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Davy

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It can’t be the church founded by Christ? The mystical body of Christ?

Of course not! And someone who can't understand why might want to quit listening to men's doctrines and instead get into their Bible more.

Even the theory of a pope being the Antichrist will not corrupt the spiritual temple which Christ Jesus is the Cornerstone of! It is impossible, because the spiritual temple is made up of God's Spirit. Those who have succumbed to the doctrine that it can be corrupted, by anything, show they don't know The One Whom they have believed in.

In other words, if the spiritual temple could be corrupted, it would mean that The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit could be corrupted. And that is impossible. That's how stupid that doctrine of man is with trying to say the "man of sin" could corrupt the spiritual temple. Anyone trying to corrupt it would simply be 'cut off'. This is why the proper interpretation of "the temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 has to mean another stone temple in Jerusalem for the end.
 
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1 Corinthians 3:9-17 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. [10] According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. [11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. [16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [17] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

‘if any man defile the temple of God’ which temple you are ...what does that mean to you then?

So you actually think the spiritual temple of God can be corrupted???

Then you don't believe in the same God that I do, because I well know that the foundation in Christ per Ephesians 2 can NEVER be corrupted, not by any man, not by Satan, not by anything. If the believers falls away from THAT foundation, they are simply 'cut off' from it.

So you might try to comprehend those 1 Corinthians 3 verses more carefully, and not think just because the phrase "temple of God" is there in the KJV that it means the same thing as the "temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
 

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Moreover...

The "man of sin" event in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 that's to occur prior to Christ's coming and gathering of His Church, is about the same false-Christ that Jesus warned us of in His Olivet discourse about the tribulation timing...

Matt 24:21-26
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Daniel 12:1-2 helps reveal what timing that tribulation is, as it is just prior to the resurrection of the dead at the end of this world.


22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Jesus shortened the time of that future tribulation, from 1260 days to.... you find that out, do your own homework in God's Word.


23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.


That is the connection to the "man of sin" in 2 Thessalonians 2. Jesus was upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples when they asked Him when these things would be, and what would be the Sign of His coming, and the end of the world. So Jesus specifically warned of a false one to come to Jerusalem, where He was pointing to, and will play God in Jerusalem and fulfill the "abomination of desolation" idol in a temple in Jerusalem. Of the orthodox Jews don't like this idea, because they are preparing the next temple for the Messiah they think will be the true Messiah, but he will be an imposter like Jesus showed here in Matthew 24.


24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The KJV phrase "false Christs" should follow the tense of the previous verse. This phrase is pseudochristos in the Greek, made up of pseudo which means false, and christos which means Christ, singular. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated it as "a spurious Messiah", in the singular tense (Strong's no.5580).


That is the "man of sin" Paul was warning about in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, coming to sit in a rebuilt stone temple in Jerusalem for the tribulation at the end of this world. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 warns about that false one working those great signs and wonders also. So it's not difficult to understand that God's Word shows that will take place in Jerusalem, and not in the Vatican in Rome.

25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.

KJV

The subject is still about a particular pseudo-Christ others will say is Messiah. Our Lord Jesus warned to NOT believe it. And He gave that warning twice, which always means He was emphasizing that point.

Thus trying to debate just about the single phrase "the temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, with the false idea that it means the spiritual temple, is just a ploy by Satan's host to get the Christian off its hard link to the coming pseudo-Christ Jesus warned us about in His Olivet discourse. That is obviously what Apostle Paul was really talking about, since Jesus had already warned them about that false one coming to Jerusalem. They also had the Book of Daniel which Jesus quoted about that false one coming to Jerusalem to work the "abomination of desolation" of the Book of Daniel for the end.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 is not the only hard-link to the building of another stone temple of God in Jerusalem for the end. The Revelation 11:1-2 Scripture occurs on the 6th trumpet - 2nd Woe period, which is the period just prior to the day of Christ's 2nd coming and end of this world. Shown there are the Jews worshiping in it, and the outer court is left for the Gentiles, and the Gentles will tread the the holy city (Jerusalem) for 42 months, the same timing that the "dragon" of Rev.13 will have power, and is the same latter 1260 days of the Daniel prophecy for the end.

So really, there are much, much more weightier examples of WHY... the "temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is about the coming spurious Messiah, and the existence of that Revelation 11 temple in Jerusalem for the end, than just arguing over some little ole' doctrine of man that ignorantly thinks it means the spiritual temple of Christ.
 

