Blasphemy Of The Holy Spirit

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Hi CB members i have a few questions reagrding the scriptures and hopefully i can get some posotive feedback, my question partains to the following scriptures: Matthew 12:31, Matthew 12:32, Mark 3:28, Mark 3:29 and Mark 3:30 as well as Luke 12:10.

My main questions are as follows:

Can blasphemy of the holy spirit occur in this age?

if christ forgives all sin then why is this the only one that he doesnt?

Does this occur in the end times when were delivered up before antichrist?

What exacly defines blasphemy of the holy spirit? is it when doubts occur in your mind? is it when you take a stand against the church? also what if you have thought about just abandoning god altogether does this count as blasphemy?

Pray for me for i feel that i am not worthy to receive gods kingdom and love, doubts occur and i have doubted the holy spirit before and sometimes i feel like im going to hell. Im sorry if i have offended anyone in writing this but sometimes to me anyway it just seems impossible to please god without doubting.
 

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Hi CB members i have a few questions reagrding the scriptures and hopefully i can get some posotive feedback, my question partains to the following scriptures: Matthew 12:31, Matthew 12:32, Mark 3:28, Mark 3:29 and Mark 3:30 as well as Luke 12:10.

My main questions are as follows:

Can blasphemy of the holy spirit occur in this age?

if christ forgives all sin then why is this the only one that he doesnt?

Does this occur in the end times when were delivered up before antichrist?

What exacly defines blasphemy of the holy spirit? is it when doubts occur in your mind? is it when you take a stand against the church? also what if you have thought about just abandoning god altogether does this count as blasphemy?

Pray for me for i feel that i am not worthy to receive gods kingdom and love, doubts occur and i have doubted the holy spirit before and sometimes i feel like im going to hell. Im sorry if i have offended anyone in writing this but sometimes to me anyway it just seems impossible to please god without doubting.

Hello Gumby:

If one uses Miles Coverdale's principal, which I am sure you know, then the "unforgivable sin" does not apply to this Age (Dispensation).
Taking each of your ref's in context, they are speaking to Jews, and in particular the Pharisaic Leadership.
Regarding the pain of your "doubting", this in the sincere person will lead to prayerful study and work at Scripture.
 

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Hello Gumby:

If one uses Miles Coverdale's principal, which I am sure you know, then the "unforgivable sin" does not apply to this Age (Dispensation).
Taking each of your ref's in context, they are speaking to Jews, and in particular the Pharisaic Leadership.
Regarding the pain of your "doubting", this in the sincere person will lead to prayerful study and work at Scripture.

Thats something i dont understand though if jesus was speaking to the jews then why would matthew wright the verse to the gentiles? Look at thomas though thomas denied christ countless times and repented of it. So that theads me to this conclusion if thomas and peter denied christ isnt that commiting blasphemy of the holy spirit because god is in three roles father son and holy spirit.
 

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Even though they rejected the Holy Spirit at first when they said that the truth and deliverance Jesus brought to them was in fact by Beelzebub, they shall yet be saved. Upon this accusation and rejection, Jesus warned them emphatically, "Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world (age, that is, the age of Law under which they presently were), neither in the world (age) to come" --Matthew 12:31,32.

The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost would not be forgiven the Jews during the present age of Law, under which they then resided, nor would it be forgiven during the age to come, during the ensuing Church age or Age of grace, as some call it. In no instance are we given to believe it will never be forgiven. I know that in verse 31 Jesus says, ". . . shall not be forgiven." But He Himself goes on to qualify that statement by saying that forgiveness would not be forthcoming . . . in "this present" age or in the one then coming on.
 
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Thats something i dont understand though if jesus was speaking to the jews then why would matthew wright the verse to the gentiles? Look at thomas though thomas denied christ countless times and repented of it. So that theads me to this conclusion if thomas and peter denied christ isnt that commiting blasphemy of the holy spirit because god is in three roles father son and holy spirit.


The context of the subject, is that of attributing to Satan what is God's prerogative. Take it from there, and see the sense.
 

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Well your problem here Gumby is you are not understanding what blasphemy really means. Blasphemy is not "doubting God". It has nothing to do with that. Blasphemy is when you attribute something of the Holy Spirit to Satan. In other words, when you take something that the Holy Spirit has done and you say that it was Satan who was responsible for it, not God. Or vise-versa. That is what blasphemy is, it has nothing to do with doubting God.

Hopefully that clears it up a little for you.
 

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Can blasphemy of the holy spirit occur in this age?

