For The 9999th Time, OSAS (Albeit Testimony Time)

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Truther

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Your response makes not sense to me but I digress.

The point is every Christian should hold the writings of Clement, Ignatius and Polycarp in higher regard than your writings (interpretations of Scripture) 2,000 years later or the writings (interpretations of Scripture) of the Reformers 1,500 years later.

Peace....Mary
I was being silly(smile).

Yes, I am correct in my interpretations.

Also, Christians must reject all commentary(old or new) as hearsay.

The same goes for today, when now more than ever, we should only appeal to scripture.
 

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I was being silly(smile).

Yes, I am correct in my interpretations.

Also, Christians must reject all commentary(old or new) as hearsay.

The same goes for today, when now more than ever, we should only appeal to scripture.
Hi Truther,

Lol....Sorry, I didn’t pick up on that (that you were being silly).

I find it fascinating that you and thousands of other men like you throughout the 2,000 years of Christianity all believe they were ‘correct in their interpretations’. Yet all of you disagree with each other....Weird and silly!!!

But since YOUR interpretations are NOT commentary I will believe everything you write.

Thank you for your time....Mary
 

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It has to be really bad to lose your salvation. It is explained in this way....

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those once having been enlightened, and having tasted of the heavenly gift, and becoming sharers of the Holy Spirit, and tasting the good Word of God, and the works of power of a coming age,
Do you think that...
Enlightment, tasting, having a blessing from the Holy Spirit in this Scripture means has been saved?

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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Hi Truther,

Lol....Sorry, I didn’t pick up on that (that you were being silly).

I find it fascinating that you and thousands of other men like you throughout the 2,000 years of Christianity all believe they were ‘correct in their interpretations’. Yet all of you disagree with each other....Weird and silly!!!

But since YOUR interpretations are NOT commentary I will believe everything you write.

Thank you for your time....Mary
You make an excellent point....which takes us back to Acts.

The only way we can PERSONALLY know we are as individuals are in the true bride of Christ is if we have the identical doctrine and experience as the church of Acts.

The vast majority of Christendom rejects Acts 2:38 and draws swords against the famous question..."what shall we do"?

This causes a splintering off of denominations that seek to satisfy their particular doctrinal tastes.

The weird and silly thought is that a person would skip Acts 2:38 and think they found another way to be saved.
 
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Ezra

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I was raised in the Southern Baptist Convention tradition. OSAS was emphasized greatly. My father recently told me that he likes to listen to feel-good sermons nowadays (à la Joel Osteen) because when he was young he heard so many sermons that seemed calculated to make him doubt his own salvation. I never got that impression when I was a youth, but later on, when I got very serious about consecration to God, the nagging sense I developed was that my salvation depended upon my sincerity at some earlier time and I worried about the spaces of time between my seemingly inevitable rededications. Finally, I got so tired of this that I began to search for a new model of assurance. It took over 20 years for me to find it and it is nothing like what I believed previously. I came to look upon eternal security as grievously hollow and impractical. I could never discern the fine line between mere backsliding and the realization that I had never been "saved" to begin with. And I have come to believe that my salvation is much more for Jesus's sake than my own. I parted ways with SBC orthodoxy in 1990. As hard as it may be for some to believe, this is more of a testimony than a provocation to debate. But friendly discussion about the topic of testimony of assurance is encouraged. And I myself have more to say about this.

What undergirds your assurance of redemption?
the scripture say we can have security of our salvation. regardless what S,B or any other teach . the problem is how it is presented/

backsliding : To revert to bad habits or lapse in religious practice probably at one time or another we have drifted away . the key is returning imo a true blue born again person will return . see many things we simply can not prove. the subject can you or you cant will never be resolved . i thinks its best if we just Live it. peter wrote he has given us ALL things . jude wrote he is able to keep us from falling.. Jesus said no man can pluck us out of his hands. on the other hand apostle paul wrote
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

we do have assurance that we can know.. its not a license to do as we please. saying even though i revert back i still go to heaven. that is not Bible . i have heard it said i couldn't die and go to Hell even if i wanted.. i find that a bit off in left field .
i like what i heard another preacher man say if we can get saved and not know it. we can lose it not know it . my mom side of the family is southern baptist and when i got saved my mom oldest sister gave southern baptist literature on eternal security. i studied it out. me being in a gen baptist church. i see both sides point but i will not say your so saved you can do as you please.
 

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You make an excellent point....which takes us back to Acts.

The only way we can PERSONALLY know we are as individuals are in the true bride of Christ is if we have the identical doctrine and experience as the church of Acts.

The vast majority of Christendom rejects Acts 2:38 and draws swords against the famous question..."what shall we do"?

This causes a splintering off of denominations that seek to satisfy their particular doctrinal tastes.

The weird and silly thought is that a person would skip Acts 2:38 and think they found another way to be saved.
what is the gift of the Holy GHOST i say its salvation .the church grew after ACTS
 

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The evidence of salvation is not that on October 22nd, 19-- you said the Sinners Prayer.

I feel that well-meaning preachers and evangelicals look back on some incantation as the moment we were saved. Because of this, many have doubts, and show little or nothing from their "Christian walk" besides condemnation and struggle. This is not salvation!

A preacher can pronounce you "saved." They can dip you in water and declare you cleansed. They can praise your faith when you tithe, or in your perfect attendance. The preacher can claim that you are Elect and Predestined from all Eternity, yet he really does not know.. that is not salvation. The only One that can confirm and tell you that you are saved is the Holy Spirit.

