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Are New Testament Believers Required To Tithe?
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Jiggyfly:
Jiggyfly, Your right!!! After you start paying God what belongs to him, that Bondage of Guilt will go away from you. You will know the Truth Jesus said, and the Truth will make you free.
Being a thief and trying to server God, could condemn our heart, and we would have no confidence toward God. Be free Jiggyfly!!!! Be free!!!! and Pay that TITHE!!!!
all the guilt will go away
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You know that................. Jesus Is Lord.
I am free Mike and very blessed from Father and I haven't tithed in over 8 years. My cup runs over. I haven't been to a religious liturgical service or gathering in over 6 years. I give as I purpose in my own heart cheerfully and Father is very happy. Hallelujah!!
Glory to God!!! You are the Blessed Jiggfly !!!!!!!!!!
(Are you sure you don't feel a little guilty? Just checking)
Jesus Is Lord!!!!!
(Are you sure you don't feel a little guilty? Just checking)
Jesus Is Lord!!!!!
Galatians 5:1-6
Christian Liberty 5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
NKJV
The same is true of any law of Moses.
If you are giving a tithe becasue you feel it is necessary then you are going back under the Law.
Religious people have used Mal 3:8 to rob the children of God. Mal 3:8 was written to the Jews who were under the Law of Moses. We are not. We are under grace.
If these people love the requirements of the Law of Moses so much then perhapes they should become orthodox Jews.
RichardBurger
I understand your position. We do not want to start the practices of coming under the Law. I see a difference in ordinances and commandments. I have a big issue that God told us that he changes not, and that he considered not bring the tithe in stealing. I can't with a good conscience just decide God no longer knows what stealing is.
I also do not have a scripture that tells me that he does not consider not paying tithe stealing. To me stealing is a little different than keeping feast or other ritual things that had to be done.
If God did not consider Not paying tithe stealing, then He would have mentioned it, even Jesus would have mentioned it, but he said that the tithe is connected with Grace, mercy, judgment, and love. Having done those, and not left tithing undone.
Rom 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
The NT still teaches us that theft is wrong. It reminds me of Satan and Eve in the Garden, but this time Satan comes up to us and says, "Surely God did not say that not paying tithe is stealing, surely God said to keep your money."
Well, God did say it was stealing, and God never said it was not stealing. Just like Adultery, Is not committing Adultery putting us under the Law? Taking away our freedom of sleeping with whoever we want?
Lumping in Grace, Mercy, Judgment, Love We are supposed to under the 2 love commands display all these things in our life, and Jesus said tithe was not be left out.
I also see where God said to prove if he will not bless us. I myself like the blessing, and am extremely blessed.
For me, if God says something, then out of love and respect for what He said, I become a doer of the Word, I don't look for ways to get around it. Trying to get around what God said, causes Homosexuals to become preachers, it allows us to think that keeping that love, is sleeping with all the church members, to even preaching with poisonous snakes in our hands. Just count me out...........
Jesus Is Lord.
I understand your position. We do not want to start the practices of coming under the Law. I see a difference in ordinances and commandments. I have a big issue that God told us that he changes not, and that he considered not bring the tithe in stealing. I can't with a good conscience just decide God no longer knows what stealing is.
I also do not have a scripture that tells me that he does not consider not paying tithe stealing. To me stealing is a little different than keeping feast or other ritual things that had to be done.
If God did not consider Not paying tithe stealing, then He would have mentioned it, even Jesus would have mentioned it, but he said that the tithe is connected with Grace, mercy, judgment, and love. Having done those, and not left tithing undone.
Rom 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
The NT still teaches us that theft is wrong. It reminds me of Satan and Eve in the Garden, but this time Satan comes up to us and says, "Surely God did not say that not paying tithe is stealing, surely God said to keep your money."
Well, God did say it was stealing, and God never said it was not stealing. Just like Adultery, Is not committing Adultery putting us under the Law? Taking away our freedom of sleeping with whoever we want?
Lumping in Grace, Mercy, Judgment, Love We are supposed to under the 2 love commands display all these things in our life, and Jesus said tithe was not be left out.
I also see where God said to prove if he will not bless us. I myself like the blessing, and am extremely blessed.
