The Ten Commandments—What happened?
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This is a good opportunity to revisit this. Because as you've posted above, there are parts of the New Covenant that I don't think apply to gentiles,
I think what I mean is this. That Israel was promised a new covenant which includes being reborn. And gentiles likewise can be reborn, and share in that.
But there is a lot that talks about us sharing together with them.
Something to think about! Having said this, what are your thoughts?
Much love!
Hello @marks
Thank you for your response. I believe that the New Covenant is in abeyance at present, for as the Old Covenant was made with Israel, so will the New Covenant be. Israel is in a Lo-ammi condition at the moment, having failed to repent and acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and King, and so it's national and religious (or covenant) privileges are no longer in evidence. This awaits a day yet to come, when Israel will once more be, 'my People' (Jeremiah 31:31-37 & Hosea 1:10 and Hosea 1:23).
Believing Gentiles were grafted into the Olive Tree of Israel (symbolic of Israel's religious or covenant privileges) during the Acts period, in the attempt to cause Israel to emulate them; and they partook of it's root and fatness, as a foretaste of Messianic blessings, designed to cause Israel to acknowledge their Messiah, and repent. When Israel failed to do so, the New Covenant and it's blessings went into abeyance, until Israel once more become the People of God.
We now, both Jew and Gentile believers, are brought nigh unto God, and are part of His household in Christ Jesus our risen Saviour, Lord and Head: For salvation has been sent to the Gentiles (Acts 28:28). We have been brought nigh unto God, and form a joint body, equal and united in Christ Jesus our Lord and Head. Our blessings are 'all spiritual blessings', and our sphere of blessing is in Heavenly Places, in Christ Jesus.
The members of the church which is the Body of Christ in not in covenant relation with God: For God hath chosen them in Christ before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4); before ever a covenant was made with Israel.
Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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These are some very good points.
What are your thoughts, here, what are the two covenants,
Galatians 4
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Another question . . . if Israel are natural branches, and gentiles wild branches, but either may be broken away from the tree, isn't the tree into which these are grafted Abraham?
Much love!
Can you show me this in the New Testament? And what do you mean specifically that they partook of it's root and fatness?
Much love!
The law applies to Gentiles as well as Jews.
In Romans 3:19-20, by the law is the knowledge of sin; and all the world will become guilty before God because they will be judged by the law: Jew and Gentile alike.
In Galatians 3:23, know that the book of Galatians is written to Gentiles in order to warn them against "Judaizers". And Paul says that "we" indicating himself and the Gentile believers to whom he was referring, were "kept under the law".
Galatians 3:23 is about those who are saved; and it ought to be clear that it is not only Jews who have been saved in church history through faith in Jesus Christ.
What happened is that BIZARRE DOCTRINES replaced Bible truth. Just check out some of the threads.
Getting back to your point, it was the list of charges against each and every sinner based upon the Ten Commandments which was nailed to the cross. Christ paid the full penalty for those charges therefore they were dismissed.
101G
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Two scriptures, First the NT, then the OT.
#1. 1 Timothy 1:9 ...... that's if one is in Christ Jesus, the Law is fulfilled and no more. for it have been fulfilled..
#2. Micah 6:8 .... this is God requirement, the Law was added, until he came, 1 Timothy 1:9.
this is the righteousness of God that is apart from the law, read Micah 6:8 very carefully.
PICJAG.
PS all the verses are (kjv).
#1. 1 Timothy 1:9 ...... that's if one is in Christ Jesus, the Law is fulfilled and no more. for it have been fulfilled..
#2. Micah 6:8 .... this is God requirement, the Law was added, until he came, 1 Timothy 1:9.
this is the righteousness of God that is apart from the law, read Micah 6:8 very carefully.
PICJAG.
PS all the verses are (kjv).
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ChristisGod
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I never claimed perfection with them. Jesus said the ENTIRE LAW rests on these 2 commands.
next...................
I see your point, for I must admit that I did often find it strange that it was a capital crime to violate it. Maybe there's a profundity or sanctity that I am missing about it, but from my perspective, i see it more as a symbolic formality as any festival observance (Galatians 4:9-10), not as an act that edifies or imparts wisdom. But again, to violate it warranted the death penalty...?
