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Yes, Paul! Yes, I think he was.

2 Timothy 4:18 "And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."

I think he believed it. That the Lord would in fact deliver him, even from death, to preserve him. What made him so confident, do you think?

Much love!
A faith so great because of the author and finisher of our faith to the point where it is more than faith... but just reading it or hearing with natural eye and natural ear will convince no one whose heart is not open. It is to them, the ones with open hearts, who will be convinced. As we see them wandering around this forum, some people have closed their doors and locked them... supposedly against people who are wrong, but Jesus is also too often left on the outside. In that situation with our doors locked for a short moment we might be OK but for how long will God be patient with us? There is that limit which He knows for each one of us: 10 times for the children of Israel but only once for Moses!
 
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A faith so great because of the author and finisher of our faith to the point where it is more than faith... but just reading it or hearing with natural eye and natural ear will convince no one whose heart is not open. It is to them, the ones with open hearts, who will be convinced. As we see wandering around this forum, some people have closed their doors and locked them... supposedly against people who are wrong, but Jesus is also too often left on the outside. In that situation with our doors locked for a short moment we might be OK but for how long with God be patient with us? There is that limit which He knows for each one of us: 10 times for the children of Israel but only once for Moses!
More than faith would be love, I think! Loving Jesus!

I believe that in me our Lord abides forever. And that is reason for great rejoicing!!

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When we learn to let The Lord reign in our hearts, it is then, that we can not help but rejoice. It is then that our joy would be full. The fruit of The Spirit is ever present with The Lord, if only we would believe and let go, and let Him reign. Let this be so Lord!
 

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When we learn to let The Lord reign in our hearts, it is then, that we can not help but rejoice. It is then that our joy would be full. The fruit of The Spirit is ever present with The Lord, if only we would believe and let go, and let Him reign. Let this be so Lord!
Yes! We can't help but rejoice! Just letting ourselves go into the care of our Creator.

Let the peace of Christ rule in your heart, or, arbitrate in your heart. Separating soul and spirit.

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You mention being in the center of God's will. Can we trust Him enough to believe that we are actually in the center of His will? That "even this" is part of God's plan?

Well, as an imperfect human I mostly just get a feeling of being ok. No great convictions of blowing it big somewhere.
So maybe I'll just call it close enough to center that at least my conscience is clean, though as Paul says, though my conscience may be clean, even this will not judge me. :)
 

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Well, as an imperfect human I mostly just get a feeling of being ok. No great convictions of blowing it big somewhere.
So maybe I'll just call it close enough to center that at least my conscience is clean, though as Paul says, though my conscience may be clean, even this will not judge me. :)

Knowing that God still loves me, and remains with me, and holds nothing against me, I find that the more accept this reality, the more peace and joy I know, because the more I know Him here with me.

And like you say . . . our conscience isn't the final say, Jesus is. And He's the One here right now to give abundant life to me.

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Well, as an imperfect human I mostly just get a feeling of being ok. No great convictions of blowing it big somewhere.
So maybe I'll just call it close enough to center that at least my conscience is clean, though as Paul says, though my conscience may be clean, even this will not judge me. :)
When I said, "Even this" is part of His plan, I'm thinking too of the times I fail in living the new man, and the flesh shows itself in whatever way it does, to be able to accept that God knew this was coming, and knows how He will excise it from me once and for all.

I've seem many things which were to me at the time overwhelming, foreboding, downright terrifying, but God has shown Himself greater. So when I'm tempted to be discouraged because there is yet another proof that I'm not perfected yet, I trust God even for this. To be cleansing me from sin. And I rest in His assurance, reconciled to Him.

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When I said, "Even this" is part of His plan, I'm thinking too of the times I fail in living the new man, and the flesh shows itself in whatever way it does, to be able to accept that God knew this was coming, and knows how He will excise it from me once and for all.

I've seem many things which were to me at the time overwhelming, foreboding, downright terrifying, but God has shown Himself greater. So when I'm tempted to be discouraged because there is yet another proof that I'm not perfected yet, I trust God even for this. To be cleansing me from sin. And I rest in His assurance, reconciled to Him.