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The Jews, excepting for a small remnant of Christian Jewish people, will all be gone after the soon to happen Lord's Day of fiery wrath. Ezekiel 21:1-8, Romans 9:27, +

Not what Ezekiel 44 shows.

Nor is it what Revelation 22:14-15 shows.
 

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So you might try to comprehend those 1 Corinthians 3 verses more carefully, and not think just because the phrase "temple of God" is there in the KJV that it means the same thing as the "temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

1 Corinthians 3:17 Lexicon: If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
Do see it is worded different in other translations but do not see how you say they do not relate. The NIV (imo) helps. 1 Corinthians 3:17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

A people. A body. ‘You are Together that Temple’ The Temple of God. Build up and growing up in Christ, till you come to the full measure of Christ, a perfect man ‘you together as One body’, gifts of the Holy Spirit set within ‘you are Together the Holy Temple of God’, for edifying one another, strengthening one another, renewing and restoration by the ministration of the Spirit.

‘You are together that Temple’ which Temple you are, joined, fitted together ...how can it be defiled? One way that comes to mind is ‘not discerning the Lord’s body’, for when you all come together it is minister to one another. but instead one takes his supper before another; one going away hungry and another drunk.

Consider the man that was among them and they were glorying in the flesh. 1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out that old leaven

You see no way one can stand in the midst of the body, and defile ‘You Together that are the Temple of God ’ and how there can be ‘who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God’ 2 Thessalonians 2:4

But countless verses say anti-christ were already coming in unawares.

Hebrews 12:14-15 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: [15] Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

returning to: Corinthians 3:17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

for God’s Temple is sacred —His body—and you together are that Temple. ‘Then shalt thou call, and the Lord shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away (remove)from the midst of thee (you together are that Temple).the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;’ Isaiah 58:9


Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

the body of Christ is the Temple of God.
 
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Is it the body of Christ?
Being Canadian, I like being nice. I like people being nice to me. Instead of beating each other over the head with "The bibles says...," I'd prefer something along the lines of, "I believe scripture says...."
But what you said is what I think. I can't say I'm sure enough to believe it, but it is a theory of mine. What else could it be? A physical temple? Why would God describe a temple that shoves Jesus' death and resurrection back into His face? Why would He timeshare with the enemy? Shalom.
 
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It can’t be the church founded by Christ? The mystical body of Christ?

There is nothing mystical about the 3rd Temple. It is a building of stone to be built in Jerusalem, with all the materials and measurements laid out the Book of Ezekiel starting at chapter 40.

Earlier in the Book, is given the qualifications for the Levites who will serve in the Temple.
 

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Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

It's interesting that Isaiah (and Micah) wrote not that the *temple* would be exalted in the last days, but that the *mountain upon which the temple had stood* would be exalted in the last days! This is the place where Christ supplanted the temple, and fulfilled the Law in his own righteousness.

The Law pointed forward to the righteousness of Christ, and not to its own righteousness apart from Christ. What will be exalted in these last days is the righteousness of Christ, which began to be exalted when Christ proclaimed the destruction of the temple and his place as the exclusive means of eternal life--not the system of the Law.
 
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It is a building of stone to be built in Jerusalem

“It is a building of stone to be built in Jerusalem” And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Revelation 21:22

Revelation 21:22 Lexicon: I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

It is a building of stone, the Temple of God is a building of stone....really? “A Living Stone” “I saw no temple for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are the Temple”

it is a building of stone to be built over in Jerusalem although says 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. [2] For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed (with the New Man)upon with our house which is from heaven:

What say you then is the tabernacle spoken of in ‘we know if our earthly house of this ‘tabernacle were dissolved’ we groan to be clothed with our tabernacle/house/Temple made without hands which God Almighty and the Lamb is...‘which is from heaven’ ...are you saying instead we groan for a building/house/temple/tabernacle to be built on earth of stone?
 
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Did Christ fulfill all of the old covenant and old law and Old Testament?
 

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There is no biblical “third temple” you only assume it’s the third temple, the words “third temple” are not in the Bible

but if the second temple was in existence and Christ declares His body to be the temple it must be the third temple!

they say we are in the “end times” or “last days” so what we have been so for 2000 years

you make a big deal out of nothing!

the truth shall make you free! So false doctrine and error enslave you!
 
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There is nothing mystical about the 3rd Temple. It is a building of stone to be built in Jerusalem ...

