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I did not cease to have the understanding that I had sinned in the past.

For it is a biblical understanding (Romans 3:23, 1 John 1:10, Galatians 3:22).

As a matter of fact, it has been said by many excellent teachers of God's word, that we often go from feeling sinless to feeling that we are more sinful, to feeling that we are utterly sinful, as we mature in our Christian life.

As was the case with Paul. For he progressed from 1 Corinthians 4:4, to 1 Corinthians 15:9, to Ephesians 3:8, to 1 Timothy 1:15.
The 2nd time I was infilled by the Holy Ghost I had to be helped out of the service(this time at a church), as I was under the same power after convulsively crying, saying "Jesus I love you", then getting my long hair cut off after service and being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ that evening of Oct 7, 1979...after I came up out of the water I felt my sins depart from my body.

I immediately was permanently delivered from smoking and drinking etc.

That was satan?
 
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The 2nd time I was infilled by the Holy Ghost I had to be helped out of the service(this time at a church), as I was under the same power after convulsively crying, saying "Jesus I love you", then getting my long hair cut off after service and being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ that evening of Oct 7, 1979...after I came up out of the water I felt my sins depart from my body.

I immediately was permanently delivered from smoking and drinking etc.

That was satan?
No; but if the spirit that came over you convinced you that you had never sinned before...then that would be a lying spirit.
 

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No; but if the spirit that came over you convinced you that you had never sinned before...then that would be a lying spirit.
Wait, it made me feel that I was pure and free, AS IF I had never sinned before. Like a newborn child that knows no sin. I knew my past clearly, which is what made it so awesome.(My first experience I mentioned was at my girlfriend's house).

I think we got our wires crossed here. I apologize my friend.
 

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WHICH IS WHAT?
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth....

2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
 

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I met myself?

I was made clean in the presence of a surrounding light and flattened off the couch under it's LOVING power while talking to God as he called me on the spot.

Or, the devil made me feel for hours if I had never sinned in my life, as I physically felt the sanctification of God?

The devil made me become a God seeker from a Godless being?

Are you sure...

And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Yet you believe in non Christianity. Sure you had something but you went the way of Satan since then. Christ is 100 percent God and 100 percent Man.
 

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Yet you believe in non Christianity. Sure you had something but you went the way of Satan since then. Christ is 100 percent God and 100 percent Man.
How did I end up in satan's hands?

Please elaborate.
 
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How did I end up in satan's hands?

Please elaborate.

By denying an absolute essential of Christianity that Christ is fully God and fully Man. Christ is 100 percent God and 1000 percent man, if you do not believe this orthodox Christian position believed by all Christians than your are not of God but of Satan and an absolute enemy of God
 

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By denying an absolute essential of Christianity that Christ is fully God and fully Man. Christ is 100 percent God and 1000 percent man, if you do not believe this orthodox Christian position believed by all Christians than your are not of God but of Satan and an absolute enemy of God
I think you mean 100% Man.
 

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By denying an absolute essential of Christianity that Christ is fully God and fully Man. Christ is 100 percent God and 1000 percent man, if you do not believe this orthodox Christian position believed by all Christians than your are not of God but of Satan and an absolute enemy of God
Actually, the Bible teach Christ is FULL OF God.

It says nothing about a man being fully God.

Jesus probably spoke about his God 50 times, but nobody believes him.

Someone got their wires crossed centuries ago.
 
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Someone got their wires crossed centuries ago.

You did once you decided to embrace paganism and Satan. No one is a Christian who denies Christ is fully God and Fully Man, if you deny that you are not a Christian at all.
 

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You did once you decided to embrace paganism and Satan. No one is a Christian who denies Christ is fully God and Fully Man, if you deny that you are not a Christian at all.
Actually, those that say Jesus is fully man and fully God are antichrist, per John.

John said he that denies Jesus is come in the flesh, not Spirit is come in the flesh.
 
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Actually, those that say Jesus is fully man and fully God are antichrist, per John.