Much love!

The interesting thing about Paul's saying is that it brings to mind Jesus' teaching about, "he who knows not to do something yet does it will be beaten with many stripes, but he who knows not that he is doing wrong yet does it will be beaten with few" (that's a paraphrase). Our conscience is not the perfect judge of our conduct, but at least it's provided by God to light the way for us through what we currently understand. And not violating our conscience can be a tough enough battle as is, so there is always something to be said for walking close enough for it to be clear.

Takes the cross, however. There are always things each of us don't want to let go of.
 
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1. Being in the center of God's will, and
OK, now you've got my mind engaged in this idea . . . the center of God's will.

I think a lot of our rejoicing and lack of rejoicing may be tied to how close we are to the center of God's will.

I like that you said, center, as I don't know that God's will for us is always about "this, and not that", well, that's not it, rather, the "this, and not that", is not list of do's and don'ts, instead, it's "love, and not something else".

Finding the center of God's will I think would look like, in any given situation that we are in, we want the most loving response. The response that the closest to God's love coming straight through us, unadulterated.

We can be somewhat loving, more than we used to be, and that will bring us more to the center, and still within God's will. And the very center is pure love.

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walking close enough for it to be clear.
Walking close enough for it to be clear, I like that!

Reminds me . . .

Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

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We can be somewhat loving, more than we used to be, and that will bring us more to the center, and still within God's will. And the very center is pure love.

Absolutely.

In thinking about it, I think the golden rule (2nd greatest commandment) is a better means of knowing the center of His will than the conscience. The conscience may be at peace with a certain behavior as at least not being sinful, but the golden rule will shine light on love to a greater degree, so that your conscience is not only free but you feel blessed in your action as well.

It's as if the conscience is there largely to prohibit sin, but the golden rule is a guide to producing the fruit of the Spirit, which is an even better response.
 
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Reminds me . . .

Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

You know, I have to confess that Hebrews 5:14 is a verse the Lord has not given me clear understanding on yet. Not sure that it relates to conscience or not. Some commentators suggest the athlete's analogy is being used, and yet I don't fully grasp that either...

Maybe something I ought to pray about. :)
 

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Absolutely.

In thinking about it, I think the golden rule (2nd greatest commandment) is a better means of knowing the center of His will than the conscience. The conscience may be at peace with a certain behavior as at least not being sinful, but the golden rule will shine light on love to a greater degree, so that your conscience is not only free but you feel blessed in your action as well.

It's as if the conscience is there largely to prohibit sin, but the golden rule is a guide to producing the fruit of the Spirit, which is an even better response.
Very well said, I think!

It makes me think of studying the Bible. It seems like it's easy to find the evidence that certain things are not true. But learning true doctrine seems to be in understanding how a great many places all work together.

You have to learn it, know it.

Like love. Like you said, the conscience tags us about what we know we shouldn't do, but learning to respond in love, by which I mean a genuine and heartfelt concern for the wellbeing of another, there's a lot to learn about that.

Much love!
 
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You know, I have to confess that Hebrews 5:14 is a verse the Lord has not given me clear understanding on yet. Not sure that it relates to conscience or not. Some commentators suggest the athlete's analogy is being used, and yet I don't fully grasp that either...

Maybe something I ought to pray about. :)
Here's how I see it.

We learn from Scripture, and that learning is a writing upon our flesh, in our minds, as we begin the work of renewing the mind. The more we learn from Scripture, in particular the more we come to know God, and to understand ourselves, this is renewing our minds, establishing new ways to think, new concepts of reality.

Acting in keeping with this learning then both strengthens those neural connections and memories, but also establishes new ones, as we translate the learing, taking in, to action, giving out.

So we build a "reward circuit" in our mind, based on learning from Scripture, and acting upon that learning.

Of course all this pales in significance to the fact that the Holy Spirit is doing this construction within us to conform us to the image of Christ.

