So Jesus gave to Kingdom Hell doctrines that He didn't give to anyone else?
Shall we discuss this?
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Actually, to be specific. He was the first born of all humans, first to die, and the first to resurrect from the dead.
Try to be a little more specific when speaking of Jesus' beginnings.
They say Michael the Archangel incarnated into a human.
You teach the 2nd person incarnated into a human.
I say there is no such thing as God incarnating into something.
You and the JW's are cousins.
Let me ask you plainly...are you taught by the elders to wait until prospects become JW's before certain teachings can be mentioned?
Be honest. Thanks.
Stan B
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BARNEY BRIGHT
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The developed doctrine of the Trinity is not explicit in the books that constitute the Old or New Testament, Which is Scripture, in other words what God's Holy Spirit inspired men to write down. We must also understand that the scriptures tell us not to go beyond what is written. So since the old nor new testatment has any explicit doctrine of the Trinity written down anywhere in the scriptures I don't believe in such a doctrine.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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All JW literature does is simply speak out against the false doctrines that most people believe in who say they're Christians such as The Trinity, immortality of the Soul and hellfire to name a few. I don't think speaking out against false doctrines is claiming to have or even implying that JW have secret doctrines. I simply believe that because JW believe that what most people, who say they're Christians, who are teaching what they believe to be the truth isn't the truth, most people are against them.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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No it's called adding to the scriptures or more accurately going beyond the scriptures. Which is something people suppose not to do.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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I'm always honest you just don't believe that I am being honest. To answer your question, no elder has ever told me a certain thing like that. Also when I was studying with the JW before I got baptized, any question I asked them they answered it honestly. They kept nothing from me.
You don't even believe the NWT.
John 29 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".
BARNEY BRIGHT
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Even those theologians who believe in the Trinity will admit that there isn't any explicit Trinity doctrine in the old or new testaments. So since that is true where do they get their information.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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I believe the NWT, I just don't ignore what the NWT says at John 20:17 where Jesus told Mary after he had been resurrected to tell his Apostles and disciples which included Thomas that he, meaning Jesus, has a Father and God which was the Apostles Father and God. So when Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and My God" Thomas didn't forget that Jesus said he has a Father and God which was also Thomas Father and God. This means Thomas didn't believe Jesus to be the creator because Almighty God has no Father or God.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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No actually I'm not. You see there are other books called Bible encyclopedias that you can check out. These people talked with many theologians to get the accurate information in their books. These people are not JW and these people believe in the Trinity yet these theologians they spoke to admitted that the explicit doctrine of the Trinity isn't in the old or new testament.
Ok, you've never read the NWT since you don't know what Thomas said to Jesus, and Jesus didn't REBUKE Thomas for calling Him "my God". Come back when you've read John 20.
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