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Awesome subject matter and very important to discuss. So many believe in two God's. A GREAT BIG DEVIL God, and a little bitti god. Oh sure they will say God is God but their creed, dogmas and fears give God so little glory.


Once in a Bible Book Club a woman was upset because her mother had just been mugged for her purse in California.
I said, "Wait a minute," as she was expressing anger to God..."You think God allowed this to happen? You think it's HIS fault?"
She turned to me with such indignation and spewed, " Yes I do!"

My belief is God is not in total control of all things and yet is within and sustains all things.

He watches as things unfold for us either following established laws or not following - free will - is He in "total control" of
a heart attack of a 400 lb person? No, it was a result of bad choices -and natural laws of nature here in the 3rd dimension were at work.
Can He intervene because of prayer and change things? Yes.

Any input?
Thanks, :) Miss Hepburn
 

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God is in total control of everything, but that is relative. Everything that happens, from earthquakes and tidal waves to winning the lottery, falls within His "purpose" for mankind. Nothing can or will happen that is not within that purpose. And within that purpose is where man's free will ability falls. Every person has the ability to make choices, such as whether or not to mugg someone's mother. But while He will not interfere with man's actions (unless those actions fall outside His purpose), He actually desires only one thing from each of us. That is for us to freely choose to worship Him and Him alone. Secular matters are of no concern for Him, while spiritual matters are all important.

Therefore the mugger who robbed the elderly lady will one day have to answer for his actions. If, at some point in his life right up to the instant when he ceases to breath and contain life, if he turns to God spiritually and worships Him alone, then that mugger will be completely forgiven for all of his crimes against humanity (remember the Apostle Paul?) However, if he does not find and cling to God, then the single crime of mugging a lady is sufficient to condemn him to an eternity of God's wrath.

As a side note, while knowing that God is in complete control of everything, does any true Christian actually believe in man-caused Global Warming... er, I'm sorry, that should be Climate Change?

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most people can't except blame for their own actions,it's easier to blame God.God put rules to go by along with conciquences,and if you get caught you pay the price.the good news is we can repent and rise above those conciquences no matter what they were,or how long they been.
 

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While I believe that God COULD control everything and everyone, that is not His will. He does not want a world full of robots or puppets on strings who do His every bidding because of being programed that way. Despite the denial of some people about this, He has given us a free will to choose how we will live, what we will or won't do, what we will believe, who or what we will serve (if anyone or anything).

However, we will pay the consequences of our actions, and that is what people don't want. I heard a story about a man who accidentally punctured his car radiator. He told a friend, "That's the second thing God has done to me this week. A few days ago my wife caught our kitchen on fire cooking while drunk." He blamed God for the radiator he punctured (not God), and he balmed God for his drunken wife catching the kitchen on fire.

Maybe God does cause some tragedies, but He is not to blame for everything that happens. Man is determined to do everything his own way--like the two-year-old who says "I can do it myself." He's not capable of doing everything himself, but he's determined to do it anyway and won't accept help.
 

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Once in a Bible Book Club a woman was upset because her mother had just been mugged for her purse in California.
I said, "Wait a minute," as she was expressing anger to God..."You think God allowed this to happen? You think it's HIS fault?"
She turned to me with such indignation and spewed, " Yes I do!"

My belief is God is not in total control of all things and yet is within and sustains all things.

He watches as things unfold for us either following established laws or not following - free will - is He in "total control" of
a heart attack of a 400 lb person? No, it was a result of bad choices -and natural laws of nature here in the 3rd dimension were at work.
Can He intervene because of prayer and change things? Yes.

Any input?
Thanks, :) Miss Hepburn Sorry if God doesn't show up capitalized. I tried to fix it.
This is the very stuff of our faith...to believe God is working all things together for good to those who love Him.

The test is whether we continue to love God in times of trouble. The immature Christian falters. Support is always available but not always sought or accepted. I would have said to the book club lady "Do you still love God? Then let Him work out this thing for good."

The story of Joseph and his response to the trouble his brothers caused him is an example of how we should respond when things aren't going well.

Genesis 50:20
(20) But as for you, you thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.


