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CharismaticLady

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Btw, do you disagree with the word "when" in KJV- 2 Thes. 1:7-10, as I did reveal, that it shows the two issues of the Redemption of the Saints and the destruction of the unsaved, as being a simultaneous event?

No, but because you do not believe in the Millennium, you don't see a thousand year gap.
 

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Most importantly, the audience Jesus was speaking to at the time were certainly aware of who the rich man was, who Eliezer was and who the dogs that licked his sores were. I’m certain they got the point, though they didn’t necessarily receive it.

even if one returned from the dead.
Correct! And even today most Christians don't "get it".
They continue to use that same parable, word for word, to explain their foul belief of an eternally burning Hell, burning and tormenting *eternally living, unsaved people.

*Note: an oxymoron
 
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Psalm 56:8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?

Compare that to the prayers offered up in Revelation.

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Never noticed Psalm 56:8 until you posted it. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on prayer. Love ‘Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book? [9] When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know; for God is for me. [10] In God will I praise his word: in the Lord will I praise his word. [11] In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me.’
 

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There are more than one name, so which do you prefer?

little horn
Antichrist
lawless one
son of perdition
Beast
You may think so, but I think making those assumptions leads to arguments and confusion. I see no reason to use the word "antichrist" in a way other than the way it's used in the Bible. I'll stick to using that word to mean what John meant when he used it.
 

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No, but because you do not believe in the Millennium, you don't see a thousand year gap.
Wrong! I do believe in "a millennium" .
Its just not what you expect or want to hear. Your mind is swamped with the regurgitations of Bible College understanding, being spewed out by their many religious graduates.
So, the word "when" doesn't describe the events taking place, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall return in flaming fire?
What fabrication do you want to insert in the midst of 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, to make it work for the way you want to hear it?
 

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You may think so, but I think making those assumptions leads to arguments and confusion. I see no reason to use the word "antichrist" in a way other than the way it's used in the Bible. I'll stick to using that word to mean what John meant when he used it.

I believe I am. They are all talking about the same person. There have also been paradigms in history, where there is one main person, not just a spirit of evil.
 

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Wrong! I do believe in "a millennium" .
Its just not what you expect or want to hear. Your mind is swamped with the regurgitations of Bible College understanding, being spewed out by their many religious graduates.
So, the word "when" doesn't describe the events taking place, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall return in flaming fire?
What fabrication do you want to insert in the midst of 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, to make it work for the way you want to hear it?

I believe the Millennium is just how John described it in Revelation.
 

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Never noticed Psalm 56:8 until you posted it. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on prayer. Love ‘Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book? [9] When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know; for God is for me. [10] In God will I praise his word: in the Lord will I praise his word. [11] In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me.’
It is a precious passage once it hits. Our tears are not wasted. Is not God wonderful?

I think it also shows how so many authors in the Bible used words to mean the same thing. They have their own styles, but there's a consistency in them too.
 
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^What i am saying is, "WHEN" the Lord Jesus returns in flaming fire, there will be no one left alive on the earth, and all that are in the graves will be burned up. There will be no reason for a millenium on earth.
No one alive of flesh and blood, means there will be no repopulation of the earth either.
 

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I believe I am. They are all talking about the same person. There have also been paradigms in history, where there is one main person, not just a spirit of evil.
Huh?

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

And you say it is one person? Sorry, I can't see it.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

How can that be someone who you think hasn't appeared yet?

Are there many little horns in your system? Many sons of perdition? Many beasts that come up out of the sea?
 

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^What i am saying is, "WHEN" the Lord Jesus returns in flaming fire, there will be no one left alive on the earth, and all that are in the graves will be burned up. There will be no reason for a millenium on earth.
No one alive of flesh and blood, means there will be no repopulation of the earth either.

So are you a Sadducee? They don't believe in a resurrection of the dead either.
 

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Huh?

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

And you say it is one person? Sorry, I can't see it.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

How can that be someone who you think hasn't appeared yet?

Are there many little horns in your system? Many sons of perdition? Many beasts that come up out of the sea?

Do you know the prophecies of Daniel very well?
 

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I believe the Millennium is just how John described it in Revelation.
If that is so, then I don't think you know how to understand what the "promise" was/is in verse 9, in conjunction with verse 8, in 2 Peter 3[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 

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It is a precious passage once it hits. Our tears are not wasted. Is not God wonderful?

Yes He is!

I think it also shows how so many authors in the Bible used words to mean the same thing. They have their own styles, but there's a consistency in them too.

agree. Also with Psalm 56:8-11 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book? [9] When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know; for God is for me. [10] In God will I praise his word: in the Lord will I praise his word. [11] In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me.