For me, if God says something, then out of love and respect for what He said, I become a doer of the Word, I don't look for ways to get around it. Trying to get around what God said, causes Homosexuals to become preachers, it allows us to think that keeping that love, is sleeping with all the church members, to even preaching with poisonous snakes in our hands. Just count me out...........
Jesus Is Lord.
revdw76
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As for me I consider titing as giving to God what you have, be it money, time, talent, etc. Me I am very cash strapped and in the last 6 months I have not given monetarily to the church I attend because after I pay bills and buy medicine and groceries and fill up the gas tank of my truck, my monthly disability check is usually spent by the 3rd of the month. BUT I do serve the church in any way I can from serving as teacher, worship leader, lay leader and ocasionally as fill in pastor(the only thing I do get paid for of which I do give 10% back the following Sunday). As for my church website I do not ask for or receive money to support it. I pay the 19.95/mo. out of my money, (ie. one of my bills). So I consider this as tithing just as mentioned in the old and new testaments. As stated by both God and Jesus to give of everything you have to the Lord from the widow's two mites to the first fruits of your field or flock. From the sale of land to using you last omer of flour to feed the priest who is under your roof.
that being said what does get me is this. the Methodists general conference has told us that besides our 10% we give now about 2 years ago they told us we need to give anothe 2% on top of that to the conference. The one exemption made by the state conference was that this applies only to the general fund of the local church. So with that in mind, our church has in two years paid all but about $29,000.00 of a $180,000.00, 20 year loan for the new fellowship hall/community emergency shelter next door to the church by donating to the building fund instead o the general fund.
I also believe tithing like prayer is something best done in private/anonuomusly. I don't believe in giving by check so it will be recorded that I gave x amount of dollars or to recieve a tax deduction.
Just my .02 cents
Rev Dw
that being said what does get me is this. the Methodists general conference has told us that besides our 10% we give now about 2 years ago they told us we need to give anothe 2% on top of that to the conference. The one exemption made by the state conference was that this applies only to the general fund of the local church. So with that in mind, our church has in two years paid all but about $29,000.00 of a $180,000.00, 20 year loan for the new fellowship hall/community emergency shelter next door to the church by donating to the building fund instead o the general fund.
I also believe tithing like prayer is something best done in private/anonuomusly. I don't believe in giving by check so it will be recorded that I gave x amount of dollars or to recieve a tax deduction.
Just my .02 cents
Rev Dw
rev dw embry
Hag 1:4 Is it time for you, O ye, to dwell in your cieled houses, and this house lie waste?
Hag 1:5 Now therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways.
Hag 1:6 Ye have sown much, and bring in little; ye eat, but ye have not enough; ye drink, but ye are not filled with drink; ye clothe you, but there is none warm; and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes.
Hag 1:7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways.
Hag 1:8 Go up to the mountain, and bring wood, and build the house; and I will take pleasure in it, and I will be glorified, saith the LORD.
Hag 1:9 Ye looked for much, and, lo, it came to little; and when ye brought it home, I did blow upon it. Why? saith the LORD of hosts. Because of mine house that is waste, and ye run every man unto his own house.
Hag 1:10 Therefore the heaven over you is stayed from dew, and the earth is stayed from her fruit.
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Not speaking of tithe (10% of money coming in) I see that you needs are first. When you get money, God is not your first thought, but what you need is first. Money is a great test to see what is first in your life. God's things or your things. Putting your things first did not work for those in Haggie and it sure won't work out to your best interest now.
Putting the Kingdom of God first, is letting go what is most important to you. Right now, it looks like Money is more important to you. God promised that everything else will be added to you.
When money comes in, Our children are not considered first, our bills are not considered first, God is first. What do you need Lord, this is what I have. I can't count the times we have sown to others by the direction of the Lord, and had no money left for bills. Not one time has the Lord not come though, and all bills paid. Not once. This is a trust issue. We are not in that position anymore, and able to sow more and more.
Just recently we sowed our brand new 800 dollar bed to someone that had no bed, we also sowed 1,000 to someone, and that money was set aside for a power bill, and rent. Someone else came in and paid that for us, and we found money we did not even know we had. God has to be first though.