Jas 1:2 , Jas 1:12; Matt 5:10-12; Luke 6:22-23; Acts 5:41; Rom 8:17-18, Rom 8:35-37; 2Cor 12:9; 2Cor 12:10; Phil 1:29, Phil 2:17; Col 1:24; Heb 10:34; 1Pet 4:13-16
Heb 11:36-38; 1Pet 1:6-8; 2Pet 2:9; Rev 2:10
 

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Man does have a freewill to sin, in fact he is a creature of sin, he dead in trustpasses and sin as the Bible puts it. But no where in God's very deep and complex Word is there any verse that declares man chooses his salvation, and I will add Adam and Eve had no choice. So yes God created man, God casued the fall, it was not little Adam and Eve. So yes me everan chooses to sin, what ever sin, but it was God who cursed man and we all died spiritually. Have you ever seen a dead man choose or have a freewill to choose?

Carnal man cannot repent until God first draws/drags him or quicken him. He is dead in trustpasses and sin.

most people can't except blame for their own actions,it's easier to blame God.God put rules to go by along with conciquences,and if you get caught you pay the price.the good news is we can repent and rise above those conciquences no matter what they were,or how long they been.

If anyone would of been a robot or puppet it would of been Adam and Eve if God did not cause the fall for before the fall they were roboting God's will. If anyone is in denial it is the people who believe in man having a freewill to choose his salvation. Chapter and verse please? What does punctured his car radiator have to do with salvation, I can choose a pepsi over a coke, I can choose all kinds of little things. But I did not choose my parents, my country, my color and man cannot choose salvation. The Bible teaches totally to the contrary. Yes we will pay the consequences of our actions, but no one wants this body of death, sin and shame, it was God who casued the fall not little Adam who had no choice. This is a religious myth based on assumption and not God's Word.

While I believe that God COULD control everything and everyone, that is not His will. He does not want a world full of robots or puppets on strings who do His every bidding because of being programed that way. Despite the denial of some people about this, He has given us a free will to choose how we will live, what we will or won't do, what we will believe, who or what we will serve (if anyone or anything).

However, we will pay the consequences of our actions, and that is what people don't want. I heard a story about a man who accidentally punctured his car radiator. He told a friend, "That's the second thing God has done to me this week. A few days ago my wife caught our kitchen on fire cooking while drunk." He blamed God for the radiator he punctured (not God), and he balmed God for his drunken wife catching the kitchen on fire.

Maybe God does cause some tragedies, but He is not to blame for everything that happens. Man is determined to do everything his own way--like the two-year-old who says "I can do it myself." He's not capable of doing everything himself, but he's determined to do it anyway and won't accept help.
 

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"The Lord reigneth; let the earth rejoice. "Only from our point of view is there such a thing as confusion. From God's point of view everything is as it should be, and He is in complete control. Nothing happens that is not part of God's plan. Isaiah 46:9-11 says, "I am God, and there is none else; I am God and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure. yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it."

The controller of the universe installs fences so that mankind can go no further into sin than God intends to eventually work into good for them. Psalm 8:5 literally says that God has caused mankind to lack from Elohim, which is the God-company. And because of this lack of divine fulness mankind was predestined by God to fall into sin. But God puts fences around man in order to confine and restrict him while He disciplines, trains, develops and matures him to be able to bear the load of sharing His glory in the future. All of our present processings are for our development, so that when we are restored to become one in Him we will be able to fill that position and not pervert it. Far too much of the power and light and glory that God has given to us has been perverted by us because our oneness with Himself has not yet been completed. BUT GOD IS IN TOTAL CONTROL OF EVERY SITUATION AT ALL TIMES.

Psalm 76:10 says, "Certainly the wrath of man shall praise thee; the remainder of wrath shalt Thou restrain." God restrains from happening anything that He does not intend to work into good. That's how much He is in control. The scripture says that the steps of a man are ordered by the Lord, and the Lord delighteth in his ways. This is true whether or not the man knows that it's true, and it's true if the man doesn't even know the Lord. Man can rebel and go his own way, but only according to the will of God; and God says, "I will use his rebellion and self-centerdness to teach him lessons for his ultimate good." And the remainder of his waywardness that God does not intend to use for the man's good, He simply restrains from happening.

Until we see God in sovereign control of the interplay between good and evil in everyone's life, we do not yet know what He is really like. Most of Christendom believes in two opposing forces that are in an eternal conflict, and that the fate of everyone is dependant on the chance choice of their supposed "free will."