I think the answer is yes - first I'd point out that Christ brings this up in Mark 3 when the scribes had just accused him of having an unclean spirit. The "difficult" part about the sin is that it's committed at a specific time and it's not something that just happens. The single most asked question I see with this is when folks wonder if they committed the sin. I don't think it's something you'll wonder about, and it's not just blasphemy of Christ or even God.

if christ forgives all sin then why is this the only one that he doesnt?

If Christians are without the Holy Spirit...well...that's not a place you want to be. As John 14:26 says, He is our comforter sent from God. If you reject him, then you certainly reject the rest.


Does this occur in the end times when were delivered up before antichrist?

Luke 12 is the great indication that it will. Compare what's said in Luke with Mattew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21.

What exacly defines blasphemy of the holy spirit? is it when doubts occur in your mind? is it when you take a stand against the church? also what if you have thought about just abandoning god altogether does this count as blasphemy?

Notice that blasphemy is testifying against God. It's a specific circumstance. Doubt alone is not this circumstance.
 

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As one who's suffered with the paranoia that they commited the unpardonable sin, and still struggles with it in different degrees,, mostly just pangs of past habitual worry and self torment.........

I do have a little insight on this whole deal. Some of which Christina and Jordan have helped me understand a little bit.....

It does seem likely that this sin can't be commited today,,,, It does seem probable that it is in a future tense. But, as some mentioned in this topic, and with my recent thoughts on the "ages" and explainations from a topic in this board about the Jews "position" in the church, here are some things that I do completely know.

The Unpardonable sin is nearly impossible for anyone to do. If blasphemy is said in a heated moment, out of anger, or ignorance,,, it can and will be forgiven. No matter who it's against.

In order to commit an unpardonable sin it must absolutely be meant and intended to be a way to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

In other words,,,, If you see some sort of "miracle" going on, (such as the gold dust and jewel cult) and attribute those things to Satan, and later on find infact that they are from God,,, You are not guilty of an unpardonable sin.

But, in the same sense, If you see a miracle and decide to mock God about it, and curse him for making it possible, for what ever reason,,,,, you may be guilty of some form of blasphemy.

However,, What we must remember is,, God is infinate in His wisdom and mercy! God knows the motives of the heart and judges according to His glory, wisdom, love, and justice!

This isn't to say we should be careless about what we say,, there's dangers in our words and damnation in them. However,, We can't obsessively worry about this, it will rob us of our lives as it did much of mine.

Trust in the Lord,
 

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Hi there CB members in the past 24 hours a lot has changed and a revelation from the lord has been shown to me, i as well as another person from my work witnessed to one close freind that was going through some problems. The man sufferd from being an alcoholic and now is cleansed he also received jesus tonight and the lord has shown me that even at my weakest point in life even when i have the most doubt that i can still move mountains in his name. Not only that but my freinds wife at work got a court case dropped against here and is getting involved in church and mending her ways as well. John 1:7 amd John 1:8 tells of how john witnessed and as far as im concerned im going to cast aside all doubts and fear and just start living with my hair on fore for christ (spiritually speaking of hair on fire that is)
 

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Hi CB members i have a few questions reagrding the scriptures and hopefully i can get some posotive feedback, my question partains to the following scriptures: Matthew 12:31, Matthew 12:32, Mark 3:28, Mark 3:29 and Mark 3:30 as well as Luke 12:10.

My main questions are as follows:

Can blasphemy of the holy spirit occur in this age?

Yes.

if christ forgives all sin then why is this the only one that he doesnt?

The Blood of Christ does not cover all sins. Because Jesus clearly stated that the particular sin of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit never will be forgiven. So the doctrine derived from the traditions of men that "Christ forgives all sins" is a lie.

Does this occur in the end times when were delivered up before antichrist?

It happens when ever a person indewelled by the Holy Spirit is accused of being possesed by a demon.

What exacly defines blasphemy of the holy spirit? is it when doubts occur in your mind? is it when you take a stand against the church? also what if you have thought about just abandoning god altogether does this count as blasphemy?

It is what Jesus said it was.

For some reasion people have let there imaginations run wild and have added many things to what it is and at the same time covering up what it actually is. But the Word of Jesus stands irrespective of the traditions of men.

Pray for me for i feel that i am not worthy to receive gods kingdom and love,

Of cource we are not worthy. Anyone who thinks they are worthy is standing on a faulty foundation and is ready for a fall.


doubts occur and i have doubted the holy spirit before and sometimes i feel like im going to hell. Im sorry if i have offended anyone in writing this but sometimes to me anyway it just seems impossible to please god without doubting.