John said he that denies Jesus is come in the flesh, not Spirit is come in the flesh.


Keep lying to yourself and someday I hope you become a believer instead of the pagan you are now.
 

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Actually, those that say Jesus is fully man and fully God are antichrist, per John.

John said he that denies Jesus is come in the flesh, not Spirit is come in the flesh.
You have actually just confessed the very spirit of antichrist by denying Jesus is God in the flesh !

The number one test to distinguish truth for error and the Spirit of God from that of the spirit of antichrist is the confession of our divine Lord Jesus Christ. Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. There is one thing the spirit of antichrist will deny and that is they will deny the deity of Jesus Christ. They will deny God in human flesh. They will always deny the Incarnation which was permanent. When a person affirms that Jesus Christ is God in flesh that equates to divine truth. Every spirit that confesses meaning to continually confess or agrees with saying the same thing as John declares in his writings is from God. This is the person who is taught by the Spirit of God according to John. The first test that you want to have for any teacher is their Christology, check out what they say about Christ. This becomes a litmus test that is very easy to spot among the false teachers. If you have somebody who denies the deity of Christ you have a clear indication they are of the spirit of antichrist.

If we go back to the beginning of 1 John, we read that which we he beheld, and actually touched concerning the Word of life. That is a term expressing the very deity of Christ. Christ emanates from God as His living Word. He was with the Father in the beginning in 1:2. Jesus was One with the Father sharing the same glory/essence with the Father in heaven with Him before the foundation of the world.( John 17:5).John says He was manifested to us. John's language then starts out with the fact that Jesus Christ emanates from God as the very living Word of God. Jesus is the living Word of God,the One John says that was from the beginning that we heard, we saw and we touched. Jesus the Word of life was the eternal One who was with the Father prior to His Incarnation and was then manifested to us in the flesh that we could see and hear and touch according to John. Therefore, we can clearly see Jesus is the very Word of God Incarnate. He is the eternal life who became flesh. The Word who was with God, the Word who was God, was the One who John says was manifested to us. This is how we can tell the spirit of truth from the spirit of antichrist. Can you confess Jesus is God Incarnate?


1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Below I have provided all these Greek Scholars/Theologians who agree with the above !

Erchomenon the present participle in 2 John 7

Alford- the present tense is timeless(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Brooke- the Incarnation is not only an event in history, it is an abiding truth(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Stott- the two natures manhood and Godhood were united already at His birth, never to be divided. In 1 John 4:2 and here in 2 John 7 emphasizes this permanent union of the natures in the One Person ( TNTC pages 209-210) He who denies the Incarnation is not just a deceiver and an antichrist but “the deceiver and the antichrist”. There is in this heresy a double affront: it opposes Christ and deceives men.(stott TNCT page 210)

Marshall- the use of the present and perfect tenses becomes significant if the point is that Jesus Christ had come and still existed “in flesh”. For him(John) it was axiomatic that there had been a true Incarnation, that the word became flesh and remained flesh. It is a point that receives much stress in 1 John 2:18-28;4:1-6;5:5-8. (NICNT pages 70-71)

Smalley- the present tense emphasizes the permanent union of the human and Divine natures in Jesus. Gods self disclosure in Jesus took place at a particular moment in history , but it has continuing effects in the present and into the future(Word Biblical Commentary page 317)

Nicoll- the continuous manifestation of the Incarnate Christ(Expositors Greek Testament Volume 5 page 202)

Akin- Much has been made of the fact that John uses the present tense in this Christological confession. Literally the verse reads, “Jesus Christ coming in flesh.” “Coming” is a present active participle. This stands out in remarkable contrast to the affirmation of 1 John 4:2, where the text states that “Jesus Christ has [emphasis mine] come in the flesh.” There the perfect active participle is used. The key, it seems, is to discover what John is affirming. Here in 2 John the emphasis falls on the abiding reality of the incarnation. First John 4:2 teaches that the Christ, the Father’s Son (v. 3), has come in the flesh. Second John affirms that the wedding of deity and humanity has an abiding reality (cf. 1 Tim 2:5). The ontological and essential nature of the incarnation that would receive eloquent expression one thousand years later in the writing of St. Anselm (1033–1109) in his classic Cur Deus Homo is already present in seed form in the tiny and neglected letter of 2 John.

