How Will It Be In Gods New Kingdom ?

musicworld said:

Hi

Could any experienced Christian on scripture here explaine/define how it will be for those who have overcome and are granted an eternal life and are accepted in Gods new kingdom as apposed to the existence we are experiencing now, i don't mean to sound unintelligent or foolish but in Gods new kingdom will one have to work, will money exist, will there be a night and day, will there be animals creatures or seasons. I know all the answers are in the bible but sometimes it's just hard to define.

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We don't know a lot...mostly because it is indescribable. Our minds here cannot comprehend what things will be like exactly and there are no words to describe it.

BUT

What we can say is that God created us to live and have life. God saved us from our sins and freed us from the enslavement of fear and wants so that we can have life more abundantly.
So...obviously all the good things we have in life now (such as relationships and love) will be present in heaven without any of the bad things that plague us here on earth like fatigue, broken heartedness, and sadness. We are supposed to be able to laugh so hard that we cry regularly in Heaven.

I dare say that since Adam was there to tend the Garden before the fall we will have tasks appointed to us once we arrive in Heaven as well. Sitting around and doing nothing sounds nothing like living to me.

But also I think that in Heaven we will be able to do more than we ever could before without any of the troubles we have here on Earth. There is obviously a different form of capital in Heaven because the streets are paved with Gold...meaning it is worthless there.

Obviously there must be some other form of currency there...But the currency we have there is issued to us based upon our efforts here. So...who knows but God?

animals-yes food-yes work-yes
sin-no

Hi Music,
There is a difference between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God. A careful study of Matthew 13 will get you started on the Kingdom of Heaven. The Kingdom of God deals with the eternity. Now day and night, in a literal sense, yes, especially in the Kingdom of Heaven, but in the Kingdom of God there may be a surprise. Here we move into the third world age and there may be changes to the earths orbit and angle to the sun.


Irish

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

My advice is to get there first. God will take care of the rest.

JohnDB: Obviously there must be some other form of currency there. But the currency we have there is issued to us based upon our efforts here. So...who knows but God?

Sorry but there will be no currency in Heaven. The Bible says that money (or currency) is the root of all evil so why would God use something like that in His Holy kingdom? We will not need to buy anything as everything will be supplied for us.

The Gospel of Matthew deals with Christ as the King. It will deal with the millennium primarily. The parable of the sower, the proclamations, the Kingdom of Heaven in Matt. 13 are all inter-related. As you will see there are a lot of negative things mentioned here. The Proclamation of the Kingdom is related to the parable of the sower. These are dealing with the Kingdom of Heaven duration. The proclamations are some of the most important things to understand going into the end days, and from what I see are seldom ever truly looked at. This is definitely esoteric in application, that's why he spoke in parable to the multitudes, but spoke plainly to his disciples ( and really to them only dispensationaly ).
....Remember Christ himself returns at the beginning of the millennium, And the God Head returns at the end.

Irish

Irish said:

Hi Music,
There is a difference between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God. A careful study of Matthew 13 will get you started on the Kingdom of Heaven. The Kingdom of God deals with the eternity. Now day and night, in a literal sense, yes, especially in the Kingdom of Heaven, but in the Kingdom of God there may be a surprise. Here we move into the third world age and there may be changes to the earths orbit and angle to the sun.


Irish

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Could your please explain this difference?

musicworld said:

Hi

Could any experienced Christian on scripture here explaine/define how it will be for those who have overcome and are granted an eternal life and are accepted in Gods new kingdom as apposed to the existence we are experiencing now, i don't mean to sound unintelligent or foolish but in Gods new kingdom will one have to work, will money exist, will there be a night and day, will there be animals creatures or seasons. I know all the answers are in the bible but sometimes it's just hard to define.

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There is not a lot of information about that time, however, we do know that Christ will reign from Jerusalem. I suspect that the Jews will inhabit their land allotments. As for the Gentiles I am not really sure.

Butch5 said:

Could your please explain this difference?