Learn from what Jesus said:

Mark 2
15 Now it happened, as He was dining in Levi’s house, that many tax collectors and sinners also sat together with Jesus and His disciples; for there were many, and they followed Him. 16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw Him eating with the tax collectors and sinners, they said to His disciples, “How is it that He eats and drinks with tax collectors and sinners?”
17 When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

Jesus came for us.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 

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The thing to notice is that it says it will never be forgiven Christ died for all sin ...So this should give you a clue it has never happened yet .... It is reserved for an appointed time ....
Only Satan has been given this judgement so that should tell you the severity of it .... God does not give this kind of Pentality on some unsupecting human ..
If you commit this sin you will do it with full knowledge just as Satan has full knowledge of what he does. When is this appointed time? Well first the holy ghost must come on one before they can deny it ...So where do we read of this occuring ?

Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead [you], and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

This is during the tribulation we are not to premeditate what we will say as God will speak through us (think Penecost day as our example) If one would deny God at this time he commits the unforgivable sin.
 
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Jesus Christ's blood DOES forgive all sins. It is a whosoever Gospel and that can be proved easily with many many verses. The most common being John 3:16.
 

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The "whosoever" gospel should be looked with wide opened spiritual eyes. Especially Jon 3;16.


I have always hated the way traditional teaching has used this awesome verse in the Bible on one hand to point to
salvation which it does; but on the other hand condemn the rest of humanity which it does not.

(KJV) John 3 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:15
That whosoever believeth in him should (not perish,) should be ommited), but have eternal life.16 For God so loved
the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that (whosoever, should be "all") (believeth, should be that
"all believing") in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the
world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Now we will look at a passage in the New Testament; viz., that precious declaration in John 3:16,
"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son," etc. We will take into consideration verses 14-17
inclusive; first I will clear up several points of obscurity and error and then give the rendering as it should be.

In verse 15 the words "not perish but" should be omitted; according to the best authorities they have been
interpolated, probably from the following verse; they are left out from the New Version.

Strong's Whosoever 3956 pas (pas);including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all,
any, every, the whole: KJV-- all (manner of, means), alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way),
as many as, + no (-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

The word "whosoever" in the l5th and l6th verses should be rendered "all"; in the original it is
the word usually rendered all throughout the New Testament; it occurs hundreds of times, and it is rendered
"all" in over nine hundred instances, and whosoever in only about forty; the rendering all then is plainly the usual one.

The word rendered "believeth," in the original is a participle, "believing"; the clause should read, "that all,
believing in him should not," etc. The words, "believing in him," are explanatory, telling us how "all" are to
be saved, viz, by believing in him. In the common version it will be noticed that the participle is, without
authority, rendered by the verb "believeth," and the words, "whosoever believeth in him" are thereby made to
have a conditional force, as though it read, if they believe in him, implying that some will not believe in
him, and hence will perish, and be lost eternally. But this is not a correct rendering of the original, as I
have shown above; the clause is not conditional, but is thrown in, as a participial form, as explanatory of
the manner of the world's salvation, by believing in him; this view is fully confirmed by the l9th verse;
"for God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved."

Might be saved: Stong's 4982 sozo (sode'-zo); from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, "safe");
to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): KJV-- heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be
(make) whole. The word “might” was added by the translator

Now I will give the whole passage as it ought to be.

"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up, that all,
believing in him. might have æonial life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son,
that all, believing in him, might not perish, but have æonial life. For God sent not his Son into the world
to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved."

Thus truthfully translated this passage is one of the grandest and most sweeping declarations of
the final universal triumph of God's grace in the salvation of the world, contained in the Bible. It is
positive and direct, and mighty enough, could they only appreciate it, to utterly silence all those narrow,
shortsighted souls who think that God will only gain a partial victory over the devil, that he will not save
the world, but only a portion of it, a vast number being eternally lost. It is very plain why the translators
of the common version handled this passage as they did. Their creed would not allow them to accept it just as
it reads; it required only a slight change to make it conform to their own idea. They insert the unusual rendering
"whosoever," change believing to "believeth," and then, punctuating it accordingly, the passage is "tinkered" so as
to harmonize with the creed. Thank God for deliverance from man made creeds!

"Let God be true, though every man be false" (Rom. 3:4).

Young’s Literal John 3:14 `And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man
to be lifted up,
15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during,
16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing
in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved
through him;


Jesus Christ's blood DOES forgive all sins. It is a whosoever Gospel and that can be proved easily with many many verses. The most common being John 3:16.