After it says that God delighteth in man's ways, the next verse says, "Tho he fall he shall not be utterly cast down." God delights in man's way even when he falls. That's how completely in control He is. No man can fail any further than God wants him to fall. There is no such thing as sinning your way beyond the grace of God.
There is no such thing as an unpardonable sin that God cannot turn into good, after the appropriate punishment has been administered. It is God Himself who turns every man to destruction, and his same God guaranteed the complete restoration of every man. God knows that, though man falls he will not be utterly cast down. You can never go beyond the realm where God will let you experience more of the consequences of sin than he intends to work for your good. Both our bondage to sin and our deliverance from it are under God's sovereign control, and God will both glorify His name and bless each individual through it all. When there is not one more iota of good that can come from it, when He can no longer derive any useful purpose out of it, then God will irradiate sin from existence. When all the chastening, developing, training and maturing has been accomplished, then the negative consequences of sin will cease to exist, for sin is only a means to an end. Sin is allowed to exist for a wise purpose, and when that purpose has been fulfilled it will cease to exist.

Man can only do what God determines beforehand that he must do. God is in intimate sovereign control over everything that every man does and everything that he believes; and in the ages to come, God will turn every individual back to Himself and enfold them with His life.
Conditions in this world may become worse and we may be tempted to think that God has removed all the boundaries. When things become worse, I want you to remember what I said today - that God is still in control. Should one of your loved ones seemingly case off all restraints and commit their life to wickedness, it is then that you need to remember that God still hold control over their life, and he will work all things after the counsel of His own will for your loved one.
 
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Benoni, sometimes you are irritating, but it is your ignorance of Scripture combined with your "unique" thoughts on God that bother me personally the most. For instance you stated that "no where in God's very deep and complex Word is there any verse that declares man chooses his salvation,". Nothing could be more wrong about God's desires for us. In fact, Ezekiel dedicated an entire chapter to God telling us to turn away from sin and choose Him instead. That would be chapter 18 if you want to check it out. And if you just want a thumbnail of the contents, concentrate on v. 31.

Even John 3:16 (actually John 3:15 through 18) tells us very plainly that salvation can be obtained by anyone who personally establishes a belief in Jesus as the Son of God. For you to state the opposite is simply unacceptable to me. I do not know anything about you other than what you have written on this site, but I would hazard a guess that you are a follower of Calvinism.

So I will personally ignore your writings from now on.

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Hi Benoni, God did not cause Adam and Eve to fall, like us they had free will, even satan had free will, they chose to disobey God and now we see the consequences of their actions, No God is not always in control, the amount of control He has is dictated by how much room we give Him to move, and sadly we give Him very little. Yet in the end His Will ,will be done. His final plan will come to fruition no matter what we do, that is something we cannot change. Sometimes I wish He would warn us of the consequencs, do you really think that Eve would of eatne that fruit if God had shown Her all the trouble it would have brought, and yet we tell our kids dont play with fire for it will burn you, and it wil realy hurt, but what do they do, they go and play with fire, they get burnt, it really hurts, they soon discover, then they go runnning to mum or dad to fix it all, But hopefully they wont do it again.

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I totally disagree with Calvin teachings..

You can ignore me all you want; this is why the church little “c” is so blind they cannot look beyond their broken cisterns. I guess I am irritating because I have no problem standing up to man made doctrine based on assumptions and not God’s Word.

Ezekiel 18 again has nothing to do with salvation, salvation comes by the blood of Jesus and not the law of Moses. NT not old.

I know many of you find it difficult to dig beyond the letter that killeth.

"Let God be true, though every man be false" (Rom. 3:4).

I have always hated the way traditional teaching has used this awesome verse in the Bible on one hand to point to salvation which it does; but on the other hand condemn the rest of humanity which it does not

(KJV) John 3 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:15 That whosoever believeth in him should (not perish,) should be omitted), but have eternal life.16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that (whosoever, should be "all") (believeth, should be that "all believing") in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Now we will look at a passage in the New Testament; viz., that precious declaration in John 3:16,

"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son," etc. We will take into consideration verses 14-17 inclusive; first I will clear up several points of obscurity and error and then give the rendering as it should be.

In verse 15 the words "not perish but" should be omitted; according to the best authorities they have been interpolated, probably from the following verse; they are left out from the New Version.

Strong's Whosoever 3956 pas ;including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: KJV-- all (manner of, means), alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

The word "whosoever" in the l5th and l6th verses should be rendered "all"; in the original it is the word usually rendered all throughout the New Testament; it occurs hundreds of times, and it is rendered "all" in over nine hundred instances, and whosoever in only about forty; the rendering all then is plainly the usual one.