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I'll give it a shot:

From Appendix 114 in the Companion Bible.......

First concerning the Kingdom of heaven,
1) Messiah for its king
2) from heaven and on earth...........(consider the in heaven on earth visions in rev.)
3) limited in scope
4) political in its sphere
5) Jewish and exclusive in character
6) national in aspect
7) Special subject of old testament prophecy
8) dispensational in its duration


Now the Kingdom of God:
1) has God for ruler
2) In heaven over earth
3) unlimited in scope
4) moral and spiritual in sphere
5) It is inclusive in its character ( embracing the natural and spiritual seeds of Abraham ( the heavenly calling and the church of the mystery), hence...
6) it is universal in its aspect
7) It is (in its wider aspect) the subject of New testament Revelation
8) And it will be eternal in its duration

There is a lot to absorb here huh!

This will get you started on dispensational truths also.


Now onto the earth,

Remember in Genesis 1:2 where the earth became void and without form, that wasn't its original condition. This was the really big flood not the relatively small one of Noah. This appears to have been 13,000+ years ago. Noah's flood was around 2348 bc. The earth back around 13000 years ago was a garden, a pretty cool place. Some scholars (PM) think that at the time of the overthrow that the earth was tilted 23-1/2 degrees and this brought in the void and without form of Genesis. Pastor Murray states that there was a mastodon found in Siberia around the turn of the 1900's that the meat was still intact. Butchers of the day stated that in order for a large animal as such to be preserved in such good condition the animal would have to have been subjected to -140 degree temps. This would happen if the cold of space were to migrate to the earth.......some speculation but interesting. In Romans 8:22 we see that the whole of creation groans and travaileth in pain together until now. So future conditions will be set straight again. In Revelation 22:5 we get a sneak peek of this, "and there shall be no night there, and they need no candle, neither light of the sun, for the Lord God giveth them light". Aside from the spiritual meaning here we also see the earths condition. Picture this: if much of the water was back in the atmoshere and the suns light hit it, it might look like a soft light bulb where the light would refract all around the earth.....just a thought.


Irish

Irish said:

I'll give it a shot:

From Appendix 114 in the Companion Bible.......

First concerning the Kingdom of heaven,
1) Messiah for its king
2) from heaven and on earth...........(consider the in heaven on earth visions in rev.)
3) limited in scope
4) political in its sphere
5) Jewish and exclusive in character
6) national in aspect
7) Special subject of old testament prophecy
8) dispensational in its duration


Now the Kingdom of God:
1) has God for ruler
2) In heaven over earth
3) unlimited in scope
4) moral and spiritual in sphere
5) It is inclusive in its character ( embracing the natural and spiritual seeds of Abraham ( the heavenly calling and the church of the mystery), hence...
6) it is universal in its aspect
7) It is (in its wider aspect) the subject of New testament Revelation
8) And it will be eternal in its duration

There is a lot to absorb here huh!

This will get you started on dispensational truths also.


Now onto the earth,

Remember in Genesis 1:2 where the earth became void and without form, that wasn't its original condition. This was the really big flood not the relatively small one of Noah. This appears to have been 13,000+ years ago. Noah's flood was around 2348 bc. The earth back around 13000 years ago was a garden, a pretty cool place. Some scholars (PM) think that at the time of the overthrow that the earth was tilted 23-1/2 degrees and this brought in the void and without form of Genesis. Pastor Murray states that there was a mastodon found in Siberia around the turn of the 1900's that the meat was still intact. Butchers of the day stated that in order for a large animal as such to be preserved in such good condition the animal would have to have been subjected to -140 degree temps. This would happen if the cold of space were to migrate to the earth.......some speculation but interesting. In Romans 8:22 we see that the whole of creation groans and travaileth in pain together until now. So future conditions will be set straight again. In Revelation 22:5 we get a sneak peek of this, "and there shall be no night there, and they need no candle, neither light of the sun, for the Lord God giveth them light". Aside from the spiritual meaning here we also see the earths condition. Picture this: if much of the water was back in the atmoshere and the suns light hit it, it might look like a soft light bulb where the light would refract all around the earth.....just a thought.