Lenski- In 1 John 4:2 we have ἐν σαρκὶ ἐληλυθότα, the perfect participle, “as having come in flesh” (incarnate, John 1:14); here we have ἐρχόμενον ἐν σαρκί, “as coming in flesh,” although the participle is present in form it is really timeless.
of Christ as "still being manifested." See the note at 1 John 3:5. In 1 John 4:2 we have the manifestation treated as a past fact by the perfect tense, ‎eleeluthota ‎"has come

Robertson- That Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh Ieesoun ‎‎Christon ‎‎erchomenon ‎‎en ‎‎sarki‎. "Jesus Christ coming in the flesh." Present middle participle of ‎erchomai treating the Incarnation as a continuing fact which the Docetic Gnostics flatly denied. In 1 John 4:2 we have ‎eleeluthota ‎(perfect active participle) in this same construction with ‎homologeoo‎, because there the reference is to the definite historical fact of the Incarnation.

hope this helps !!!
 
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Keep lying to yourself and someday I hope you become a believer instead of the pagan you are now.

Be nice! He may by definition be a heretic; but this kind of response makes Christians (who are standing for the truth) on message boards appear to be the worst kinds of people...it is a very bad witness. It makes us look like we care more about conforming people to our beliefs than we actually care about people. So don't do that.

He was with the Father in the beginning in 1:2.

And by the same reasoning, He was the Father in the beginning in John 1:1.
 

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Keep lying to yourself and someday I hope you become a believer instead of the pagan you are now.
I am just reading your Bible to you through your bias.

Your reaction is typical.
 

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Be nice! He may by definition be a heretic; but this kind of response makes Christians (who are standing for the truth) on message boards appear to be the worst kinds of people...it is a very bad witness. It makes us look like we care more about conforming people to our beliefs than we actually care about people. So don't do that.



And by the same reasoning, He was the Father in the beginning in John 1:1.
no see John 17:5
 

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You have actually just confessed the very spirit of antichrist by denying Jesus is God in the flesh !

The number one test to distinguish truth for error and the Spirit of God from that of the spirit of antichrist is the confession of our divine Lord Jesus Christ. Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. There is one thing the spirit of antichrist will deny and that is they will deny the deity of Jesus Christ. They will deny God in human flesh. They will always deny the Incarnation which was permanent. When a person affirms that Jesus Christ is God in flesh that equates to divine truth. Every spirit that confesses meaning to continually confess or agrees with saying the same thing as John declares in his writings is from God. This is the person who is taught by the Spirit of God according to John. The first test that you want to have for any teacher is their Christology, check out what they say about Christ. This becomes a litmus test that is very easy to spot among the false teachers. If you have somebody who denies the deity of Christ you have a clear indication they are of the spirit of antichrist.

If we go back to the beginning of 1 John, we read that which we he beheld, and actually touched concerning the Word of life. That is a term expressing the very deity of Christ. Christ emanates from God as His living Word. He was with the Father in the beginning in 1:2. Jesus was One with the Father sharing the same glory/essence with the Father in heaven with Him before the foundation of the world.( John 17:5).John says He was manifested to us. John's language then starts out with the fact that Jesus Christ emanates from God as the very living Word of God. Jesus is the living Word of God,the One John says that was from the beginning that we heard, we saw and we touched. Jesus the Word of life was the eternal One who was with the Father prior to His Incarnation and was then manifested to us in the flesh that we could see and hear and touch according to John. Therefore, we can clearly see Jesus is the very Word of God Incarnate. He is the eternal life who became flesh. The Word who was with God, the Word who was God, was the One who John says was manifested to us. This is how we can tell the spirit of truth from the spirit of antichrist. Can you confess Jesus is God Incarnate?