The word rendered "believeth," in the original is a participle, "believing"; the clause should read, "that all, believing in him should not," etc. The words, "believing in him," are explanatory, telling us how "all" are to be saved, viz, by believing in him. In the common version it will be noticed that the participle is, without authority, rendered by the verb "believeth," and the words, "whosoever believeth in him" are thereby made to have a conditional force, as though it read, if they believe in him, implying that some will not believe in him, and hence will perish, and be lost eternally.

But this is not a correct rendering of the original, as I have shown above; the clause is not conditional, but is thrown in, as a participial form, as explanatory of the manner of the world's salvation, by believing in him; this view is fully confirmed by the l9th verse; "for God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved."

Might be saved: Stong's 4982 sozo (sode'-zo); from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, "safe"); to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): KJV-- heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be
(make) whole. The word “might” was added by the translator

Now I will give the whole passage as it ought to be.

"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up, that all, believing in him. might have æonial life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that all, believing in him, might not perish, but have æonial life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him be saved."

Thus truthfully translated this passage is one of the grandest and most sweeping declarations of the final universal triumph of God's grace in the salvation of the world, contained in the Bible. It is positive and direct, and mighty enough, could they only appreciate it, to utterly silence all those narrow, shortsighted souls who think that God will only gain a partial victory over the devil, that he will not save the world, but only a portion of it, a vast number being eternally lost. It is very plain why the translators of the common version handled this passage as they did. Their creed would not allow them to accept it just as it reads; it required only a slight change to make it conform to their own idea. They insert the unusual rendering "whosoever," change believing to "believeth," and then, punctuating it accordingly, the passage is "tinkered" so as to harmonize with the creed. Thank God for deliverance from man made creeds!

Young’s Literal John 3:14 `And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up, 15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. 17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;


Benoni, sometimes you are irritating, but it is your ignorance of Scripture combined with your "unique" thoughts on God that bother me personally the most. For instance you stated that "no where in God's very deep and complex Word is there any verse that declares man chooses his salvation,". Nothing could be more wrong about God's desires for us. In fact, Ezekiel dedicated an entire chapter to God telling us to turn away from sin and choose Him instead. That would be chapter 18 if you want to check it out. And if you just want a thumbnail of the contents, concentrate on v. 31.

Even John 3:16 (actually John 3:15 through 18) tells us very plainly that salvation can be obtained by anyone who personally establishes a belief in Jesus as the Son of God. For you to state the opposite is simply unacceptable to me. I do not know anything about you other than what you have written on this site, but I would hazard a guess that you are a follower of Calvinism.

So I will personally ignore your writings from now on.

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And your point?


And your point?

Or Romans 6:16.....



Would you please post a verse that declares Adam and Eve cause the fall because they had a freewill as you claim?

If God is not in control then who is in control? So you are saying little bitti man has control of things and God is helpless? Sounds like a god, not God.

Hi Benoni, God did not cause Adam and Eve to fall, like us they had free will, even satan had free will, they chose to disobey God and now we see the consequences of their actions, No God is not always in control, the amount of control He has is dictated by how much room we give Him to move, and sadly we give Him very little. Yet in the end His Will ,will be done. His final plan will come to fruition no matter what we do, that is something we cannot change. Sometimes I wish He would warn us of the consequencs, do you really think that Eve would of eatne that fruit if God had shown Her all the trouble it would have brought, and yet we tell our kids dont play with fire for it will burn you, and it wil realy hurt, but what do they do, they go and play with fire, they get burnt, it really hurts, they soon discover, then they go runnning to mum or dad to fix it all, But hopefully they wont do it again.
 

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Remember one thing Benoni, Saul new the scriptures , yet he didnt know Jesus

Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

The bible will never stand up to jesus, read it all you like, post all the scriptures you lik, it does not bring you closer to Jesus, it just fills your head with knowledge. Does it not as that knowledge puffeth up. Be careful you dont ecome like saul.

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If you have a problem with what I post then please show me using scripture where I am wrong. If you cannot show me using scripture where I am wrong, then please maybe you should consider perhaps you have it wrong.

This is an open forum where God's Word is openly discussed from many view points, not hide in a religious closet where the blind lead the blind. I see no one attempting to disagree with my posting.

This may be for a few reasons?

Perhaps they have nothing to add?
Perhaps their doctrines are based on opinion and not God's Word?
Perhaps they are so puffed up with religious pride they are so offended they were proven wrong?

One thing I know our Lord and savior when He walked the earth did not agree with the traditions of religions of His day. Perhaps the real problem here is you do not agree with what I am saying, but how does that make what I say puffed up?

Matt 25:25-26 (NLT) 25 At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike.