Romans 8:31-32 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? [32] He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

 
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If that is so, then I don't think you know how to understand what the "promise" was/is in verse 9, in conjunction with verse 8, in 2 Peter 3[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The Day of the Lord
14 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.

5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.

6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.

8 And in that day it shall be
That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
Half of them toward the eastern sea
And half of them toward the western sea;
In both summer and winter it shall occur.
9 And the Lord shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be—
“The Lord is one,”
And His name one.
 

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So are you a Sadducee? They don't believe in a resurrection of the dead either.
What? Of course I believe in our bodily resurrection, being changed into the likeness of Christ's immortality!
At the moment, while in our flesh and blood bodies, because of faith in Christ, we are now NEW creatures, a new creation (in process), but as of yet, we do not know what we shall be, except to be like Him, upon his return in Glory.
So in every way now, though in part, we do and are having part in the first resurrection, who is Christ. We who are born again, are now partakers of the divine nature.
 

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Believe it to be a parable if you wish. .
Belief and know are two differing things:

"Rich Man and Lazarus" of Luke 16, comes in a series of Parables after a small discourse to great multitudes really beginning in Luke 14:25

And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, Luke 14:25​

...and also in Luke 15:1-2, to tax collectors, sinners who surrounded Him and to Pharisees and Scribes who were complaining...

Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. Luke 15:1​

And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them. Luke 15:2

...and as Jesus heard the Pharisees and Scribes complaining and so HE speaks unto them in parables beginning in Luke 15:3

And he spake this parable unto them, saying, Luke 15:3​

...and continues with the Parable of the "man with the 100 Sheep who had one lost" from Luke 15:4-7, and then begins another Parable in Luke 15:8-10 about the "Woman who Lost a Coin" Luke 15:11

[though Jesus is still speaking in Parables, in both instances in the scriptures it does not specifically say that the words to come after verses 8 or 11 were Parable, but yet that is because the scripture had already made clear that this was what Jesus was doing from verse 3]

And he said, A certain man had two sons: Luke 15:11​

...which then begins the Parable from Luke 15:11-32 about the "Man who had Two Sons" [Prodigal Sons Parable].

Jesus then turns to His disciples and continues in Luke 16:1, with yet another parable, the parable of the "God and Mammon"

And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. Luke 16:1​

...and the word "also" joins the previous parables with this parable along with what further continues ["they heard all these things"]...now after that Mammon Parable, the Pharisees, being lovers of Money, broke into the series of Parables and derided Jesus in Luke 16:14

And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. Luke 16:14​

...but Jesus immediately counters their derision with what the Law says on the matter about Money and Divorce in Luke 16:15-18 and then drives home the point of their hypocrisy and double standard as well as their neglect of duty to being the Light to the Gentiles with the Parable of Luke 16:19-31 in the Parable of the "Rich Man And Lazarus"...

And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Luke 16:15​

Now that it is established that the "Rich Man and Lazarus" is indeed a Parable, let us look a little further at some scriptures to be even more and absolutely sure:

When Jesus spoke of these things to the Pharisees He said that He would speak to them in parable:


I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Psalm 78:2

And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables: Mark 4:11

And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Luke 8:10

And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. Luke 16:14

And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Luke 16:15​

...This Parable does not start with the words “the Kingdom of Heaven is like...” as it is about the failure of the Nation of Israel to be the Light of the world.

The parable is not giving us a specific picture of an etheral place a person goes immediately after death [for first of all the Judgment must come first, God said that the Wheat and Tares grow together unto the end, then is the Harvest, and then are the Wheat gathered into the Barn and then only are the Tares thrown into the fire, which consumes them into smoke and ashes to be no more, which fire burns upon the whole surface of the earth, their body [made of dust] and whole being [breath plus dust] being cast into the fire all together, at the same time, to be destroyed, perished, not be any more].

In fact, in Luke 14:14, we see the 'when' the "recompense" is given.
 

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What? Of course I believe in our bodily resurrection, being changed into the likeness of Christ's immortality!
At the moment, while in our flesh and blood bodies, because of faith in Christ, we are now NEW creatures, a new creation (in process), but as of yet, we do not know what we shall be, except to be like Him, upon his return in Glory.
So in every way now, though in part, we do and are having part in the first resurrection, who is Christ. We who are born again, are now partakers of the divine nature.

Read your post I responded to; it doesn't give room for a resurrection of our bodies. Do you know the unsaved will also be resurrected?
 
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