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bbyrd009

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So your vote in a poll would be "no doctrinally pure church" then?

I don't by any means intend to put you on the spot (after all, you're certainly not the first one ever to express the sentiment), but that's kinda sad when you think about it. I mean, Israel had the truth--Christ said as much in John 4:22. But He's left His end-time church without a true orthodoxy. Somehow it doesn't make sense. I can't think of a good explanation for such a state of affairs that wouldn't seem like rationalization.
imo thats gotta be pretty much what a diaspora feels like eh?
we seek to congregate with the like-minded, and build towers,
and Yah seeks entropy, every mountain levelled, every valley filled
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I mean, Israel had the truth--Christ said as much in John 4:22
hmm. Jews had the vowels anyway, we worship what we know doesnt necessarily mean "truth?"
 
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Who was it that said you were not a Christian?

I remember one man, who had been my nominal pastor during some really bad times for me, left town after he had driven away all but two members [myself and my Mexican friend who died earlier this year] of a medium sized assembly. His wife was the instigator, but he was the one, who seemed to have the responsibility. He said in effect before he left that that town had no one left in it who was serving or would serve God. He did not run out of towns but of people. Personally, I liked him. As a pastor his best accomplishment was not blaming his wife for causing all of the trouble. She really did for the most part, but he never lifted a finger to stop her or that I could see to help her. Not everyone that left was without fault, but nonetheless they were driven away. He was never really a pastor, but he did carry the title... until he left too.

Now he is in another state with another church. I visited once many years ago shortly after he left the one in my state. He really wanted some of his old members to follow him to the new place. Not one ever did.
ha. what drove everyone away, while you stayed?
 

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Hey Phillip! I hope you are blessed today.

Thank you. it was a good day! praise the Lord! I hope you have a blessed evening!

Listen, don't take offense, but I had to chuckle reading your post.

I am not offended. ;)

however I would ask you if you think its fair to suggest:

We must not be mental automatons that think as we are told. If so, we are doomed already.

applies to the members of the Catholic Church. Your own post acknowledged that there are respectable Catholic theologians. (and I expect you would be surprised at the wide variety of rites, devotions, cultures, apostolates, missions, orders.... yet all united in Christ!)

The Catholic Church has always maintained that Faith and reason go hand in hand. It encourages scholarship! But we do not put our faith in men. We put our faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit to build, preserve and lead His Church despite the failings of men..
what so many claim for themselves, personally, we claim for the Church as a whole, and the authority that Christ gave to His Church: 'He who hears you hears me..'

Can one claim authority who has not received it from who has the authority to give it?

Further, I would suggest that the Truth does not change, and hence what was true for our brothers and sisters in 50 AD, 100 AD, 500 AD, 1000 AD..
must still be true today!

Consider the Church in Alexandria ,not in full communion with Rome for 1500+ years.. yet they hold fast recognizably to the Faith handed on to them by the apostles... compare with the Church in Rome..

Here you have 2, 2000 year old living witnesses to that which Christ gave us through the apostles...

Are we doomed if we abandon the faith of our fathers?

'lean not on your own understanding'

but be careful who you listen too..

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.


Peace be with you!
 

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imo thats gotta be pretty much what a diaspora feels like eh?
we seek to congregate with the like-minded, and build towers,
and Yah seeks entropy, every mountain levelled, every valley filled
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hmm. Jews had the vowels anyway, we worship what we know doesnt necessarily mean "truth?"
Yep the ground at the cross is level.
 
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imo thats gotta be pretty much what a diaspora feels like eh?
we seek to congregate with the like-minded, and build towers,
and Yah seeks entropy, every mountain levelled, every valley filled
.
hmm. Jews had the vowels anyway, we worship what we know doesnt necessarily mean "truth?"
That bunch way back in the day built it in a valley the way I understand, I’m sure it was cool there with all the shadows, but there was also death there.
 
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Hello amadeus,
Sounds good and really is good insofar as God agrees with it...

Am I right while you are wrong?


Is it my place to judge you?

My doctrine is not my own, but that of my brothers and sisters for 2000 years.

It it necessary to agree precisely in order for both of us to please God?

I sure hope not! But then again, I am not the judge.

I hope you would agree that we must each obey our concience... 'happy the man who's concience does not condemn him'..
but that we must also be careful not to 'sear' our concience... (quench the Spirit?)



And if what you say is so, how does one know when it is that the "Church" is doing the correcting rather than some man or group of men?


That's a good question! How did the churches know that circumcision of the flesh was no longer required? A council of the elders of the Church!
'it seemed good to us and to the Holy Spirit...'

Further I would suggest that the witness of Alexandria and Rome, so similar even after 1500 years, is evidence that the Spirit works through the legitimate authority of the bishops of the Church.


"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" II Tim 3:16

But as we know lots of people have access to Bibles containing what most people will agree is scripture. In spite of that they, as we have seen on this very forum, often disagree in when or what to reprove, to correct or to instruct.

So many want to be bishop without understanding the responsibility that comes with it... Not me thanks, I screw up enough with the 6 that I have to answer for...

Peace be with you!
 

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What makes you think mens churches have the truth, only Christ does but so few are willing to submit to Him.

Hello mrjheath,

whatsoever 'mens churches' have that they received from Christ's Church, remains true regardless...

Christ and His Church are One!

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!
 

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If you believe your denomination is teaching something that is closer to the truth than others, does that necessarily mean you are narrow-minded or elitist or, worse yet, look down on those of other faiths?
It could possibly mean you have convictions and those convictions are in line with what that denomination teaches.
Hopefully, those that hold that the Bible is God's Word have those same convictions.
People can look down on others whether or not they have any convictions. For example, some are quite proud of how ecumenical they are and call others with dogmatic stances "Pharisee!" or some such nonsense.
 
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whatsoever 'mens churches' have that they received from Christ's Church, remains true regardless...

Christ and His Church are One!
Mens church and His church are not one and the same, do you think His bride is ugly and divided like men and his religions
 

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If you believe your denomination is teaching something that is closer to the truth than others, does that necessarily mean you are narrow-minded or elitist or, worse yet, look down on those of other faiths?
Can't see the point of the question.
 

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No. I feel sorry for others that are not Traditional Christians, those who have walked away because they can not believe all of Christ words like "this is my Body" and this" is my Blood". Of course most everyone here hate me for one reason or another if it's not for my stance on mask it's hatred for my Traditional Christianity. sigh.
I believe another name for traditional Christianity is maintaining the status quo where most of the time nothing happens.
 
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Hah, true enough. But God is not fooled...

Serviam!
Oh but man has being, look at all his towers he has built to heaven, just like babylon. Yes God is no fool that why Jesus called His people out.. Come out of her my people.