God's Full Salvation Revealed In Romans

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rob

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(Romans 5:10) For if we, being enemies, were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more we will be saved in His life, having been reconciled.

Verse 10 of this chapter points out that God's full salvation revealed in this book consists of two sections: One section is the redemption accomplished for us by Christ's death, and the other section is the saving afforded us by Christ's life. The first four chapters of this book discourse comprehensively regarding the redemption accomplished by Christ's death, whereas the last rwelve chapters speak in detail concerning the saving afforded by Christ's life. Before 5:11, Paul shows us that we are saved because we have been redeemed, justified, and reconciled to God. However, we have not yet been saved to the extent of being sanctified, transformed, and conformed to the image of God's Son. Redemption, justification, and reconciliation, which are accomplished outside of us by the death of Christ, redeem us objectively; sanctification, transformation, and conformation, which are accomplished within us by the working of Christ's life, save us subjectively.
Objective redemption redeems us positionally from condemnation and eternal punishment; subjective salvation saves us dispositionally from our old man, our self, and our natural life.
Being reconciled to God through Christ's death is an accomplished matter, but being saved in His life from so many negative things unto glorification is a daily matter.
To be saved in Christ's life is to be saved in Christ Himself as life. He dwells in us, and we are organically one with HIm. By the growth of His life in us, we will enjoy His full salvation to the uttermost.
Redemption, justification, and reconciliation are for the purpose of bringing us into union with Christ so that He can save us in His life unto glorification (8:30). After death is spoken of in the first part of this verse, life is mentioned. Christ died that He might be our life in resurrectionn. We have been saved by Christ's death from God's eternal judgment and eternal punishment, but we are still being saved by Christ's life in His resurrection. The life here, the power in 1:16, and the Spirit in chapter 8 refer to different aspects of the processed Triune God. In verse 11 to boast in God means to have God as our boast and our exultation, indicating that God is our enjoyment and our rejoicing. It is in boasting, in exulting, and in enjoying in this way that we are being saved in the life of Christ.
 

TallMan

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(Romans 5:10) For if we, being enemies, were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more we will be saved in His life, having been reconciled.
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But who is "we"?
Paul was writing to people who, like the Corinthians and orhers he wrote to, were known to have receiuved salvation by receiving God's Spirit, evidenced by speaking in tongues - see Romans 8:8, 15-16; Acts 19:1-6, Gal.4:6.

Many spend years discussing letters which are not written to them because they do not have the new Life those letters talk about.
 

Christina

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But who is "we"?
Paul was writing to people who, like the Corinthians and orhers he wrote to, were known to have receiuved salvation by receiving God's Spirit, evidenced by speaking in tongues - see Romans 8:8, 15-16; Acts 19:1-6, Gal.4:6.

Many spend years discussing letters which are not written to them because they do not have the new Life those letters talk about.
ALL Believers ......
Tallman if we are to do as your theroy suggests then the bible is worthless to us except as history book.
You are not a Corinthian, you tell yourself well it must mean I must be like a Corinthian but now where are we told that.
You have taken one aspect of a certain group and decided the entire word of God is about one aspect of certain group.
It a complete wrong assumption ...
Just because a book is written to certain group the Entire bible is to all men upon the earth
belivers are to behave a certain way. What is that way ?Believe in Christ that he is your savior and repent of your sins.
The life lesson taught in the bible are for everyone.
If the book only applies to tribes groups the Apostels were talking to at the time that pretty rules out everyone today including you. Why then should you not follow the Thessolians or the Pharisees ?
 

TallMan

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ALL Believers ......
Tallman if we are to do as your theroy suggests then the bible is worthless to us except as history book.
You are not a Corinthian, you tell yourself well it must mean I must be like a Corinthian but now where are we told that.
You have taken one aspect of a certain group and decided the entire word of God is about one aspect of certain group.
It a complete wrong assumption ...
Just because a book is written to certain group the Entire bible is to all men upon the earth
belivers are to behave a certain way. What is that way ?Believe in Christ that he is your savior and repent of your sins.
The life lesson taught in the bible are for everyone.
If the book only applies to tribes groups the Apostels were talking to at the time that pretty rules out everyone today including you. Why then should you not follow the Thessolians or the Pharisees ?
You are not appreciating that there is one faith. The same apostles were preaching the same to all the churches though the same detail is not repeated in every letter.
Acts details the receiving of the Spirit (becoming a Christian) and how they knew - get that wrong and the letters are not written to you (yet).

Corinthians details the use of tongues more than other letters because they were getting it wrong.
 

jiggyfly

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[font="'trebuchet ms"] Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life. Romans 5:18

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Romans 11:32


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epistemaniac

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this teaching seems to come from Witness Lee, and the Living Stream Ministry he founded... the exact quote seems to come from portions of http://lctestimony.org/StatementOfTeachings.html under the heading "God’s Full Salvation— Judicial Redemption and Organic Salvation" about 2/3 of the way down the page... while both Watchman and Witness Lee were courageous followers of Christ and did much good for the Kingdom of God, there are some problems with the churches that have sprung up as followers of these 2 men of God...

however, I personally agree with much of the excerpt in Rob's post... I think that there is an important "already/not yet" aspect to the NT's teachings, and that a person is saved positionally when they are regenerated such that legally, they are now found to be standing in the righteousness of Christ who perfectly fulfilled the law's demands for the helpless lost sinner. Secondly then, after regeneration comes sanctification, which is an ongoing life long precess for the believer, eg they are saved, are being saved, and will be saved., However, when the article states "sanctification, transformation, and conformation, which are accomplished within us by the working of Christ's life, save us subjectively." I would have to say that it is Christ's total work on behalf of the sinner that accomplishes all of salvation, from regeneration, to sanctification, to glorification. So I think it is a bit arbitrary to say that a believer is saved in one way by Christ's death, and yet, in another way saved by His life. Christ, as Prophet, Priest and King, satisfied all of the law's demands by the entirety of His existence, and it is this entirety of Christ's merit that is applied to the sinner's account such that they are saved on the basis of Christ's finished work, through His perfect life of obedience, His sacrificial death on the cross, His resurrection vindicating the Father's approval of His life and ministry, His ascension to heaven where He intercedes on behalf of the saints, to His one day glorious return.

blessings,
ken
 

horsecamp

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But who is "we"?
Paul was writing to people who, like the Corinthians and orhers he wrote to, were known to have receiuved salvation by receiving God's Spirit, evidenced by speaking in tongues - see Romans 8:8, 15-16; Acts 19:1-6, Gal.4:6.

Many spend years discussing letters which are not written to them because they do not have the new Life those letters talk about.

here "we" would be the Whole world including people in hell.
objective justification
2 Corinthians 5:19 (
19that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.


now here is how we receive the benefits of what Christ has done TRUST IN HIS WORK ALONE

here "we" would be believers in -------Gods great exchange JESUS imputed record to us by God for Jesus sake WHIO LIVED a PERFECT LIFE FOR US AND WAS WILLING CRUCIFIED IN OUR WICKED STEAD..
subjective justification
Romans 4:5
5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
 

gumby

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Very good post. I do agree it is a daily thing that we are to keep ourselves in check. Luke 11:3 and Acts 17:11.
 

jiggyfly

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Yes indeed, I too agree good post HC
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