Unless your a major giver, You will never have to be concerned with any tax deductions. The amount you give is tracked by the church so that they have records in case they are scrutinized. In this day and age, it is for their protection, and if your entitled to any tax deduction (Thousands of dollars given) then take advantage of it, because that is money the Government is giving back for God. That is good seed for our Government.
Jesus Is Lord.
Hag 1:4 Is it time for you, O ye, to dwell in your cieled houses, and this house lie waste?
Hag 1:5 Now therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways.
Hag 1:6 Ye have sown much, and bring in little; ye eat, but ye have not enough; ye drink, but ye are not filled with drink; ye clothe you, but there is none warm; and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes.
Hag 1:7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways.
Hag 1:8 Go up to the mountain, and bring wood, and build the house; and I will take pleasure in it, and I will be glorified, saith the LORD.
Hag 1:9 Ye looked for much, and, lo, it came to little; and when ye brought it home, I did blow upon it. Why? saith the LORD of hosts. Because of mine house that is waste, and ye run every man unto his own house.
Hag 1:10 Therefore the heaven over you is stayed from dew, and the earth is stayed from her fruit.
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek
for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Not speaking of tithe (10% of money coming in) I see that you needs are first. When you get money, God is not your first thought, but what you need is first. Money is a great test to see what is first in your life. God's things or your things. Putting your things first did not work for those in Haggie and it sure won't work out to your best interest now.
Putting the Kingdom of God first, is letting go what is most important to you. Right now, it looks like Money is more important to you. God promised that everything else will be added to you.
When money comes in, Our children are not considered first, our bills are not considered first, God is first. What do you need Lord, this is what I have. I can't count the times we have sown to others by the direction of the Lord, and had no money left for bills. Not one time has the Lord not come though, and all bills paid. Not once. This is a trust issue. We are not in that position anymore, and able to sow more and more.
Just recently we sowed our brand new 800 dollar bed to someone that had no bed, we also sowed 1,000 to someone, and that money was set aside for a power bill, and rent. Someone else came in and paid that for us, and we found money we did not even know we had. God has to be first though.
Unless your a major giver, You will never have to be concerned with any tax deductions. The amount you give is tracked by the church so that they have records in case they are scrutinized. In this day and age, it is for their protection, and if your entitled to any tax deduction (Thousands of dollars given) then take advantage of it, because that is money the Government is giving back for God. That is good seed for our Government.
Jesus Is Lord.
Where is Paul's injunction on the matter? If I were a Jew, and the Levites were operating properly, then Malachi 3 has your support, somewhat. If it was based upon Abrahams' actions, then I guess I would have to find a King to vanquish and take his stuff so I could give a ten percent portion of the "spoils"to Melchizedek out of the booty I took. But this [I say], He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a
cheerful giver 2C 9:6-7
Divide the word, divide, divide....
fivesense
01CobraVortech
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So do we base tithe on gross salary or after tax? And do my casino winnings have to follow the same rules? :lol:
revdw76
New Member
rev dw embry
Hag 1:4 Is it time for you, O ye, to dwell in your cieled houses, and this house lie waste?
Hag 1:5 Now therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways.
Hag 1:6 Ye have sown much, and bring in little; ye eat, but ye have not enough; ye drink, but ye are not filled with drink; ye clothe you, but there is none warm; and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes.
Hag 1:7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways.
Hag 1:8 Go up to the mountain, and bring wood, and build the house; and I will take pleasure in it, and I will be glorified, saith the LORD.
Hag 1:9 Ye looked for much, and, lo, it came to little; and when ye brought it home, I did blow upon it. Why? saith the LORD of hosts. Because of mine house that is waste, and ye run every man unto his own house.
Hag 1:10 Therefore the heaven over you is stayed from dew, and the earth is stayed from her fruit.
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seekfor your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Not speaking of tithe (10% of money coming in) I see that you needs are first. When you get money, God is not your first thought, but what you need is first. Money is a great test to see what is first in your life. God's things or your things. Putting your things first did not work for those in Haggie and it sure won't work out to your best interest now.
Putting the Kingdom of God first, is letting go what is most important to you. Right now, it looks like Money is more important to you. God promised that everything else will be added to you.