You mean the 4th Temple. We already have the 3rd Temple, -- the Temple of the Holy Spirit, which is each and every Christian.

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1 Corinthians 3:17 Lexicon: If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
Do see it is worded different in other translations but do not see how you say they do not relate. The NIV (imo) helps. 1 Corinthians 3:17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

A people. A body. ‘You are Together that Temple’ The Temple of God. Build up and growing up in Christ, till you come to the full measure of Christ, a perfect man ‘you together as One body’, gifts of the Holy Spirit set within ‘you are Together the Holy Temple of God’, for edifying one another, strengthening one another, renewing and restoration by the ministration of the Spirit.

‘You are together that Temple’ which Temple you are, joined, fitted together ...how can it be defiled? One way that comes to mind is ‘not discerning the Lord’s body’, for when you all come together it is minister to one another. but instead one takes his supper before another; one going away hungry and another drunk.

Consider the man that was among them and they were glorying in the flesh. 1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out that old leaven

You see no way one can stand in the midst of the body, and defile ‘You Together that are the Temple of God ’ and how there can be ‘who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God’ 2 Thessalonians 2:4

But countless verses say anti-christ were already coming in unawares.

Hebrews 12:14-15 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: [15] Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

returning to: Corinthians 3:17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

for God’s Temple is sacred —His body—and you together are that Temple. ‘Then shalt thou call, and the Lord shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away (remove)from the midst of thee (you together are that Temple).the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;’ Isaiah 58:9


Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

the body of Christ is the Temple of God.

I don't know where you're getting all that line of thinking, but it's simply not related to the "man of sin" sitting in a stone temple in Jerusalem in the near future that Apostle Paul calls the "temple of God". To the orthodox Jews, the next temple they will help build they consider will be the temple of God, even though they are deceived about the "man of sin" that is coming to sit in it and play Messiah.

It sounds like some man has told you that the meaning of the word 'antichrist' by Apostle John always means many antichrists, i.e., many fakes that have come throughout history trying to play Christ, or even a pope. No, in 1 John 2:18, John mentioned both a singular antichrist that they heard shall come, and then he mentioned about the 'many antichrists' that were already at work. That's 2 antichrist concepts, not 1.

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

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That antichrist in red is about a singular false one, not many.

Notice John says they already had heard that singular antichrist shall come. Where did they first hear about that? From our Lord Jesus here:

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.

KJV

The real Antichrist that is to come is the devil himself, not some pope, nor many trying to play Christ. The "many antichrists" represents Satan's workers on earth that have been here already at work, which is about the "workers of iniquity" of the Old Testament, the "tares" of the parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13, the crept in unawares of Jude 1, Paul's "mystery of iniquity" in 2 Thess. 2.
 
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Did the daily sacrifice cease?

did an army surround Jerusalem?
Lk 21:20
 

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Did the daily sacrifice cease?

did an army surround Jerusalem?
Lk 21:20

Did Messiah come to sit upon David's throne on earth?

Were ALL the earth's wicked then subdued by Christ's 2nd coming in that time?

Was Christ's Church gathered to Him then?
 

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Did Messiah come to sit upon David's throne on earth?

yes

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

the church replaced Israel
Matt 21:43
The successors of Moses Matt 23 have the authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose and that authority is taken from them and given to the church in Peter, the apostles, and their successors matt 16:18 and Jesus says they are to be obeyed
 

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Did Messiah come to sit upon David's throne on earth?

yes

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

You're dreaming. Jesus has not come to sit upon David's throne yet, for David's throne is an earthly throne. At present Jesus is sitting on the right hand of The Father's throne. Matthew 25 shows when Jesus comes to take His earthly throne, He will judge the nations.

Moreover, the ten lost tribes of Israel along with the faithful among the Jews will be gathered by Jesus when He returns, which is another one of the Signs of His 2nd coming as written, which of course has not happened yet today.

the church replaced Israel
Matt 21:43
The successors of Moses Matt 23 have the authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose and that authority is taken from them and given to the church in Peter, the apostles, and their successors matt 16:18 and Jesus says they are to be obeyed

Christ's Church represents God's Israel, not a replacement for Israel. There are literal bloodline Israelites still, and there are spiritual Israelites from having accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour. To be counted as God's Israel, one must believe on Him through His Son Jesus Christ, regardless of birth (Romans 9). The name Israel means 'those who prevail with God's help'.

There are no more 'apostles' sent by Jesus living today.
Any man who today who tries to play the role of apostle is an antichrist.
 
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