1 Corin. 1:25 (Amp) [This is] because the foolish thing [that has its source in] God is wiser than men, and the weak thing [that springs] from God is stronger than men.
26For [simply] consider your own call, brethren; not many [of you were considered to be] wise according to human estimates and standards, not many influential and powerful, not many of high and noble birth.
27[No] for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame.
28And God also selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is lowborn and insignificant and branded and treated with contempt, even the things that are nothing, that He might depose and bring to nothing the things that are,
29So that no mortal man should [have pretense for glorying and] boast in the presence of God.
30But it is from Him that you have your life in Christ Jesus, Whom God made our Wisdom from God, [revealed to us a knowledge of the divine plan of salvation previously hidden, manifesting itself as] our Righteousness [thus making us upright and putting us in right standing with God], and our Consecration [making us pure and holy], and our Redemption [providing our ransom from eternal penalty for sin].



Remember one thing Benoni, Saul new the scriptures , yet he didnt know Jesus

Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

The bible will never stand up to jesus, read it all you like, post all the scriptures you lik, it does not bring you closer to Jesus, it just fills your head with knowledge. Does it not as that knowledge puffeth up. Be careful you dont ecome like saul.

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Im very sorry to hear this however god didnt casue this, the man was so evil and greedy that he decided to mug her. God doesnt go around putting curses on people and its a disgrace to blame god for such a thing. Be certain of this though good bad or ugly evryone will answer to god someday, Psalms 94 :1 and Romans 12:19 apply.
 

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yes there is a little one who thinks he is in contorl. satan, we handed power to him when adam and eve fell, and if Jesus had accepted what satan had said, he would be in complete control, is it not so wonderful that we have a saviour who has our best interest at hand and not His. Yes we give him control so often, through unbelief, through, lust, sin, hate ,anger, anthing that is outside love puts him in a version of control. No Benoni, all I see is someone who quotes scripture, Jesus isnt in the bible, hes here with us all.

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I love the sarcasum it means you care about this subject, but what does Psalms 94 :1 and Romans 12:19 have to do with the fall?

God is not bad or ugly, He is just God.

But I guess you need a Bible lesson, something outside of your religious walls you do not see.

God first created man in His own image and His own likeness on the sixth day. But on the seventh day God formed man from the dust of the earth and made him a living soul.

You see God wanted to fall, with out a fall there would be no reason for a savior, with out the fall Adam and Eve would be puppets on a string doing God’s will with no substance, or real commentment. Just innocent babes, naïve, shallow and care free.

Genesis 1: 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

(Sixth day) Genesis 1:31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 2: 2 And on the (seventh day) God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 7 And the
LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Please stop looking at what you been taught and look at what God’s Word declares. Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

You said "God doesnt go around putting curses on people"

It is called death, be it spiritual or to the body.

Genesis 3 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.


God had a savior planned long before God had a sinner. Yes Satan, who was created by God; and can do NOTHING outside of God’s will. Satan has to ask God’s permission according to God’s Word before Satan can do his evil. God is sovereign and he is Lord over ALL things including the fall, including the curse. Both Adam and Jesus were tempted by the Devil, who “God created”. Difference between Jesus and Adam is Adam was ordained to fail, Jesus was ordained to overcome. The devil has no power at all unless God ordains it.

But what you are not perceiving is God is sovereign over all things including Adam (man) and Satan and nothing happens outside of that sovereign will. Let

God took the blame for the curse, and the fall and He will also did it with hope. That is scriptural fact. Romans 8:20 declares that God took the blame and Adam (man) had no choice.

It was God who lowered Adam, it was God who placed Adam in the Garden, it was God who placed the tree of good and evil which he created, it was God who put a deceiver, a man slayer, a murderer in the garden, it was God who made Adam an Eve innocent.

Little Adam and Eve had not choice: “Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse” . God not little Adam turned man to destruction, You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

Man did not choose sin, he did not choose the fall; it was God who” You (God) turn man to destruction” this was God’s doing not little Adam; “For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope”


Man has no choose, freewill to follow God; in fact the Bible teaches totally too contrary. It was God who caused the fall. And it is God who has a plan to fix it.


Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

God knew Eve was going to sin long before she even was created; you see it is not the fall that matters it is the process of redemption God is after.

Im very sorry to hear this however god didnt casue this, the man was so evil and greedy that he decided to mug her. God doesnt go around putting curses on people and its a disgrace to blame god for such a thing. Be certain of this though good bad or ugly evryone will answer to god someday, Psalms 94 :1 and Romans 12:19 apply.