When money comes in, Our children are not considered first, our bills are not considered first, God is first. What do you need Lord, this is what I have. I can't count the times we have sown to others by the direction of the Lord, and had no money left for bills. Not one time has the Lord not come though, and all bills paid. Not once. This is a trust issue. We are not in that position anymore, and able to sow more and more.
Just recently we sowed our brand new 800 dollar bed to someone that had no bed, we also sowed 1,000 to someone, and that money was set aside for a power bill, and rent. Someone else came in and paid that for us, and we found money we did not even know we had. God has to be first though.
Unless your a major giver, You will never have to be concerned with any tax deductions. The amount you give is tracked by the church so that they have records in case they are scrutinized. In this day and age, it is for their protection, and if your entitled to any tax deduction (Thousands of dollars given) then take advantage of it, because that is money the Government is giving back for God. That is good seed for our Government.
Jesus Is Lord.
Brother Mike;
God is first. He is the first one I consult each month. He has told us to be dilligent in honoring our obligations to others. To pay to Ceaser what is Ceasars and to Him what is His. Jesus was not just talking about money in this statement. He was talking about be honorable,truthful and faithful in all we do and that includes our obligations. As far as gas and groceries, well groceries sustain us to give us power to do His work. And gas, without it I would not be able to go and fulfill my obligations for and to God. Living in a rural area I need a source of tranport to go to do my church funtions and hospice work etc. relying on anyone else but God to provide has proven very unfruitful. I know it sounds harse but it is unfortunately true.
What I did not tell anybody yesterday was the real reason I have not given monetarily in the last 6 months, Our mother died Nov. 7 of last year from a nearly 3 year battle with cancer. My brother took money he was going to use to pay his bills to pay for her funeral costs(nearly 3,000 dollars). I picked up his slack. This plus the loss of her social security benefits (about 700 per month) made it impossible to give money to the church. BUT, it did not stop me from giving of my time and talents to the church WHICH is just as important evenmore so this day and age, but was also important in Jesus' day.
Jesus and God have blessed my decisions, they understand and accept my tithe and offering I give. God asks for and require different things from different people, you has been blessed from your giving ways and I have been blessed by mine.
So do we base tithe on gross salary or after tax? And do my casino winnings have to follow the same rules?
We tithe on whatever we earn produce or receive/ Be it money, what we produce, or what we do with our time. one tenth belongs to God.
A Death in the Family is not always easy, but I am sure your Mother knew Jesus, and we can rejoice with her. You will see her soon enough as time is short on Earth compared to eternity.
I think our views are different as you mentioned you go to a Methodist Church. We are taught that money is just a tool like any other things on earth. (Not sure if a brand new Sun Tracker Boat is a tool though.) Where you see a little amount of money coming in as being hard to give, I see it as a opportunity for blessing. A tenth off 5.00 is the same as a tenth off a million dollars. When I get any money, I just set a 10% aside, then look at what needs paid. I don't even consider that 10% as mine.
Most Churches Teach to trust God, but it's a little different looking at a pile of bills and saying "I call everyone of you bills paid." I never speak poverty, and never speak lack of any good thing. I never say I can't afford something, because I know someone that can. Even when gas prices went up last summer, I grumbled about it, and made a comment that we all will soon be on Bicycles. The Lord Spoke to me, and ask me. "If your faith in me is not strong enough to buy gas to get around, then how can you believe me for anything greater?"
You can determine where your faith is at, by what comes out of your mouth. Out of what is abundant in your heart is what we speak, and Jesus said you have what you say.
It's a tenth off gross, just like the Government does, and yes, that includes casino winnings.
Jesus Is Lord
"It's a tenth off gross, just like the Government does..."
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Foreigner
Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
As you already know, a tithe is a tenth of what you have in first fruits. The Government takes a certain percent before we even get our check based on the Gross.
The scripture tells us that the tithe is Holy unto the Lord. That means God esteems the tithe (Not according to some, as God changed his mind mysteriously.)
Jesus said render unto Caesar what is Caesar and unto God what is God's. It sort of goes with this Lev scripture. God is more important than the Government, so God also gets His tithe based on the gross.
