BARNEY BRIGHT
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What anyone thinks about the NWT is not of any interest to me. I don't allow anyone to dictate to me What Bible I use by bad mouthing my choice of what Bibles I use.
Shall we discuss this?
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What anyone thinks about the NWT is not of any interest to me. I don't allow anyone to dictate to me What Bible I use by bad mouthing my choice of what Bibles I use.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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Sorry truther that was a misprint I meant to say, "I've never notice that."
BARNEY BRIGHT
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When the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy, he answered: “Do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?” (John 10:36) Jesus did not say that he was ‘God the Son’ but that he was “God’s Son," was Jesus lying or wrong when he said he was, "God's Son?"
When Jesus died, even the Roman soldiers standing by knew that Jesus was not God: “The army officer and those with him watching over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things happening, grew very much afraid, saying: ‘Certainly this was God’s Son.’” (Matthew 27:54) They did not say, ‘this was God’ or ‘this was God the Son,’ because Jesus and his disciples taught that Jesus was the Son of God, not God Almighty in human form.
God himself testified that Jesus was his beloved Son, as the Bible writer Matthew noted when Jesus was baptized. (Matthew 3:17) Other Bible writers noted the same. Mark wrote: “A voice came out of the heavens: ‘You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.’” (Mark 1:11) Luke said: “A voice came out of heaven: ‘You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.’” (Luke 3:22) And John the Baptizer, who baptized Jesus, testified: “I have borne witness that this one [Jesus] is the Son of God.” (John 1:34) So God himself, all four Gospel writers, and John the Baptizer clearly state that Jesus was the Son of God. And some time later, at the transfiguration of Jesus, a similar thing happened: “A voice [God’s] came out of the cloud, saying: ‘This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him.’”—Luke 9:35.
In these accounts, was God saying that he was his own son, that he sent himself, and that he approved himself? No, God the Father, the Creator, was saying that he had sent his Son Jesus, a separate individual, to do God’s work. Hence, throughout the Greek Scriptures the phrase “Son of God” is used to refer to Jesus. But not once do we see the phrase ‘God the Son,’ for Jesus was not almighty God. He was the Son of God. They are two different persons, and no theological “mystery” can change that truth.
ONLY God is "equal with God".
John 5:18 (NKJV)
18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
I agree. However, you have cross threaded my response. I was responding to post #1009 whereby someone used the term "Jesus (God the Son)" and I showed via word search that it does NOT exist in the word of God (just as you have done to me here).
God Bless!
They don't care because they have been taught that God became a sperm cell that mated with a human being's egg cell(God became human).
It is hard for them to see anything else but a HUMBLE God DEvolving into a human.
However, Rev 3:12 etc., debunks them, and they know it deep down inside.
Why don't you just write your own personal bible?
Jeremiah 17:10 (NKJV)
10 I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.
Revelation 2:18-23 (NKJV)
18 'These things says the Son of God, … 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
Jesus is God!
BARNEY BRIGHT
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It was the Jews who were saying that Jesus had broken the Sabbath and was making himself equal with God. So it's these Jews you believe. You're saying the Jews were right in that Jesus had broken the Sabbath. I myself don't agree with the Jews, Jesus hadn't broken the Sabbath and he wasn't trying to make himself equal with God just because these Jews believed that.
You're doing the JW Twist Barney. It was John who said Jesus made Himself equal with God. And it was John who said "The Word was God". And it was John who said Jesus was there in the beginning. Not the Jews!
Even the JW's own Bible declares Jesus to be God and Hell fire eternal!
John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God."
Matt 28 ... baptizing them in the NAME (Singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Matt 25 you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.
Rev 20 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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Actually that's not true. The account reads that John is saying what the Jews were thinking and accusing Jesus of because Jesus said God was his Father. That is all Jesus said was that God was his Father. You're twisting what Jesus said just as the Jews did. Also to be accurate it was God who inspired John to write what those Jews were saying and thinking about Jesus because Jesus said God was his Father.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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Ronald Nolette
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sorry but it is you in error.
"adown" is the singular of "adonai"
From a dictionary:
What is the meaning of Adonai?
Adonai is one of the names of God used in the Old Testament. In most English translations of the Bible it is translated as "Lord" with lower case letters, whereas the name YHWH (Yahweh) is written as "LORD" with all capital letters. Adonai is a form of the word adon, which comes from a root word meaning "to rule." So adon means "lord or master." Adon was used for governing authorities such as kings (Daniel 1:10). It was used for military commanders (2 Kings 5:1), teachers or mentors (2 Kings 6:5), and even oldest brothers (Genesis 32:4). Of course, it was also used for employers and owners of servants and slaves (Genesis 24:65).
Adonai is a form of adon that is both plural and possessive
Ronald Nolette
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Sorry you bothered to write all this. but a cursory look at Hebrew past a strongs which is a beginning tool shows Elohim is plural!
Ronald Nolette
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Well you personally should care about using Bibles that are as faithful to the original languages as possible, as the linguistic experts declare and publish!
There are many Bibles out there. Many are excellent and while not 100% accurate to the originals, they do no harm to doctrine. Then there are many that are so-so and then there are some that are downright bad and I dare say evil. The NWT is one of those evil Bibles! The anonymous non language experts who published teh NWT intentionally and deliberately added words that completely alter passages and the meaning of Scripture.
You're totally twisting it to fit your JW heresies. John said it. Get over it. John INSISTED that Jesus is God, not a false god that YOU proclaim.
I just quoted your NWT. Let's try it again.
John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God."
Matt 28 ... baptizing them in the NAME (Singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Matt 25 you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.
Rev 20 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
The father is in the son, therefore it is written the word became flesh. So in the son was god but the son is not god.
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