But I think this is a glimpse into a part of the process.

God works outside us, fruit is produced, we taste abundance, and want more.

And in this process, we are increasing our capacity for spiritual understanding as our mind is being renewed by this InTake/OutGo of God's Word producing His life in us.

When we don't trust, and so don't do what He leads us to do, then we're reinforcing the part of our brain that is in opposition to God, what I see to be the corrupted flesh.

When we do trust, and we do walk in what we've learned, we are able to receive greater understanding, and can better choose the correct path.

I think that God generally gives us "a bit more" to deal with than what we've had, in an increasing way, and that these are the afflictions which we receive as either testing or temptation, testing if we are enduring, temptation if our faith is faltering.

Much love!
 
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You know, I have to confess that Hebrews 5:14 is a verse the Lord has not given me clear understanding on yet. Not sure that it relates to conscience or not. Some commentators suggest the athlete's analogy is being used, and yet I don't fully grasp that either...

Maybe something I ought to pray about. :)

I'm inclined to think the analogy may be of one using the sword of the Spirit. A man is unskillful in it if he is still caught up in trying to understand the basics of the Christian faith (the milk), whereas if he consumes the meat of harder teaching (i.e. concerning bearing the cross for others in emulation of Christ. Hebrews 5:2), he becomes more skillful in the word, and is thus able to wield it more effectively in the lives of men (Hebrews 4:12-13).

Just theorizing out loud.
 

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I'm inclined to think the analogy may be of one using the sword of the Spirit. A man is unskillful in it if he is still caught up in trying to understand the basics of the Christian faith (the milk), whereas if he consumes the meat of harder teaching (i.e. concerning bearing the cross for others in emulation of Christ. Hebrews 5:2), he becomes more skillful in the word, and is thus able to wield it more effectively in the lives of men (Hebrews 4:12-13).

Just theorizing out loud.

Discerning good and evil in all respects, I'd think. To me the heart of the meaning here is in 'by reason of use', that is, we've submitted ourselves to the Word and are living it best we can, wanting to show His truth through our lives.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Amen!

We are in reality submitted to God, and look to the Holy Spirit to reveal to us in our lives what needs to be. That will be the next step, and I'm not sure steps can be skipped, but God has many ways to work with us. But taking that step will lead to the next, and further in, and further up we go.

Much love!
 
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Excellent, Nancy! Thanks for this!

I had it out with God about some things recently. He has spoken some promises to me, some of them years ago, that I have yet to see fulfilled. I have to say that I wasn't very nice to Him about it at all! But He is so kind and forgiving! He didn't strike me with lightening (even though some has come close to my house lately, lol).

He has NEVER left me nor forsaken me, as @marks pointed out!!
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So you "had it out with God", huh...did He put your hip out of joint like Jacob? :D
Well, He knows what we are thinking anyhow so, might as well get it out! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I wonder at times why He just doesn't snuff me out, and think of Psalm 8:4
"What is man that You take thought of him, And the son of man that You care for him?"
and Job 7:17
"What is man that You should exalt him, that You should set Your heart upon him,"

He "set's His heart" upon us! He exalts us as well and, if that isn't love then, I really don't know what is.

I do hope your promises come to fruition. The waiting can be tough
yet still...His perfect timing beats none :)
 

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So you "had it out with God", huh...did He put your hip out of joint like Jacob? :D
Well, He knows what we are thinking anyhow so, might as well get it out! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I wonder at times why He just doesn't snuff me out, and think of Psalm 8:4
"What is man that You take thought of him, And the son of man that You care for him?"
and Job 7:17
"What is man that You should exalt him, that You should set Your heart upon him,"

He "set's His heart" upon us! He exalts us as well and, if that isn't love then, I really don't know what is.

I do hope your promises come to fruition. The waiting can be tough
yet still...His perfect timing beats none :)
This is kind of funny. My hip has been out of whack. :eek:

Thanks for the encouragement. His timing is absolutely perfect. If only I can remember this!

I pray that you will see breakthroughs in the areas you need them!