Irish

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Usher puts the date of creation at 4004 B.C., it seems anything prior is specualtion.

Hi Butch,

I'm not speculating on the time really, you can do it like this:

1) First day......Creation
2) second day......divided waters ect.
3) 3rd day
4) 4th day
5) 5th day
6) 6th day.....Created Adam ( the race)
7) 7th day......God rests.......( so now we are already seven thousand years from creation)

8) 8th day ( here is where the Adam and Eve we all know were not created but formed....4004 BC if you will)
9) 9th day or second day of the new week of thousand year periods
10) 10th day
11) 11th day
12) 12th day.......Christ is born at the end of the 12th or beginning of 13th day
13) 13th day.....we are now at approximately 1000 AD at the beginning of the 13th day
14) We are now at the end of the 13th or beginning of the 14th day

Let this one thing not be hidden from you, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day!

This knowledge will go a long way towards understanding the Pyramid and the seventh seal.


Irish

Irish said:

Hi Butch,

I'm not speculating on the time really, you can do it like this:

1) First day......Creation
2) second day......divided waters ect.
3) 3rd day
4) 4th day
5) 5th day
6) 6th day.....Created Adam ( the race)
7) 7th day......God rests.......( so now we are already seven thousand years from creation)

8) 8th day ( here is where the Adam and Eve we all know were not created but formed....4004 BC if you will)
9) 9th day or second day of the new week of thousand year periods
10) 10th day
11) 11th day
12) 12th day.......Christ is born at the end of the 12th or beginning of 13th day
13) 13th day.....we are now at approximately 1000 AD at the beginning of the 13th day
14) We are now at the end of the 13th or beginning of the 14th day

Let this one thing not be hidden from you, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day!

This knowledge will go a long way towards understanding the Pyramid and the seventh seal.


Irish

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That would mean that the Lord's Day would be the 14th day which will begin sometime soon.

I would be interested in your understanding the Pyramid and the seventh seal, but since that is another topic maybe we should start a new topic.

Irish said:

Hi Butch,

I'm not speculating on the time really, you can do it like this:

1) First day......Creation
2) second day......divided waters ect.
3) 3rd day
4) 4th day
5) 5th day
6) 6th day.....Created Adam ( the race)
7) 7th day......God rests.......( so now we are already seven thousand years from creation)

8) 8th day ( here is where the Adam and Eve we all know were not created but formed....4004 BC if you will)
9) 9th day or second day of the new week of thousand year periods
10) 10th day
11) 11th day
12) 12th day.......Christ is born at the end of the 12th or beginning of 13th day
13) 13th day.....we are now at approximately 1000 AD at the beginning of the 13th day
14) We are now at the end of the 13th or beginning of the 14th day

Let this one thing not be hidden from you, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day!

This knowledge will go a long way towards understanding the Pyramid and the seventh seal.


Irish

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Then there was morning and evening the first day.

Yes, a day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day., however, Peter didn't say anything about the morning and evening.

Butch5 said:

Then there was morning and evening the first day.

Yes, a day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day., however, Peter didn't say anything about the morning and evening.

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The combination of morning and evening was the first day. Remember for Joshua and Hezekiah the day was lengthened, so there is some interesting side thoughts here. However, in the end days we will be entering something called the Night of the Lord, these were ensamples for us. When we enter the 7th day of the 2nd week of thousand year periods, I will expect to see the night first.


Irish

Irish said:

The combination of morning and evening was the first day. Remember for Joshua and Hezekiah the day was lengthened, so there is some interesting side thoughts here. However, in the end days we will be entering something called the Night of the Lord, these were ensamples for us. When we enter the 7th day of the 2nd week of thousand year periods, I will expect to see the night first.


Irish

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Your pulling stuff together that is unrelated. How do you tie that lengthened day of Joshua to morning and evening the first day?