I understand that if, those under the Old Covenant, failed to follow all the demands of the Law, they could find restitution in the prescribed sin offerings, especially Yom-Kippur (Day of Atonement). There was also forgiveness in the Old Law, not just precepts that incriminate, I believe. Not perpetual forgiveness as in Christ, which allowed the abrogation of the law, but temporary enough that one could find approbation with God, while remaining under an austere Law.
The love of the Lord is shed abroad in the heart through the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5); and we receive the Holy Ghost through faith (Galatians 3:14).
If it is His love that is in operation...if He is living His life in me and through me (Galatians 2:20)...then I can live a life that is sanctified wholly (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14, 1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10).
Of course, living a wholly sanctified life is not what justifies me.
I cannot live a wholly sanctified life without first being justified through Christ's shed blood, in the way of imputed righteousness.
If it is His love that is in operation...if He is living His life in me and through me (Galatians 2:20)...then I can live a life that is sanctified wholly (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14, 1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10).
Of course, living a wholly sanctified life is not what justifies me.
I cannot live a wholly sanctified life without first being justified through Christ's shed blood, in the way of imputed righteousness.
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Part of which is keeping the 10 commandments.
Like loving another person involves being truthful with them.
ChristisGod
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I'll go with Jesus on this one.
Matt 22:36-40
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
hope this helps !!!
Stan B
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The invocation New Covenant is obviously not yet transpired. It is a future event.
Hello @marks,
Thank you for your response. In Answer to your question:-
'And if some of the branches be broken off,
and thou, being a wild olive tree,
wert graffed in among them,
and with them partakest of
the root and fatness of the olive tree;'
(Romans 11:17)
* Gentiles believer, who were grafted into the Olive Tree of Israel (representative of Israel's religious or covenant privileges) partook of the root and fatness of the Olive Tree, along with believing Israelites. This was done with the object of bringing new life to an ailing tree, and for no other reason. For the goal was to bring Israel to repentance, and the acknowledgment of the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah. That they may take up their Divinely appointed role as Priests unto God, among the nations.
The root and fatness are the Abrahamic blessings, millennial in nature, of which they partook as part of the New Covenant.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Hello @Stan B,
Thank you, I agree that it is a yet future event.
Would you please explain what you mean by the words, 'the invocation New Covenant' please?
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Hello @marks,
The story bears out in picture form the condition of one under the dominion of the law and in contrast one who has been freed from it by redemption. The two Jerusalems, earthly and heavenly bear this out too. The earthly one was still in slavery and subject to a Gentile power (Rome). The heavenly one was in a different sphere from earth and was in no sense in bondage. This is described by the Apostle John in the Revelation (chapter 21). But we must remember that this revelation is not confined to John and his writings. Hebrews 11 and 12 make quite clear that Abraham saw it in a vision, although the Old Testament does not reveal this, and I believe that all the faithful who followed by overcoming faith, treading the same path as Abraham embraced, saw its wonders too. For them it was the 'better country'. Better than anything on this earth and worth going without a lasting home here and now, where they were only strangers and pilgrims.
The teaching that is implicit in this story is the contrast between freedom and bondage, between the law of Moses with its slavery and the glorious freedom resulting from saving grace. The Galatians had to decide which they wanted: they could not have both. So the Apostle uses every legitimate means to bring home to these Christians the intense seriousness of their choice and the results that would surely follow. Concluding with, 'So then brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.'
Praise God!
In answer to your question, 'if Israel are natural branches, and gentiles wild branches, but either may be broken away from the tree, isn't the tree into which these are grafted Abraham?'
* The Olive Tree is representative of Israel's religious or covenant privileges: and in Jeremiah 11:16, speaking concerning Judah and Jerusalem God says, 'The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.'
In Judges 9:7-15, is an allegory in which the trees, Olive, Fig, Vine and Bramble are used to combine the whole of Israel's history. The notes in the margin of my Bible tell me that :-
- the Fig tree represented Israel's national privileges (Matthew 21:19-20; Mark 11:13,20-21; Luke 13:6-9) which withered away and has been cut down:
- the Olive tree represented Israel's religious or covenant privileges (Romans 11) which are now in abeyance:
- the Vine tree represented Israel's spiritual privileges (Isaiah 5, John 15), which are henceforth only to be found in Christ, the True Vine.
- the Bramble, which is not a tree at all, is prophetic of the false nation under the rule of Antichrist, which will devour the nation as fore-shown in Judges 9:20, during the day of 'Jacob's Trouble'.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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