1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Below I have provided all these Greek Scholars/Theologians who agree with the above !

Erchomenon the present participle in 2 John 7

Alford- the present tense is timeless(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Brooke- the Incarnation is not only an event in history, it is an abiding truth(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Stott- the two natures manhood and Godhood were united already at His birth, never to be divided. In 1 John 4:2 and here in 2 John 7 emphasizes this permanent union of the natures in the One Person ( TNTC pages 209-210) He who denies the Incarnation is not just a deceiver and an antichrist but “the deceiver and the antichrist”. There is in this heresy a double affront: it opposes Christ and deceives men.(stott TNCT page 210)

Marshall- the use of the present and perfect tenses becomes significant if the point is that Jesus Christ had come and still existed “in flesh”. For him(John) it was axiomatic that there had been a true Incarnation, that the word became flesh and remained flesh. It is a point that receives much stress in 1 John 2:18-28;4:1-6;5:5-8. (NICNT pages 70-71)

Smalley- the present tense emphasizes the permanent union of the human and Divine natures in Jesus. Gods self disclosure in Jesus took place at a particular moment in history , but it has continuing effects in the present and into the future(Word Biblical Commentary page 317)

Nicoll- the continuous manifestation of the Incarnate Christ(Expositors Greek Testament Volume 5 page 202)

Akin- Much has been made of the fact that John uses the present tense in this Christological confession. Literally the verse reads, “Jesus Christ coming in flesh.” “Coming” is a present active participle. This stands out in remarkable contrast to the affirmation of 1 John 4:2, where the text states that “Jesus Christ has [emphasis mine] come in the flesh.” There the perfect active participle is used. The key, it seems, is to discover what John is affirming. Here in 2 John the emphasis falls on the abiding reality of the incarnation. First John 4:2 teaches that the Christ, the Father’s Son (v. 3), has come in the flesh. Second John affirms that the wedding of deity and humanity has an abiding reality (cf. 1 Tim 2:5). The ontological and essential nature of the incarnation that would receive eloquent expression one thousand years later in the writing of St. Anselm (1033–1109) in his classic Cur Deus Homo is already present in seed form in the tiny and neglected letter of 2 John.

Lenski- In 1 John 4:2 we have ἐν σαρκὶ ἐληλυθότα, the perfect participle, “as having come in flesh” (incarnate, John 1:14); here we have ἐρχόμενον ἐν σαρκί, “as coming in flesh,” although the participle is present in form it is really timeless.
of Christ as "still being manifested." See the note at 1 John 3:5. In 1 John 4:2 we have the manifestation treated as a past fact by the perfect tense, ‎eleeluthota ‎"has come

Robertson- That Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh Ieesoun ‎‎Christon ‎‎erchomenon ‎‎en ‎‎sarki‎. "Jesus Christ coming in the flesh." Present middle participle of ‎erchomai treating the Incarnation as a continuing fact which the Docetic Gnostics flatly denied. In 1 John 4:2 we have ‎eleeluthota ‎(perfect active participle) in this same construction with ‎homologeoo‎, because there the reference is to the definite historical fact of the Incarnation.

hope this helps !!!
No, you are defending the ancient gnostics now.

It does not say GOD came in the flesh, it speaks of the man Christ Jesus, you know the man that defecated like men do, etc....


By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.


You THINK it says the Spirit of God came in the flesh, which is impossible according to Jesus Christ himself....


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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No, you are defending the ancient gnostics now.

It does not say GOD came in the flesh, it speaks of the man Christ Jesus, you know the man that defecated like men do, etc....


By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.


You THINK it says the Spirit of God came in the flesh, which is impossible according to Jesus Christ himself....


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
No, you are defending the ancient gnostics now.

It does not say GOD came in the flesh, it speaks of the man Christ Jesus, you know the man that defecated like men do, etc....


By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.


You THINK it says the Spirit of God came in the flesh, which is impossible according to Jesus Christ himself....


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
actually its the opposite as you are defending the gnostics