Where does Scripture teach us of the "Night of the Lord"?

Butch5 said:

Your pulling stuff together that is unrelated. How do you tie that lengthened day of Joshua to morning and evening the first day?

Where does Scripture teach us of the "Night of the Lord"?

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Try Genesis 1

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

A day for the Lord always begings at sundown and goes through sundown the next day.

Butch5 said:

Your pulling stuff together that is unrelated. How do you tie that lengthened day of Joshua to morning and evening the first day?

Where does Scripture teach us of the "Night of the Lord"?

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Exodus 12:42
It [is] a night [sup]3915[/sup] to be much observed [sup]8107[/sup] unto the LORD [sup]3068[/sup] for bringing [sup]3318[/sup] them out from the land [sup]776[/sup] of Egypt [sup]4714[/sup]: this [is] that night [sup]3915[/sup] of the LORD [sup]3068[/sup] to be observed [sup]8107[/sup] of all the children [sup]1121[/sup] of Israel [sup]3478[/sup] in their generations [sup]1755[/sup].

Here is the example Butch.........

Irish

Musicworld
So basically what is the difference between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of GOD ? i understand the three world ages, the 3rd being GODs new kingdom (eternal) so what is the kingdom of heaven, the earth as it is now ?



Kingdom of the heavens is a term used exclusively by Matthew , indicating that the kingom of the heavens differs from the kingdom of God., the latter being mentioned in the other three Gospels. The kingdom of God is God's general reign from eternity past to eternity future. It comprises eternity without beginning before the foundation of the world, the chosen patriarchs (including the paradise of Adam), the nation of Israel in the Old Testament, the church in the New Testament, the coming millennnial kingdom (including its heavenly part, the manifesttion of the kingodom of the heavens, and its earthly part, the Messianic Kingdom.) and the new heaven and the new earth with the New Jerusalem in eternity without end.
The kingdom of the heavens is a specific section within the kingdom of God, a section composed only of the church today and the heavenly part of the coming millennial kingdom. Hence, in the New Testament, especiially in the other three Gospels, the kingdom of the heavens, a section of the kingom of God, is also called the kindom of God." In the Old Testament the kingdom of God, generally, already existed with the nation of Israel (21:43); the kingdom of the heavens, specifically, had still not come, and it only drew near when John the Baprist came (3:1-2; 11:11-12)
According to Matthew there are three aspects concerning the kingdom of the heavens: the reality, the appearance, and the manifestation. The reality of the kingdom of the heavens is the inward content of the kingdom of the heavens in its heavenly and spiritual nature, as revealed by the new King on the mountain in chapters 5--7. The appearance of the kingdom of the heavens is the outward state of the kingdom of the heavens in name, as revealed by the King on the seashore in chapter 13. The manifestation of the kingdom of the heavens is the practical coming of the kingdom of the heavens in power, as unveiled by the KIng on the Mount of Olives in chapters 24--25. Both the reality and the appearance of the kingdom of the heavens are with the church today. The reality of the kingdom of the heavens is the proper church life (Romans 14:17), which exists in the appearance of the kingdom of the heavens known as Christendom. The manifestation of the kingdom of the heavens is the heavenly part of the coming millennial kingdom, which is referred to as the Kingdom of the Father in 13:43; the earthly part of the millennial kingdom is the messianic kingdom, which is referred to as the kingdom of the Son of Man in 13:41, and which is the restored tabernacle of David, the kingdom of David (Acts 15:16). In the heavenly part of the millennial kingdom, which is the kingdom of the heavens manifested in power, the overcoming beleivers will reign with Christ for a thousand years (Rev. 20:4, 6); in the earthly part of the millennial kingdom, which is the Messianic kingdom on earth, the saved remnant of Israel will be the priests and will teach the nations to worship God (Zechariah 8:20-23).
If we are poor in spirit, the kingdom of the heavens is ours: we are in its reality now in the church age, and we will share in its manifesation in the kingdom age.