Salvation is not just the change of state in heavenly places, but change of nature here and now. Conversion- can be a change of heart. Regeneration- implies a change of nature, where you become a new creature in Christ Jesus. Being Born-Again- speaks of the same, and implies that you are no longer the same as your were before. Sanctification- is where if we are in the Vine (Jesus Christ) we will bear much fruit. God makes us holy; we can be the failure of Jesus working in and through us, but He is the One that causes us to be holy. (Jn. 1).

"We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands." 1 John 2:3.

If our Confession and Prayer of Repentance did not bring an immediate and radical change of nature from darkness to light, then we should have doubts. People telling you that failure is normal, and that your doubts are unfounded, are actually the one's that are keeping you from seeking the answer in God. No passage in Scripture gives genuine assurance unless God Himself confirms you are one of His!

"For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Romans 8:14-16.

Let no man claim any assurance of salvation apart from the fruit and testimony of the Spirit that they are a child of God.
i like this..... amen
 

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what is the gift of the Holy GHOST i say its salvation .the church grew after ACTS
The gift of the Holy Ghost is found first given en masse at Acts 2.

That is our plumbline.
 

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You make an excellent point....which takes us back to Acts.

The only way we can PERSONALLY know we are as individuals are in the true bride of Christ is if we have the identical doctrine and experience as the church of Acts.

The vast majority of Christendom rejects Acts 2:38 and draws swords against the famous question..."what shall we do"?

This causes a splintering off of denominations that seek to satisfy their particular doctrinal tastes.

The weird and silly thought is that a person would skip Acts 2:38 and think they found another way to be saved.
The First and Second Century Christian writings are steeped in New Testament quotes. They endured great persecution, even unto death for their faith. Yet, in the first 200 years of Christian writings about God and salvation, many of them taught by a Apostle themselves, yet not one time is Acts 2:38 used. Why? Because they spoke Greek, lived in a Greek influenced culture, they understood what Acts 2:38 says... and not one of that era used this so-called "Gospel" in their preaching and teaching.

2000 years later, not understanding Greek, the culture, the age... some with an errant understanding of Old English have now decided that they are wiser and more enlightened that those that had ample opportunity to ask an Apostle or one that was a disciple of an Apostle why this was not the only thing preached!

Such is not Restorationism... it is arrogant and misguided audacity!
 

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The gift of the Holy Ghost is found first given en masse at Acts 2.

That is our plumbline.
Acts 1:8

“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” acts 2 the church was birthed results of acts 1:8 i was baptized in the name of the father son holy ghost
 

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The First and Second Century Christian writings are steeped in New Testament quotes. They endured great persecution, even unto death for their faith. Yet, in the first 200 years of Christian writings about God and salvation, many of them taught by a Apostle themselves, yet not one time is Acts 2:38 used. Why? Because they spoke Greek, lived in a Greek influenced culture, they understood what Acts 2:38 says... and not one of that era used this so-called "Gospel" in their preaching and teaching.

2000 years later, not understanding Greek, the culture, the age... some with an errant understanding of Old English have now decided that they are wiser and more enlightened that those that had ample opportunity to ask an Apostle or one that was a disciple of an Apostle why this was not the only thing preached!

Such is not Restorationism... it is arrogant and misguided audacity!
Aaah, so you are saying the ancient commentators were Acts(2:38) skippers too?
 

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Acts 1:8

“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” acts 2 the church was birthed results of acts 1:8 i was baptized in the name of the father son holy ghost
No sir...

2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 

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Actually, he came to me(as the Holy Ghost) in 1979. I never sought him, originally.

He never left.

Afraid not. You don't even believe in the Christ of Christianity who is God and Man, Christ is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. You either met yourself or a devil playing you. I feel sorry that you have been deceived so long
 

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Well, you used the words “1st century Christianity”. We have many writings from 1st century Christians so I assumed you meant ALL 1st century Christians. Besides that, are there Apostles from another century?

This chap has a whole reality all his own
 

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Afraid not. You don't even believe in the Christ of Christianity who is God and Man, Christ is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. You either met yourself or a devil playing you. I feel sorry that you have been deceived so long
I met myself?

I was made clean in the presence of a surrounding light and flattened off the couch under it's LOVING power while talking to God as he called me on the spot.

Or, the devil made me feel for hours if I had never sinned in my life, as I physically felt the sanctification of God?

The devil made me become a God seeker from a Godless being?

Are you sure...

And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
 

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Or, the devil made me feel for hours if I had never sinned in my life, as I physically felt the sanctification of God?
If you felt for hours that you had never sinned in your life, that certainly was the devil (see 1 John 1:10).
 

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If you felt for hours that you had never sinned in your life, that certainly was the devil (see 1 John 1:10).
When you received the Holy Ghost for the first time, you still felt sinful?

Hmmm.
 

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When you received the Holy Ghost for the first time, you still felt sinful?

Hmmm.
I did not cease to have the understanding that I had sinned in the past.

For it is a biblical understanding (Romans 3:23, 1 John 1:10, Galatians 3:22).

As a matter of fact, it has been said by many excellent teachers of God's word, that we often go from feeling sinless to feeling that we are more sinful, to feeling that we are utterly sinful, as we mature in our Christian life.

As was the case with Paul. For he progressed from 1 Corinthians 4:4, to 1 Corinthians 15:9, to Ephesians 3:8, to 1 Timothy 1:15.
 
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