For me, Tithe is not about money. It is only ten percent off what comes in. So, it's no big deal. For me it's about faithfulness, and putting God first in something people prize most, and that is money. I never want money to come between me and God, and if you read some of these post, you hear comments about people that claim they can't afford to tithe. That tells you God is not first, but money is first in their lives. The tithe is just a small thing compared to extra giving and offering, but it is showing that God is first.
That is the where I got my statement about 10 percent off gross.
Jesus Is Lord.
Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
As you already know, a tithe is a tenth of what you have in first fruits. The Government takes a certain percent before we even get our check based on the Gross.
The scripture tells us that the tithe is Holy unto the Lord. That means God esteems the tithe (Not according to some, as God changed his mind mysteriously.)
Jesus said render unto Caesar what is Caesar and unto God what is God's. It sort of goes with this Lev scripture. God is more important than the Government, so God also gets His tithe based on the gross.
For me, Tithe is not about money. It is only ten percent off what comes in. So, it's no big deal. For me it's about faithfulness, and putting God first in something people prize most, and that is money. I never want money to come between me and God, and if you read some of these post, you hear comments about people that claim they can't afford to tithe. That tells you God is not first, but money is first in their lives. The tithe is just a small thing compared to extra giving and offering, but it is showing that God is first.
That is the where I got my statement about 10 percent off gross.
Jesus Is Lord.
revdw76
New Member
Uhh Mike..I think we are actually on the same page. I also explained to my Sunday School Class yesterday after I finished teaching about my situation and they accepted what I said and understood this theory. My class is composed of the Pastor, Treasurer and other Elders of the congregation.
DW
P.S. From the way things look I will be able to start giving to the church monetarily again next month. btw
Seems that it would be easier to put God first with just 10% under the old covenant practice than to be led by HolySpirit in the new covenant way of living.
rev dw embry
Praise God Brother, Giving regularly?? God come first and God is good.
Keep in Mind to obey the rest of the scripture, which many do not consider.
What a mans sows, He must also reap!!!
You have to put faith in to getting blessed with abundance because of your giving. I don't know how many times I have heard Christians say that "I just give to God, I don't expect anything back." That is disobedience to the Word, and Pride. Each seed produces after it's own kind and if you sow money, then that multiplies and reproduces money. It's God's system of doing things.
Give and it shall be given, in good measure.
The Worlds system says Take and Horde what I have, get it any way I can. We make our living not by our Job, but by our giving.
Be blessed!!!!
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JiggyFly?
How did I miss a post by you concerning tithing?
How is it that Your Holy Ghost, Leads you to buy cool things with your tithe, and give when directed, When My Holy Ghost tells me to tithe??
We serve a Amazing God don't we?
You know............
Jesus Is Lord.
Praise God Brother, Giving regularly?? God come first and God is good.
Keep in Mind to obey the rest of the scripture, which many do not consider.
What a mans sows, He must also reap!!!
You have to put faith in to getting blessed with abundance because of your giving. I don't know how many times I have heard Christians say that "I just give to God, I don't expect anything back." That is disobedience to the Word, and Pride. Each seed produces after it's own kind and if you sow money, then that multiplies and reproduces money. It's God's system of doing things.
Give and it shall be given, in good measure.
The Worlds system says Take and Horde what I have, get it any way I can. We make our living not by our Job, but by our giving.
Be blessed!!!!
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JiggyFly?
How did I miss a post by you concerning tithing?
How is it that Your Holy Ghost, Leads you to buy cool things with your tithe, and give when directed, When My Holy Ghost tells me to tithe??
We serve a Amazing God don't we?
You know............
Jesus Is Lord.
let me ask a hyperthetical question.
if i give you $20.00 for your birthday or you sell unwanted garage items in a yard sale for $50.00 or find a wallet with $10.00 in it with no id, are you gonna pay tithes on it?
if i give you $20.00 for your birthday or you sell unwanted garage items in a yard sale for $50.00 or find a wallet with $10.00 in it with no id, are you gonna pay tithes on it?
Yes............ Though we are told "OUR" first fruits............... Some would say it's what 'YOU" earned, not gifts or what you found.
I say God is my provider and everything I get, is subject to a tenth.
Thank you for Asking Sniper.
Jesus Is Lord.
I say God is my provider and everything I get, is subject to a tenth.
Thank you for Asking Sniper.
Jesus Is Lord.
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